lapan said:
NoeL said:
lapan said:
How is she reduced to Tits and Ass?
By looking like this [http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8344/8170874687_ab4df8c635_k.jpg]. Kudos for at least making her look real, but she was clearly designed to elicit awkward teenage boners and amateur hentai. And again, I wouldn't have a problem with that if it weren't for the fact we're supposed to take her seriously and bond with her. Whacking off to porn is one thing, whacking off to a photo of your cute friend is creepy and kinda disrespectful.
lapan said:
Only a few people except on the very extremes of both sides of the argument objectify them in that manner.
I disagree.
lapan said:
And just for the record: DC neither is nor tries to be a porn game.
I'm using "porn" in a very loose way, to describe gratuitous intent to illicit sexual arousal. So all the DoA girls, Taki, Ivy, Lara Croft, etc. would have pornographic design.
So a sexual design automatically invalidates even a good personality?
If bigger than average breasts or skin catch your attention so much you can't enjoy a game/only enjoy it because of them i'm sorry for you.
What do you even propose as solution? Should every female from now on be a child or ugly so they can't possibly be objectified by anyone?
The internet died and ate my post.
Its not that a sexual design automatically invalidates a good personality, but it can detract from one. It can distract one from a good character design. Its not that bigger than average breasts or skin catch attention so much you cannot enjoy a game, it is just that they can catch your attention briefly and therefore detract from the enjoyment of a game.
There is nothing wrong with sexy character design, but it has its place. That's it. Sometimes it massively detracts from tone, sometimes it is just massively distracting. Would Skyrim have been a better game if it had DoA style characters? Some people think so, go look at the Nexus and forget to filter out "Adult" mods from the top 25 list.
Using the Cortana example, was anything added to her character when she was made sexier? Was anything lost?
Personally, I found the first two series of a Game of Thrones, whilst incredibly well acted and based on stunning material (I have read the books), to contain way too much tits and ass. I found it distracting, I found it detracted from a good plot, I found it, at times, to be shoehorned in (Granted, its a while since I read the first books, but I was 14 and horny as fuck, I would have REMEMBERED if important scenes took place in a brothel complete with writhing lesbians.). I found the third series to be by far the best, the lack of soft-core pornography being one of the reasons I found it to be so much better. Was anything lost by toning down the tits? Was anything gained?
I think I have made my point. It is a matter of personal taste, some people will prefer giant tits in their games (As the other thread has proved), some people seem to actively dislike them (Roughly the same amount according to the other thread) and most people just do not care. I fall into the last camp, I really do not care, unless the art design of the female characters is distracting from the game at large and does not fit the tone, I really could not give a fuck.
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Retrograde said:
I know this is a crazy idea, but just maybe these games are being made by human beings with their own tastes and preferances, and maybe they're making games they want to make and creating art they want to see, and these teams don't exist solely to please the spoiled fucking whims of entitled fucking babies that'll spit their damn dummy out and let the internet know how righteously offended they are whenever something exists in a game that wasn't made with their personal tastes in mind.
You know, I hate this idea that talking about issues within gaming makes one entitled. One is not entitled if one notices something they do not like. One is not being a whiny baby if one accepts that games do not exist in a vacuum.
You have, quite deliberately, insulted everyone who disagrees with you. For that you have been reported. You have added nothing whatsoever to the debate, bar a sweeping attack on those who are for whatever reasons arguing that perhaps giant breasts and ass are not always called for in gaming.
Art is not above criticism. Games are made to please an audience, the audience has the right to state that things within games are not to their taste. Deal with it.
Plus there are people like myself. I did not bring it into my response, but I have spent the last year writing essays on the media, on current culture and on society in general (Sociology/History double major. With a healthy scattering of Media and Cultural studies modules.). For people like myself, this sort of topic is our bread and butter. Hell, I will be writing my dissertation on something to do with gaming (Still thinking about it.)
and these teams don't exist solely to please the spoiled fucking whims of entitled fucking babies
Just to make this doubly clear, no, these teams exist to please the market. People like myself are part of that market. And we can say whatever we fucking please.