Why Homosexuality Should be Banned

[Snowy Rainbow]

I love arguements like this that are just taking the piss, but actually make good points while doing it.

Not gona lie though, when I clicked it I was think "What is this ignorante prick talking about?"

Sorry I hope the sarcasm served the point all the more.

That's one aspect of transgender that's completely alien to me - being the 'wrong gender'. Wanting to be a gender you're not seen as makes sense. But seeing yourself as the wrong gender is odd to me, as I've never seen myself as a gender. Not to say either of us is weird or wrong, mind.

It's hard for me to put into words the way I feel about myself ( the way I look & such ). To put it as simple as I can ( the thought that runs through my mind most ) is I just wanna be pretty not masculine. My mind just tells me I should be a girl and this casing is just not the true me. And your right neither of us are wrong or weird it's just how we are wired.

I do have to say it sounds a bit to me that your pansexual at least a bit since you don't think of yourself as any gender.

But then again what do I know. They all seem to be just convenient labels anyway I guess.

Interesting. So very alien to me. I don't imagine it would be nice at all, so I'm glad you seem so happy despite your brain's messages. ^^

I don't think I'd call myself pansexual. If I had to describe my perfect partner, they would have the body of a female, the mind of a transgender female, and both genitals. So... yeah, I'm really damn weird XD

I've never liked gender roles. They helped us (humans) evolve and fight our way to the top of the food-chain, but in today's modern society they are completely outdated and need to be exiled from public consciousness.

"Gender role" is a very ambiguous term and could describe systems where men are dominant and women are submissive, where women are dominant and men are submissive, or where both genders are practically equal. Said system may or may not have a place for inter-gender people, as well.

I just dislike the idea of there being "men" and "women" in the traditional sense of the words. I want everyone to be completely equal and for there to be no default sex, gender or behavior for anyone.

But those are just my personal feelings.

 

[thetruefallen]

I liked the video but you need to read your thread titles back to yourself before you post them.

 

[Daveman]

The typical anti-gay argument you hear is, "homosexuality is a choice, therefore it's wrong." But, there's an obvious logical misstep here. Christianity, by definition, MUST BE A CHOICE. But, Christianity isn't "wrong" despite being a choice, so why is homosexuality?

This is where you get people trying to expand & say that homosexuality is a "lifestyle" choice, & therefore it's wrong, but we hit the same logical wall. Christianity is nothing if not a lifestyle, therefore being Christian is also a lifestyle choice & must therefore be "wrong."

Christians obviously do NOT think lifestyle choices are "wrong," otherwise they wouldn't've chosen to make a lifestyle choice and pursue a Christian lifestyle. So what is the real kernel of the homosexuality-as-choice argument?

If you really look at it, really, REALLY examine the homosexuality-as-choice idea, the argument must actually SUPPORT homosexuality.

Because Christianity is a lifestyle which you can only enter by choosing to do so (read up on baptism ;P), then organized religion is a lifestyle choice. This actually sets a wonderful legal precedent for homosexuality, as any "lifestyle choice" must also benefit from the same protections Christians receive.

I'm sorry, but that entire argument is just nonsensical. Nobody says "it's a choice, therefore it's wrong", because as you point out that is a stupid argument that leads nowhere. They say it's a choice, therefore you should pick the right decision which is heterosexuality just as they would say picking Christianity is the right decision. The argument should be based on "why is homosexuality the wrong decision?" After all the only negative effects of being gay are imposed by other people so arguably we should really be dealing with the dickheads who think they're better than other people when they're actually the lowest of the low because ultimately when they're done with gay people they'll just move on to someone else they deem inferior for arbitrary reasons. They're the real disease.

On a purely personal level, you get that "Who would choose to be gay?" thing. I HATE THIS. Because the argument begs the question "Who would choose to be gay (because being gay is a terrible thing)?" Aside from being a horrible, horrible idea filled with self-loathing & homophobia of the highest order, it's logically terrible. From start to finish, there's nothing redeeming about this argument.

Who would choose to be gay? I would. I did. BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING GAY.

I agree with you that there's obviously nothing wrong with being gay, but the argument is that gays are seriously persecuted in some parts of the world, to the point that they could be killed for it, so who on earth would choose that when the risks are so great? Even in more civilised countries there is still bullying and hatred so, if it's such an easy thing as just choosing, then why would anyone choose to be gay? There's nothing inherently better about any sexuality but homosexuality comes with all that baggage that would make it undesirable.

 

[TheRealCJ]

Damn, you got my angry fingers all readied up for nothing.

Mwa, mwa, mwa. Sorry, ladies...

 

[somonels]

I think the point they were trying to get across is that people who accuse homosexuals of "flaunting" their homosexuality are actually accusing them of being open and honest about their sexuality, and that term does not apply in either homosexual or heterosexual cases.

So, are all who accuse homosexuals of disrespectful social behavior intolerant or homophobic?
Don't some homosexuals use intolerance and homophobia, or even the fear of accusal, as an excuse to act out[footnote]To express (unconscious impulses, for example) in an overt manner without conscious understanding or regard for social appropriateness.[/footnote]?
The term is very valid, people just don't read dictionaries anymore, using words they are only vaguely familiar.

 

[Snowy Rainbow]

I liked the video but you need to read your thread titles back to yourself before you post them.

The thread title is the title of the video - it's meant to further serve the satire.

 

[Baradiel]

...and both genitals. So... yeah, I'm really damn weird XD

Hermaphrodites should inherit the earth. The pinnacle of evolution, really. Starfish do pretty well, and they aren't ever fully Herms.

 

[AnkaraTheFallen]

Snip...

Thanks, I was hoping someone would know what book had that quote. I will definitely be looking into that book a bit more, seems to have a lot of funny quotes I could use.

Thanks ^.^


Edit: Quote failed, but it's fixed now.

 

[Snowy Rainbow]

Damn, you got my angry fingers all readied up for nothing.

Mwa, mwa, mwa. Sorry, ladies...

*kisses your fingers* Sorry about that ;P

 

[Thundero13]

There are a lot of these videos, all with pretty much the same points, also there is this really funny thing similiar but not the same as that made by a load of celebrities pro gay marriage, it had Lance Bass, Sarah Chalke, George Takei, i'll try and find it.
Ok heres the original video which is serious about banning gay marriage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp76ly2_NoI
and here's the HILARIOUS parody done by a load of celebrities
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnsG008ntYY

 

[Broken Boy]

Interesting. So very alien to me. I don't imagine it would be nice at all, so I'm glad you seem so happy despite your brain's messages. ^^

I don't think I'd call myself pansexual. If I had to describe my perfect partner, they would have the body of a female, the mind of a transgender female, and both genitals. So... yeah, I'm really damn weird XD

Well then we are both pretty damn weird then, you just described my perfect mate also. lol

 

[Vrex360]

I like this guy, he points out that most of the arguments against gays and gay marriage are all logical fallacies because those same rules don't apply to other people.

Pretty clever actually, using all the arguments people always use then sneaking in the blatant rebuttals that render it all moot, an effort of major social criticism with a political motivation at its heart, using humor as a means to mock and ridicule the group it opposes while actually making us think about it in relation to the broader political issue.

This, people at home, is satire.

Another great example is this 'Straya Day' video:

 

[Snowy Rainbow]

...and both genitals. So... yeah, I'm really damn weird XD

Hermaphrodites should inherit the earth. The pinnacle of evolution, really. Starfish do pretty well, and they aren't ever fully Herms.

Hermaphrodites are so extremely rare and are almost 100% of the time given surgery upon birth to "correct" the issue.

I won't even try to say that is wrong or to question the parent's choice. I've never been in that situation and I find it extremely understandable to want your baby to be normal and have the best chance at fitting in to society and feeling comfortable. But I do find it sad that gender roles and sexes are so important to us that this course of action is the "obvious" course of action.

 

[Baneat]

Keep the title. If someone doesn't read the OP he deserves to get the piss taken out of him for knee-jerking.

The problem I have is that they're all sound, a priori arguments. I don't get how people disagree with pure reason, and these sound arguments can only be repeated, because they're correct.

There are a lot of these videos, all with pretty much the same points, also there is this really funny thing similiar but not the same as that made by a load of celebrities pro gay marriage, it had Lance Bass, Sarah Chalke, George Takei, i'll try and find it.
Ok heres the original video which is serious about banning gay marriage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp76ly2_NoI
and here's the HILARIOUS parody done by a load of celebrities
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnsG008ntYY

It's called "It gets better" campaign, but a few of the people on it are clearly looking to further themselves and the message is a little odd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TiTWloRvjw

 

[Gamblerjoe]

If I'v never seen it, its new to me!

Based on the thread title, I thought it was going to be someone actually stating what they thought was wrong with homosexuality, or making a counterpoint. There are a lot of sarcastic titles on these forums, and most people here are liberal and tolerant, so this kind of thread is to be expected. I almost got a little excited to see some drama. (I kid, these forums entertain a lot of topics other forums do not, because of how much less drama intelligent tolerant people create.)

 

[Snowy Rainbow]

Interesting. So very alien to me. I don't imagine it would be nice at all, so I'm glad you seem so happy despite your brain's messages. ^^

I don't think I'd call myself pansexual. If I had to describe my perfect partner, they would have the body of a female, the mind of a transgender female, and both genitals. So... yeah, I'm really damn weird XD

Well then we are both pretty damn weird then, you just described my perfect mate also. lol

It might well be completely shallow of me, but I say both genitals because the female anatomy is gorgeous to look at and the male anatomy I find very yummy XD

On a personal level, my ideal mate would be as gender flexible as me. Roleplay is such a big part of my mind that finding someone who has as fluid of a sexual mentality as me would be amazing. I can literally jump from wanting to roleplay as a young girl to wanting to be the master in a BDSM relationship at the drop of a hate, lol. Oddly, cross-dressing and the like never enters into it; it's all mental. I think that's because so little of my roleplay is sexual, actually. Most of the time I just want to behave certain ways with others... More for me to ponder!

 

[Broken Boy]

...and both genitals. So... yeah, I'm really damn weird XD

Hermaphrodites should inherit the earth. The pinnacle of evolution, really. Starfish do pretty well, and they aren't ever fully Herms.

Hermaphrodites are so extremely rare and are almost 100% of the time given surgery upon birth to "correct" the issue.

I won't even try to say that is wrong or to question the parent's choice. I've never been in that situation and I find it extremely understandable to want your baby to be normal and have the best chance at fitting in to society and feeling comfortable. But I do find it sad that gender roles and sexes are so important to us that this course of action is the "obvious" course of action.

I didn't want to bring it up but since the subject has come up I have thought often about how wonderful it would have been if I was born that way. But I am sure my Parents would have gone with surgery sad to say.

 

[Baradiel]

...and both genitals. So... yeah, I'm really damn weird XD

Hermaphrodites should inherit the earth. The pinnacle of evolution, really. Starfish do pretty well, and they aren't ever fully Herms.

Hermaphrodites are so extremely rare and are almost 100% of the time given surgery upon birth to "correct" the issue.

I won't even try to say that is wrong or to question the parent's choice. I've never been in that situation and I find it extremely understandable to want your baby to be normal and have the best chance at fitting in to society and feeling comfortable. But I do find it sad that gender roles and sexes are so important to us that this course of action is the "obvious" course of action.

I know exactly what you mean. Hermaphrodites would just be "too weird" to survive in society. They'd end up on freakshows and such.

Evolution is fine and dandy until the current batch decide they're the best. Then, anything different is considered "wrong".

 

[conflictofinterests]

I think the point they were trying to get across is that people who accuse homosexuals of "flaunting" their homosexuality are actually accusing them of being open and honest about their sexuality, and that term does not apply in either homosexual or heterosexual cases.

So, are all who accuse homosexuals of disrespectful social behavior intolerant or homophobic?
Don't some homosexuals use intolerance and homophobia, or even the fear of accusal, as an excuse to act out[footnote]To express (unconscious impulses, for example) in an overt manner without conscious understanding or regard for social appropriateness.[/footnote]?
The term is very valid, people just don't read dictionaries anymore, using words they are only vaguely familiar.

I'm not excluding anything, I'm just trying to explain where the people you quoted were most likely coming from. The term may be valid, but is not applicable for the cases these people had in mind.

 

[Snowy Rainbow]

I entered with my troll mallet ready only to get smacked in the face with a load of sarcastic awesomeness.

BAM!

You're welcome. Glad you liked it