Windows 8 Will Be a "Real New Push Into PC Gaming"

[4RT1LL3RY]

I currently enjoy the current state that the PC market is without Microsoft meddling. We have been joyfully dieing for what, 20 years now?

 

[Exort]

Wait, so how many times did MS said they are going to "relaunch" PC gaming?

 

[TechNoFear]

Ah, just saw your edit. I was about to go on a small rant about how RAGE (as well as any other game running on an idTech engine after... I think idTech 2) as well as most scientific simulations and CGI in movies runs on OpenGL. OpenGL is made of win. :3

Khronos's design by committe has only served to hold OpenGL back since 2002 (some improvement in versions 3.1 and 3.1), while in the same time period MS has moved forward quickly and decisively with Direct3D.

Even ID's John Carmack thinks DirectX9 is better than OpenGL3.

DX9 is really quite a good API level. Even with the D3D side of things, where I know I have a long history of people thinking I'm antagonistic against it. Microsoft has done a very, very good job of sensibly evolving it at each step?they're not worried about breaking backwards compatibility?and it's a pretty clean API. I especially like the work I'm doing on the 360, and it's probably the best graphics API as far as a sensibly designed thing that I've worked with.

Good perception, there, but one thing needs to be added - every other Windows has sucked less.

It always amuses me how people blame MS for their errors (a poor craftsman blames his tools).

I create XP/CE based micro PCs systems on board heavy haul vehicles and in remote locations monitoring heavy haul rail traffic (and have done so for over a decade). [systems that require less than a millisecond timings use CE, all others XPe]

These systems operate for at least 10 weeks between reboots in terrible conditions (heat, vibration and dust).

Funny how I can get these XP based systems to run forever but some people can't get their PC to run for an hour.

Clearly this is not a fault of the MS OS but the user.....

 

[Cocamaster]

I would LOVE to have this being part of the entire gaming environment on PC, a-la Xbox Live, rather than the way it is now (game dependant).

i'ts called steam. microsoft trying to get involved would mean they launch a similar service that's worse for everyone and probably has stupid drm, which would splinter the industry and could kill steam. I would cry. I hope this doesn't ammount to anything. The third parties know what their doing. Indie devs, blah blah blah open gl blah blah blah drm. This is not new stuff.

Steam is great, but it also exemplifies what I don't want: a client-dependant community integration system.

I want Xbox Live on the PC. I want all Windows 7/8 games to auto-update, have voice chat, cross-game chat, Messeger integration and a single friends list.

I don't like having to run Steam, GFWL, Xfire, MSN, and whatever other client is needed in the background to run one game session.

I would also like PC games that run of the disk, but that's my fantasy and I can live without it.

 

[motyr]

Every notice how basically every other Windows OS sucks balls? 7, good. Vista bad. XP good. ME bad. 98 good. 95 bad.

Looks like they're right on track for a giant flop.

Didn't count 2000, eh

 

[Balobo]

I hope they don't. Stop making computer games, I get a ton of people orgasm over PC games, but mehhhh.

Let it die, I prefer my consoles as they're designed specifically for games. There's no removing porn from my harddrive to install, or spending a ridiculously large sum of money to update/buy a new computer every year for a single game I wish to play. It's all inclusive.

My computer is for the interwebs and spank material. My video game consoles are just for games.



Except RTS' those should never again move to consoles.

It's pathetic, really.

A non dedicated gaming machine is better at running games than a dedicated gaming machine.

 

[Sovereignty]

I hope they don't. Stop making computer games, I get a ton of people orgasm over PC games, but mehhhh.

Let it die, I prefer my consoles as they're designed specifically for games. There's no removing porn from my harddrive to install, or spending a ridiculously large sum of money to update/buy a new computer every year for a single game I wish to play. It's all inclusive.

My computer is for the interwebs and spank material. My video game consoles are just for games.



Except RTS' those should never again move to consoles.

It's pathetic, really.

A non dedicated gaming machine is better at running games than a dedicated gaming machine.

I believe that is heavily based on opinion. Especially considering they're not. Unless you have a rig specifically for gaming which costs significantly more then a console... And performs at or slight above a console.

 

[Balobo]

I hope they don't. Stop making computer games, I get a ton of people orgasm over PC games, but mehhhh.

Let it die, I prefer my consoles as they're designed specifically for games. There's no removing porn from my harddrive to install, or spending a ridiculously large sum of money to update/buy a new computer every year for a single game I wish to play. It's all inclusive.

My computer is for the interwebs and spank material. My video game consoles are just for games.



Except RTS' those should never again move to consoles.

It's pathetic, really.

A non dedicated gaming machine is better at running games than a dedicated gaming machine.

I believe that is heavily based on opinion. Especially considering they're not. Unless you have a rig specifically for gaming which costs significantly more then a console... And performs at or slight above a console.

I spent like 350 dollars on this rig and it easily outperforms consoles. Framerate and texture quality are not opinions, they're facts.

 

[gl1koz3]

So, that basically means Windows will get even more overpriced and bye bye simple office tasks (aka ten thousand BSODs in a minute because of multimedia devices). Amirite?

 

[A random person]

As someone who grudgingly made a Windows 7 partition in the past several months only out of sheer gaming necessity and who wishes to see Linux and open-source as the dominant forces in computing, I am not pleased.

 

[SilentHunter7]

I hope MS doesn't do that. I really hope they don't, that sounds horrible. On the other hand, there is the fact that Firefox manages to compete with Internet Explorer, even though IE is built directly into the OS and has been for the past, what, 12 years or more? I'm not sure on exact dates, but it's been there for a while.

Interesting you said that. MS actually did get sued over Internet Explorer [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft]. The settled agreement ordered Microsoft to share their Windows API with third party companies, so that they can't just deny access to 3rd party browser developers, and disclose its source code so that they can verify that they weren't coding anything shady into Windows that would give IE a leg up on the competition.

 

[Crazie_Guy]

"the relaunched Games for Windows Marketplace shows potential"

I would have to contest this part. It shows about as much potential as a digital distribution service as Da Vinci's boat shoes did as a method of intercontinental travel.

 

[Player Two]

Methinks that by 'support' they mean 'control'. This is going to be one long line of agonising integration into Microsoft's gelatinous blob of Live, designed to quash independent gaming and smother our precious titles in DRM.

If this happens, we have two choices: Either a) Pirate everything (meaning that Steve Ballmer will personally shove a retractable baton up your jacksie) or b) switch to Linux. I'm serious. Better still, learn how to dual boot it now, so that you're ready for this fateful next release.

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

By the time 8 rolls around no on will care and only want flash based games....

 

[superbatranger]

Every notice how basically every other Windows OS sucks balls? 7, good. Vista bad. XP good. ME bad. 98 good. 95 bad.

Looks like they're right on track for a giant flop.

OH SNAP!

Looks like I'm waiting for Windows 9, then...

Pssh, by then every one will have bulky, over-sized virtual reality helmets.

 

[veloper]

Windows 7 is fine for gaming. That's not the problem and with the current standstill in hardware technology, with no new consoles and PC games(ports) all running smoothly on mainstream PCs, nobody will need windows 8 for atleast another 5 years.

If they want to do something constructive M$ should fix GFWL, even if that means stealing Valve's notes on Steam.

 

[Jumwa]

But Microsoft are making a lot of money from PC gamers despite what you originally said. And the money they make, or rather lost and are trying to recoup, from xbox is not all that much to them.

Why Microsoft started the xbox in the first place and what they plan on doing with it in the future has not so much to do with some plan to collect more of a share of the sale value of boxed games. It's a more complex picture. Most of the "visionaries" behind the xbox are not even still working anywhere at the company. With Microsoft it might only exist because enough people see it as a "cool" project internally.

Presuming you were right, then they have the strangest way of showing it, because just a few months ago they bought out exclusive rights for DLC for Fallout: New Vegas for Xbox, thereby canceling or delaying a PC release of it. They have indefinitely postponed Fable 3 for PC. They canceled the PC version of Alan Wake (I believe?) even though it was originally to be a PC title when they bought the game. They make no talk of bringing Kinect to PCs, and last I saw they denied it would happen.

Just to name a few recent examples.

If helping PC gaming matters to Microsoft at all, then they seem to be mistaking sabotaging it for aiding.

 

[More Fun To Compute]

Presuming you were right, then they have the strangest way of showing it, because just a few months ago they bought out exclusive rights for DLC for Fallout: New Vegas for Xbox, thereby canceling or delaying a PC release of it. They have indefinitely postponed Fable 3 for PC. They canceled the PC version of Alan Wake (I believe?) even though it was originally to be a PC title when they bought the game. They make no talk of bringing Kinect to PCs, and last I saw they denied it would happen.

Just to name a few recent examples.

If helping PC gaming matters to Microsoft at all, then they seem to be mistaking sabotaging it for aiding.

I think that you are mistaking Microsoft for a rational individual that acts on one long term play. If you give people control of a relatively small and unsuccessful part of the business like xbox and tell them to make it work then they are going to take this sort of decision. They almost act like a competing company inside Microsoft, some even say that Microsoft should be split up because of this sort of thing.