why is Origin= Bad...Steam =Good?

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NinjaDeathSlap

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As I'm not big on PC gaming I don't really know. However, I'd guess that it's less about Origin itself as a concept. It's good that Steam has competition, they really shouldn't just be allowed to corner the market in digital distribution like they have done. It's more about the way EA have behaved in regards to Origin. Insisting that every game they make is an Origin exclusive on the PC in order to force people to get it whether they like it or not, and trying to piss all over Valve's creation every chance they get. EA needs to learn that there's a difference between being competitive, and being petulant, because their attitude isn't doing them or their developers any favors at the moment.
 

tautologico

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I don't have problems with Origin, nor do I like it. I don't know, because I've never used it. I'd rather manage all my PC games in one place, so I'd like to stay with Steam only.

Unfortunately, I'm too much of a Mass Effect fan, so maybe I'll have to install it to play ME3. I would like to play DA2 but I probably won't get it as long as it's not on Steam (so yeah, EA lost a sale here). Basically there's no other EA game that I want to play other than ME3, so I'll probably play it and then uninstall Origin. Or get ME3 for PS3, still thinking about it. I'd rather play it on PC, but the slight inconvenience of having to install Origin just for one game changes the balance.
 

DoomyMcDoom

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I'll put it simply, origin, is unneeded in this world it was created in an attempt to compete with steam, now it does that in the stupidest ways. for instance origin sales charge you sales tax on top of their product price, which steam does not, I mean sure if you were ordering a physical copy or something that would make sense but it cost me $67 to buy the digital version of SWTOR off there, due to nearly $8 in tax, that's retarded, nothing changed hands, That is excessively expensive for the base level purchase of a game period, that is the price of the starcraft 2 deluxe edition before taxes... but the only reason I didn't refuse to buy that game through them(only way I could buy it without having to spend money to go to a store and back to buy it) is because it's like the only product they seem to sell through the origin store online which I don't hafta have their bs origin client running on my computer to play.

I mean this competition would be great y'know if it were competition, y'know with price wars and such, but it isn't, steam has REALLY GOOD PRICES and always will, origin has a sale now and again, on a small number of games, most of which you can get elsewhere anyway. Only a handfull of exclusives, and no products from any other company, just EA, Steam has games from valve, and pretty much everyone else, including a metric fuckton of indie games, and so many games under $5 that one could easily go years without spending more than $100 on games, and that's not even counting the ludicrously good sale prices on bundles, I mean when you take a game bundle which is already a sweet deal saving you a ton of money on all the games, and chop the price by 75% you are getting games that normally cost like $40 for like $3, it's crazy.

So yeah Origin is bad because of how much of a pathetic failure it is, it's yet another development by EA to try and compete in an arena in which their opponent is wielding a high tech arsenal with grenade launchers autotargeting railguns, and an impenetrable suit of armour, and EA comes along all cocky with it's tinfoil hat, and array of kitchen utensils and starts screaming and swearing at Valve taunting them... Valve can just ignore them and still win, this isn't a competition, this is a horrible failure that shouldn't have ever been conceived.

It's not even fun to watch, frankly it kinda hurts, like a dull pain behind my teeth, like watching a fight between a pitbull and a jack russel terrier puppy. Who the hell would even even try to encourage that?

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Phenakist

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Well, completely ignoring the fact it's EA and all that user agreement bolloks...

WHY, oh WHY, would I want to pay £20 for Mirrors Edge/Dead Space/Burnout Paradise and then have to spend a day downloading it, HAVE to be online while I'm playing them, when I can go down to ANY shop and get an infinitely more convenient used copy for around £5?

Versus Steam who do completely ridiculous deals, hell take Skyrim as an example, it was sitting on £24 in the Steam sale and it was out well, a MONTH (give or take a week).

*Extra Thought*
Why the hell do they charge SO much, they haven't needed to make a disc/box/little piece of paper with my 504 character registration code/soul capturing device/spyware/gps locator ANY of their usual stuff, all I'm doing is borrowing some bandwidth for a few hours? Put the price down to something REASONABLE, standard PC release price of £30 please.
 

ShindoL Shill

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I think its because of awful DRM and the fact that its only EA games. So that also means Valve has indie games from small devs.
 
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We don't trust EA with our privacy, Steam was hated much more than Origin, Origin is new and has a shitty library but they seem to working on that, it lacks many of the community features of Steam which also lacks features compared to Xfire. All in all it is Steam from a less trust worthy company but several years back.

I mean it doesn't even uninstall games. I had to manually uninstall and then reinstall BF3 after it did not install properly as it kept telling me I didn't have SP2 for XP. The customer service that I experienced while trying to remedy this was quite slow to come

So yeah it is Steam -1.
 

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Because if I can't log into Steam for whatever reason(I'm poor, there's a relatively good chance that my internet could be shut off), I can still play my games in offline mode. This is not true for Origin.
 

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kiri2tsubasa said:
Lagao said:
Steam = Constant updates, Constant Discounts (Daily/Mid-Week/Weekend), Friendly, and Fast customer service.
It took Steam nearly three days to respond to my email about resetting my password. After that it took another two days to actually work. Why is their no "I forgot my password" link to click on. Hell even Origin has that.
Considering it only works about 200 people on valve(IIRC) I think they responded to you pretty fast. And most peoples emails are quite frankly shitty protected so a "I forgot my password" button could go wrong quite fast.

Phenakist said:
*Extra Thought*
Why the hell do they charge SO much, they haven't needed to make a disc/box/little piece of paper with my 504 character registration code/soul capturing device/spyware/gps locator ANY of their usual stuff, all I'm doing is borrowing some bandwidth for a few hours? Put the price down to something REASONABLE, standard PC release price of £30 please.
Someone mentioned this in another thread, the reason why the digital copies cost the same(if not more) as the retailer copies ones are because for some reason developers are afraid to upset them and cause them to pull their game off the shelf.
 

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because 99% of people are valve fanboys, i have 3 times as many EA games as i do valve ones, and i like them more then valve, valve is overpraised, though bungie in my mind is the the overall best when it comes to fanbase developer.
 

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Many don't hate Origin and don't like Steam. It's just that those who do hate Origin are more vocal about it and attract more attention. It's not as bad as you think it is, especially if you believe EA's numbers about Origin.

Anyway, in my opinion, Origin isn't bad. I don't hate it. It's just not good enough for me to like it. It doesn't do anything better than Steam and Steam does a few things better. There's nothing that makes me want to use Origin besides some exclusive games but that's not enough for me. EA has to add a few features which Steam doesn't have, features which make gamers say things like "Wow, that's really neat and useful" and not "No, EA forces me to use Origin in order to play this game". That's the wrong approach.
Steam has been here for seven years, it has proven itself, many people like me have a ton of games on Steam and we don't like and won't change the distribution platform just because of a few games.
Valve pioneered in the digital distribution platform for games seven years ago. It was crap back then but they learned and got better. EA had seven years to study Valve and Steam and what do they do? They just make a mediocre copy. Like I said, it's not bad but I see no reason to use Origin over Steam.

Also, whether you like it or not, reputation plays a big part in this. Valve is a trusted and loved developer. EA has a very bad history of eating and destroying good gaming companies and game franchises. They have also done good things but for many gamers, the bad things overshadow the good things. You reap what you sow.
 

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RaNDM G said:
It's EA's way of monitoring their audience. Origin basically takes the information on your computer, operating system, and the hardware and software you have installed, and gives it to other companies for marketing. Current games that release on the PC require you to have an Origin account to play them. And you can't play games offline anymore, regardless of whether you own retail or digital.

If it were optional, I wouldn't have a problem with it. The fact that EA wants to make this permanent is what presses my buttons.
But that is exactly what steam does so why is origin a problem. As for the spyware thing once it all came out and they changed the terms of service it's not as bad as everyone makes out and even if they were finding out what operating system pc gamers are using most that could help them focus there efforts on optimising future games for the most popular OS
 

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Simple, there is no evidence that Valve are evil, there are spades of evidence that EA are evil.
There is evidence that Valve are pushing gaming forward as a medium, There is evidence that EA are strangling gaming and squeezing every last dollar of your cash monies out of the medium.
 

Dogstile

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Because of their terrible track record of banning people from the games they've purchased due to silly as hell reasons? Probably has something to do with it.

kiri2tsubasa said:
To break it down simply, this is the internet. You are required to hate EA and any/everything that they do. You are also supposed to love Steam unconditionally. However their are flaws with this thinkig. For example.

Lagao said:
Steam = Constant updates, Constant Discounts (Daily/Mid-Week/Weekend), Friendly, and Fast customer service.
It took Steam nearly three days to respond to my email about resetting my password. After that it took another two days to actually work. Why is their no "I forgot my password" link to click on. Hell even Origin has that.
... dude, they have one. I used it to reset my password.
 

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As of this writing, Origin crashed on me again and I can't play my games. It also keeps "forgetting" my password when I type it in correctly.

Origin gave me more issues and crashed in the 2 days I've had it than Steam in 4 years.
 

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Aris Khandr said:
As far as I can tell, it's because people are paranoid and predisposed to disliking EA. Yeah, Origin looks at your computer. They don't care about your porn. What they want to know is what kind of video card you have. Operating system. RAM. Gamepad plugged in? Joystick? What CPU? You know, the stuff that matters when they want to bring their next game to market. It's not nefarious, it's just nice to be able to say "60% of our PC customers have 4GB of RAM or more." It'll turn out games that can look as nice as possible, while still running on the most systems. But, of course, that answer is too easy. So people convince themselves that EA wants to know about their taste in porn, or their Facebook password or whatever. Because they already hate EA, so it is easier to scapegoat. When we had this discussion about six months ago, one person even insisted that EA should pay each of us for our system specs.
Read the EULA though, the thing was if they said plainly that they wanted that info for that reason then I would be okie with it. Instead they painted themselves a broad legal avenue and unlimited ability to do whatever they want with ANY data mined off your computer. They fix that one thing, that one thing. And maybe I would be able to buy ME3.

getoffmycloud said:
RaNDM G said:
It's EA's way of monitoring their audience. Origin basically takes the information on your computer, operating system, and the hardware and software you have installed, and gives it to other companies for marketing. Current games that release on the PC require you to have an Origin account to play them. And you can't play games offline anymore, regardless of whether you own retail or digital.

If it were optional, I wouldn't have a problem with it. The fact that EA wants to make this permanent is what presses my buttons.
But that is exactly what steam does so why is origin a problem. As for the spyware thing once it all came out and they changed the terms of service it's not as bad as everyone makes out and even if they were finding out what operating system pc gamers are using most that could help them focus there efforts on optimising future games for the most popular OS
Actually Steam has offline modes for their games you just have to right click on the game and tell your computer to download the files it needs to run it offline. Also the head of Valve has a dead man switch hard coded into steam so that if the service goes OOB or whatever you can still play your games after steam if long dead. :D Awesome.
 

JasonKaotic

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Because Origin has you give complete access of your files to EA in order to play it's games, whereas Steam is allowed to look into certain directories to check if you're pirating games, but where it can look is limited to only what's necessary.
And because we all hate EA anyway.
 

Wintermoot

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Valve loves their customers and treats them as such and not tugs and sees them as potential customers
Valve didn't support SOPA
Steam Sales
it,s cheaper to buy on Steam then in Retail
Steam asks for data instead of just taking it
Demo,s
loads of games for around $5
Origin never learned from Steam
 

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After so many years, Valve still kept the trust of their costumers. I don't remember if I ever read where someone was rightfully claiming that Valve did something wrong to him.

Just one case where one idiot who used someone else's CC and that someone else reporting him was banned. But he was asking for it. Every other problem was solved trough support tickets.

On the other hand, EA did so much wrong with every step. Every game they bought got worse and worse. I don't know if there is even one IP that got better than got better.
They had Valve as an example of how to do well on the online market, how to design good options, how to make things work, jet when Origin came out, it was shit.
Expensive, intrusive, buggy...

Sorry, but mistakes won't be tolerated if you have such a great example of how to do things right.
Saying "look at how Steam was when it came out" isn't going to make Origin look better. It will still be as it is. But Valve didn't have someone to look up to and learn from them. Valve was the only player at that time and they had to experiment, be creative and give people what they want. They started badly, jet they succeeded.

Origin comes to an already established market and tries to force their rules on it.
No can do, no.can.do.

Valve earned the trust of people, EA lost all the trust I had.
I'm not going to invest into someone I don't have any trust. If that means no ME3, so be it.


kiri2tsubasa said:
It took Steam nearly three days to respond to my email about resetting my password. After that it took another two days to actually work. Why is their no "I forgot my password" link to click on. Hell even Origin has that.
Next time use Support Tickets.
Every problem is usually solved within a day with them.

Also, there is the option to get your password back. "Retrieve lost account" in the log in screen on Steam.
 

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Steam was absolute trash when it came out and it was full of bugs. Its saving grace was that it was still optional upon release. I got it with counterstrike condition zero and I could install steam but the game would still run free of steam. Once they got established and got the bugs worked out they are a truly amazing games distributor.

Never have to worry about CDs
Corrupt game files are easy to fix and re-download
hell when steam it's self breaks you can delete everything in the root directory but the sub-folders and steam.exe and it will FIX ITSELF.

Origin is trying to jump into the market against a giant, with bugs and without being optional to let players test the waters as well as work out the kinks without forcing anybody into your service.

Also steam offers a huge library of games from all over and origin just offers their own games (as far as I know... have not used it since BF3 beta when it wouldn't actually let me purchase BF3)
 

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I wouldnt say STEAM = Good in fact I dislike it for a number of reasons. STEAM is just the best digital distrubution service the PC gaming market has at this time. So its not the case of it being good its a case of it being the best we have right now.

The problem with Origin is its glorified spyware which I and a lot of other people have a huge problem with. Coupled with the fact that its owned and operated by EA only makes it worse because I dont trust EA, Ive just had to many bad experiences with them and I see them operating a digital distribution service as a conflict of interest.

That all aside there are many other problems with Origin when compared to STEAM. First off that Origin prices all its games at a full $60 no matter how old they are. PC gaming is already expensive enough and a small cut in price is needed for PC games especially since they dont have to manufacture physical copies or have to split as much money with retailers. Their costs come down, so their prices should also fall

Then theres this whole thing with the PC version of Mass effect 3 requiring origin to run. The problem as I see it with this specific game is ME and ME2 was released on STEAM. Meaning save files wont transfer over. This wouldnt be such a big deal if Origin gave a free copy of ME and ME2 when you purchased ME3 but thats not happening. This wouldnt fix the save file issue but it would make the purchase of ME3 on PC a little more attractive. Im just gonna go ahead and say it, Im a PC gamer. Thats my platform of choice and Im fed up with developers that dont want to support it. However its worse when a developer wants me to put spyware on my machine (something I use for work and have my own creative projects on like artwork and writing). So since I refuse to use origin I also refuse to buy ME3 what so ever. If Bioware and EA dont want to do a sensible PC release then they wont get my money