why is Origin= Bad...Steam =Good?

[Vrach]

The hate comes mainly from the privacy breach. Origin's pretty creepy as far as computer monitoring goes. This is the absolute main issue that Origin hate is based on, but all of the below fuel it further and make it a bigger deal.

There's also the fact that EA reserved some of its games, as far as digital download distribution goes, to Origin or made them unavailable to Steam (the latter for which I think they're wrongly blamed as it's perfectly ok imo that they don't want to accept Steam's DD terms)

Then there's also how shitty Origin is compared to Steam. Now, if this was restricted to the deals they were offering, that'd be one thing. Steam's been there itself. But the UI and the way it handles is absolutely atrocious and not something you can blame on it being a new application. For example, when playing Battlefield 3, I open my Origin overlay and when I close it, it sometimes "restores" Battlefield 3, immediately throwing it back into fullscreen upon clicking something, costing me some 10 seconds of downtime. Yeah, not much, but the whole point of overlay is to avoid that downtime, so it basically fails at what it's trying to do.

Now, couple those completely legit complaints with the general hate that comes with being a big company and EA in particular and you get a nice hate cake, sprinkled on top with the fact that it has Steam to compare with, which is like comparing a Yugo to a Ferari in a situation where you're not paying to choose one of the two.

 

[TheSteeleStrap]

I have no experience with Origin. With the idea of the monopoly though, it allows everyone to play together, and where's the harm in that?

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

here I thourght I had

Origin...everyone hates it, more or less,its become a symbol of how awful EA are

and then there steam..EVERYONE loves steam..steam are an example of how awsome Valve are

now I acutally like valve..espeically compared to EA

but WHY is this? I mean is it really a good thing for one digital distribution service to have a "monopoly" on the market? Steam has screwed me over a number of times (losing my game data, forcing my to use it and download a whole load of data before I can play my game...on a game I got retail..no less)

I know origin is aparently not perfect as a platfrom/service but some people seem to hate it for the fact that it exists, and that it isnt steam

so tell me...why is steam so great when origin is so awful?

Well if you want an idea of why people don't like Origin, just look at this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/113314-EA-Changes-Origin-Terms-of-Services-Forbids-Class-Action-Lawsuits], this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/112559-Internet-Explodes-Over-Origins-Invasion-of-Privacy], this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.328868-EA-now-issuing-permanent-Origin-bans-through-content-filter], and this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114273-Questions-Still-Swirl-Around-EAs-Origin-Bans]. Does that give you an idea of why people might have a less than positive view of Origin?

 

[Richard Keohane]

this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.328868-EA-now-issuing-permanent-Origin-bans-through-content-filter]

Sweet mother of pearl. That's low, even by EA's standards.

 

[Black Arrow Officer]

TF2 and other games require you to download Steam. What's so bad about Origin? My guess is people are saddlesore from DA:2 and BF3 and are now taking it on anything that smells like EA.

 

[Singularly Datarific]

I don't oppose a monopoly as long as they are run by people who care for us.

 

[midget_roxx]

For me it's the privacy issues. I kinda like Origin at least in terms of looks. If it didn't constantly send my details to some arbritary database I wouldn't mind giving it a decent go

 

[Rottweiler]

I'm a little confused...how can you say 'sure they have access to my computer...but that's okay?'

Dude, I don't volunteer for my *friends* to do that, why would I allow a company who intends to profit from it do so?

So you don't care about your porn...how about your email addresses? Those are in there. Passwords? What other information is there, that could be taken without your knowledge or consent?

I don't have any idea how much data they could get- but I am leery of any large profit-making company being willingly given that much access to my computer. *Especially* when they are legally covered in doing so.

 

[Aprilgold]

Because too many PC gamers are Valve fanboys that will bend over and take anything from their digital distribution service while just smiling and asking for more Half-Life. While any similar wrong doings from the main digital distribution service for EA will just be taken as proof of their 'See EA is evil and shouldn't be trusted' mentality.

Or, you know, the fact that EA is a giant dick to the whole industry and that EA is the ultimate bad guy. And they shut down Pamdemic Studios, those fucking assholes. Quite honestly, I despise EA just for shutting down Pamdemic before letting them try and develop two games under EA.

Origin is literally just Steam in a less finished version. Doesn't bring anything new to the table and, with several hundred customers not getting their games or DLC's even after paying for them is atrocious. Onlive is a better then Origin, since it brings something new to the table and acutally manages to be reliable, and then Steam is top dog because it was such a game changer.

Also, I'd like to point out that a large amount of PC gamer's know why Valve is top dog, and thats becuase of Half Life 2, which introduced cinematic action. What Cinematic Action is, to put it simply, being able to play through a sequence that would usually be reserved for a cut-scene. Also, physics. Half Life 2 had mindblowing physics back in the day.

Also, Steam didn't have me on customer support for 7 FUCKING BRAIN WAGGLING HOURS before finally getting someone who tried to help my problem, failed and then I said fuck it and lost 60$ which went right up EA's bumhole.

To break it down simply, this is the internet. You are required to hate EA and any/everything that they do. You are also supposed to love Steam unconditionally. However their are flaws with this thinkig. For example.

Steam = Constant updates, Constant Discounts (Daily/Mid-Week/Weekend), Friendly, and Fast customer service.

It took Steam nearly three days to respond to my email about resetting my password. After that it took another two days to actually work. Why is their no "I forgot my password" link to click on. Hell even Origin has that.

Welp, theres good reasons why people hate EA. I was stuck on Customer Support because after a game purchase for Origin, Origin did not start and the game did not appear in my libary. I contact customer support, and tell the lady the problem, and then disconnect. Then came this man who was going to connect me to his boss. This took three hours to do, and then disconnect. I get another lady who had a very difficult time understanding my problem, and leaves, took two hours for her to finally disconnect. And about a hour of waiting time between the boss transfer and the second lady. On the seventh hour, a lady asks how I'm doing, and then disconnects. The game I bought was 60$, and all that money went straight to them, I lost all of it and never got anything to compensate.

I could sit here all day telling you exactly why EA is a bad company, marketing M rated games to kids, upsetting the Baby Sitter Association, milking franchises, destroying dev teams ripe with potential before their second game can come out. Hiring teams that don't fit with their strategies on development. Treating every gamer as a pirate waiting to happen and more. Steam has never made me feel like they thought I was going to turn around and pirate their whole library of games.

Also, theres a button that says RECOVER LOST ACCOUNT INFO or something to that degree. It does what it says.

 

[Yopaz]

Well for one Origin's prices seems to be higher. I haven't used it much myself so I can't say if that's a lasting thing, but I found Battlefield 3 from a different side offering it as a digital download for a lot less before it was released. That is a site that unlike EA doesn't get 100% of the money for themselves.
My other issues with Origin is that the programming seems sloppy. Steam was sloppy too 5 years ago, but they could afford it because they didn't have a huge competitor. I like what EA is trying to do with introducing a new service like Steam and break the monopoly, it's just that they're doing a bad job of it. I think they would get a few more sales if they started releasing their games on Steam after a while. Let them be Origin exclusive for a year or so then release them on Steam. I don't think that will happen though. Origin is the only reason I haven't bought Need For Speed: The Run.

 

[Trippy Turtle]

Well normally its bad for someone to have a monopoly on the market but that is because of low competition normally means high prices. I don't think many people can complain about Steams prices.

 

[Nikolaz72]

Its very very simple: PR, its as simple as that, Valve has good PR and everyone loves them for some reason(I envy all the people who say valve is nice since they told me to fuck off twice) and everyone hates EA because its EA.

Um no, it is because Origin is currently an unpolished t*rd that is forced on us by EA if we wish to play their games.

EA tried to get us to use Origin of our own free will via it's Digital Distribution system however it's list of benefits was no where near the worth the effort, after all why download install and run EADM and then put up with the nonsense of limited installs a crappy back up system and shock horror the potential of having to deal with EA customer support, when I could just go in to a store buy a game and just install it.

So shock horror EADM failed to do what EA wanted it to do, so they tweaked it, renamed it and then launched it with BF3 as a requirement to be installed to play the game. Now that sound to different to what Valve did with Steam and HL2 and yes it got a lot of flak for a prolonged install, a tedious update, dodgy servers and the fact you need Steam to play HL2. The thing is that was a decade ago and while many may have forgotten the issues Steam has the fact that Steam had them does not excuse EA for having issues with Origin.

- The fact that it is still Beta despite having been out in one form or another for five years.
- The fact that updates aren't done automatically it asks you to update your games then updates them. The Origin update system is even worse, as it closes Origin, starts a full download and then a full install system and then places a new desktop icon and if you don't notice it will set itself to start automatically when you boot your computer. It will also ask you to re insert your user name and password. Steam does all this as a background service and only requires a restart.
- Server downtime is a joke, more correctly what Origin does when it can't connect is a joke. Steam tells you their is an issue connecting (although chances of seeing that message are next to none.) Origin plays dumb and tells you that it is your fault for not putting in the correct user name or password.
- Origin accounts being linked to EA forum accounts, frankly that is beyond a joke. Bans on the forums result in you being unable to access games.... really?

The fact is Origin is no worse than the issues Steam had at launch but that doesn't mean it can be forgiven. If this was ten years ago and Steam had just launched then it could get away with its problems, but it isn't. It has been 'launched' in to a market that is dominated by a system that does everything it does and it does it easily, without issue and in a polished way. Then you have to consider that Origin has been in development for five years so it is even less forgiveable that it has the issues that it has.

Put it this way, I have one game that require Origin and every day after an update the torrent sites get checked for updates to the Origin by pass cracks. That is the worse recommendation for Origin that I can think of, I have the option to use it will I use it? No!. The same situation exists for Steam, cracks that by pass it exist, but I am happy to use Steam.

I would say its a mix, EA's product sucks. 'And' EA's rep sucks. 'And' EA's public relations department sucks. Valves product is good, their reputation is good, and their public relations department is well, god teir.

I mean, you have the level where people are willing to beg you for years to release a sequel, and then you have the level where people are willing to argue on your behalf of why you have 'not' released a sequel for those several years.

 

[Phisi]

because steam is like your cuddly puppy dog who every now and then chews your shoes and pisses on the carpet but looks cute and bounces around and greets you when you wake up in the morning while EA is your dad who doesn't do much except when it makes your life miserable like forcing you to go to maths tutoring and to stop playing dem video-games. Steam while having it's problems is also really good while Origin has it's problems and does nothing. Origin doesn't give you anything in return.

 

[Sigma Van Lockheart]

Well I got origin and my experience with it was terrible to say the least yet I?ve never had so much as a single problem with steam. I hate DRM yet love steam which is just another form of DRM why? Because steam does not feel like DRM steam feels like it is helping you rather than hindering you. Yet origin feels like what it is DRM and a very bad one at that also the whole doing over mass effect fans because they brought ME1 and 2 when they came out and not on origin is just another sign that EA has failed and so has origin.

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.328868-EA-now-issuing-permanent-Origin-bans-through-content-filter]

Sweet mother of pearl. That's low, even by EA's standards.

yep, one of the reasons Origin is not liked, can't say I blame people for feeling that way

 

[Arkhangelsk]

For me, it's extremely buggy and the fact that it has to be used in a browser annoys me deeply.

 

[NiPah]

Because too many PC gamers are Valve fanboys that will bend over and take anything from their digital distribution service while just smiling and asking for more Half-Life. While any similar wrong doings from the main digital distribution service for EA will just be taken as proof of their 'See EA is evil and shouldn't be trusted' mentality.

Please oh please tell us, what are some of those similar wrong doings that steam has forced upon us poor Valve fanboys that you speak of? Is it the ability to opt out of valve collecting private data? Is it the fact that a ban on the Steam forum does not ban you from playing games you bought over Steam? Is it the categorically lower prices that Valve offers over Origin? Inquiring minds want to know the reason you made such claims without backing them up with any evidence whatsoever.

Looking at your post history you state Half Life 2 is a dull atrocity, an unenjoyable, over-hyped, sequel that relied too much on gimmicks, and you also state you can't wait for Mass Effect 3, you go so far as to praise EA for making it an Origin exclusive.

I would like to say I disagree with you sir, and urge you to include reasoning and evidence in all your future posts to ensure a proper debate.

Also I hope you enjoy the collectors edition of Mass Effect 3 you have pre-ordered, I never played the second in the series but I wouldn't stoop to insulting the series since I can see its quality even if it is not my taste.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Because of the intrusive privacy TOS part and because not a lot of people want to have to use more than one service for games. It complicates things for no reason. Also, EA lied when they stated their reasons for not having their games on Steam. I don't like it when a company lies to me in order to make me use their service that they know very well is dodgy. If they had so much faith in Origin then why didn't they make it mandatory for SWTOR? Why don't they make it mandatory for Reckoning? Answer is easy. They are only using it for games that they know people want to buy no matter what. Which makes them assholes for punishing their loyal customers like that.

 

[ph0b0s123]

Because Origin believes it has a right to my system info, whereas Steam asks for it. Simple as.

 

[Matt Dellar]

Honestly, I don't like either of them all that much. They both assume you have really good Internet, so if I only want to play Cave Story+ on Steam, if my mom happens to be watching one of the debates, it takes about five minutes to start up. If I'm offline, it starts up in a second.

Moral of the story: live somewhere where cable Internet is available.