Windows 8 Will Be a "Real New Push Into PC Gaming"

[LoganN]

Well Apple doesn't have the marketshare of Microsoft. If Microsoft integrated a digital distribution system with an OS that is pretty much used by everyone, Valve, and anyone else that does digital distribution, would have a pretty strong case that Microsoft is competing unfairly.

Valve does, though. Valve has a huge majority of the digital distrubition market when it comes to games. Estimates are in the high eighty percent. Plus, Valve's software is bundled with games, and required to be installed and used to play those games.

I don't see why they couldn't bundle their own software with their own software.

 

[TheSteeleStrap]

I'm sceptical. Windows OSs are only good every other time.

 

[IBlackKiteI]

Just more lies and empty promises to get people's hopes up. i love how they promised it years from now so everyone will forget about what they promised and won't call them out when they don't deliver. You really want me to think you haven't abandonned the PC Microsoft? Here's what you do.

1. Finish the Halo and Gears series on PC.
2. Stop making us wait longer for the PC version of 360 games that turns out to be a half assed, shoddily done port. Seriously, when was the last time this didn't happen?
3. Stop making the vast majority of the 360 library 360 exclusives.

What you shouldn't do is keep making empty promises.

That seems a little harsh dude, PC ports of Halo 3, Reach, Wars and Gears 2 would be cool, but a little pointless.
Can you imagine that many people getting them? Although PC Halo CE is still fairly popular online.

Many 360 games are exclusives because they're made for 360, they may not even work anywhere else, maybe these shoddy ports you speak are only shoddy because they weren't really mean't for PC anyway.

 

[brumley53]

5 bucks says they make steam incompatible and GFWL is built in to the system.

 

[archvile93]

Just more lies and empty promises to get people's hopes up. i love how they promised it years from now so everyone will forget about what they promised and won't call them out when they don't deliver. You really want me to think you haven't abandonned the PC Microsoft? Here's what you do.

1. Finish the Halo and Gears series on PC.
2. Stop making us wait longer for the PC version of 360 games that turns out to be a half assed, shoddily done port. Seriously, when was the last time this didn't happen?
3. Stop making the vast majority of the 360 library 360 exclusives.

What you shouldn't do is keep making empty promises.

That seems a little harsh dude, PC ports of Halo 3, Reach, Wars and Gears 2 would be cool, but a little pointless.
Can you imagine that many people getting them? Although PC Halo CE is still fairly popular online.

Many 360 games are exclusives because they're made for 360, they may not even work anywhere else, maybe these shoddy ports you speak are only shoddy because they weren't really mean't for PC anyway.

It's not harsh, it's the truth. They talk about how their going to save PC gaming yet all they've done is make a shitty steam knockoff, and one game (Fable 3) that they couldn't get out the door on time anyway, and you know it will run inferiorly to the 360 version in every way. Since most developers have no problem making various versions of the same gamewithout any problems, I fail to see why they can't. And, no there is no technical reason that 360 exclusive games couldn't be made for other systems. Hell PCs have the best hardware most of the time.

 

[TakeFour]

I would LOVE to have this being part of the entire gaming environment on PC, a-la Xbox Live, rather than the way it is now (game dependant).

i'ts called steam. microsoft trying to get involved would mean they launch a similar service that's worse for everyone and probably has stupid drm, which would splinter the industry and could kill steam. I would cry. I hope this doesn't ammount to anything. The third parties know what their doing. Indie devs, blah blah blah open gl blah blah blah drm. This is not new stuff.

 

[QUINTIX]

A new push on gaming because those games will have a "Ubicrap" style of drm.

Let's not forget why Ubisoft is now the Queen of Delusional Restrictions Mismanagement.
They tried the "DRM free" waters with Prince of Persia [http://torrentfreak.com/ubisoft-dumps-prince-of-persia-drm-remains-skeptical-081212/]. It didn't work too well, and so they skipped releasing DLC for the PC.

Back on topic, sorta: for those of you sticking with Windows 5 (2000, XP, MCE 2003/2005), you are going to be missing out on a bunch of foward looking technologies, like NCQ or WDDM. Also, if the account you use on a day to day basis has administrative privilages, then there is little difference between the security model you are using and the security model of (non-NT) Windows 4.

The "every other OS" thing is quite a leap of superstition. Do not forget that 95, 98, 98se, and ME where all windows 4. Now that there is broadly accessible broadband, Microsoft no longer re-releases the same OS four or five times. They release free service packs instead.

 

[SilentHunter7]

Valve does, though. Valve has a huge majority of the digital distrubition market when it comes to games. Estimates are in the high eighty percent. Plus, Valve's software is bundled with games, and required to be installed and used to play those games.

I don't see why they couldn't bundle their own software with their own software.

Because Steam isn't a requirement to run your PC, or play video games. Windows is. And if MS integrates a digital distribution system with their Operating System, which is used by over 90% of PC users, you can argue that that's an unfair use of their Operating System's vast marketshare to take over another market. Because how can Valve compete with a product directly integrated into the Windows operating system?

 

[4RT1LL3RY]

I currently enjoy the current state that the PC market is without Microsoft meddling. We have been joyfully dieing for what, 20 years now?

 

[Exort]

Wait, so how many times did MS said they are going to "relaunch" PC gaming?

 

[TechNoFear]

Ah, just saw your edit. I was about to go on a small rant about how RAGE (as well as any other game running on an idTech engine after... I think idTech 2) as well as most scientific simulations and CGI in movies runs on OpenGL. OpenGL is made of win. :3

Khronos's design by committe has only served to hold OpenGL back since 2002 (some improvement in versions 3.1 and 3.1), while in the same time period MS has moved forward quickly and decisively with Direct3D.

Even ID's John Carmack thinks DirectX9 is better than OpenGL3.

DX9 is really quite a good API level. Even with the D3D side of things, where I know I have a long history of people thinking I'm antagonistic against it. Microsoft has done a very, very good job of sensibly evolving it at each step?they're not worried about breaking backwards compatibility?and it's a pretty clean API. I especially like the work I'm doing on the 360, and it's probably the best graphics API as far as a sensibly designed thing that I've worked with.

Good perception, there, but one thing needs to be added - every other Windows has sucked less.

It always amuses me how people blame MS for their errors (a poor craftsman blames his tools).

I create XP/CE based micro PCs systems on board heavy haul vehicles and in remote locations monitoring heavy haul rail traffic (and have done so for over a decade). [systems that require less than a millisecond timings use CE, all others XPe]

These systems operate for at least 10 weeks between reboots in terrible conditions (heat, vibration and dust).

Funny how I can get these XP based systems to run forever but some people can't get their PC to run for an hour.

Clearly this is not a fault of the MS OS but the user.....

 

[Cocamaster]

I would LOVE to have this being part of the entire gaming environment on PC, a-la Xbox Live, rather than the way it is now (game dependant).

i'ts called steam. microsoft trying to get involved would mean they launch a similar service that's worse for everyone and probably has stupid drm, which would splinter the industry and could kill steam. I would cry. I hope this doesn't ammount to anything. The third parties know what their doing. Indie devs, blah blah blah open gl blah blah blah drm. This is not new stuff.

Steam is great, but it also exemplifies what I don't want: a client-dependant community integration system.

I want Xbox Live on the PC. I want all Windows 7/8 games to auto-update, have voice chat, cross-game chat, Messeger integration and a single friends list.

I don't like having to run Steam, GFWL, Xfire, MSN, and whatever other client is needed in the background to run one game session.

I would also like PC games that run of the disk, but that's my fantasy and I can live without it.

 

[motyr]

Every notice how basically every other Windows OS sucks balls? 7, good. Vista bad. XP good. ME bad. 98 good. 95 bad.

Looks like they're right on track for a giant flop.

Didn't count 2000, eh

 

[Balobo]

I hope they don't. Stop making computer games, I get a ton of people orgasm over PC games, but mehhhh.

Let it die, I prefer my consoles as they're designed specifically for games. There's no removing porn from my harddrive to install, or spending a ridiculously large sum of money to update/buy a new computer every year for a single game I wish to play. It's all inclusive.

My computer is for the interwebs and spank material. My video game consoles are just for games.



Except RTS' those should never again move to consoles.

It's pathetic, really.

A non dedicated gaming machine is better at running games than a dedicated gaming machine.

 

[Sovereignty]

I hope they don't. Stop making computer games, I get a ton of people orgasm over PC games, but mehhhh.

Let it die, I prefer my consoles as they're designed specifically for games. There's no removing porn from my harddrive to install, or spending a ridiculously large sum of money to update/buy a new computer every year for a single game I wish to play. It's all inclusive.

My computer is for the interwebs and spank material. My video game consoles are just for games.



Except RTS' those should never again move to consoles.

It's pathetic, really.

A non dedicated gaming machine is better at running games than a dedicated gaming machine.

I believe that is heavily based on opinion. Especially considering they're not. Unless you have a rig specifically for gaming which costs significantly more then a console... And performs at or slight above a console.

 

[Balobo]

I hope they don't. Stop making computer games, I get a ton of people orgasm over PC games, but mehhhh.

Let it die, I prefer my consoles as they're designed specifically for games. There's no removing porn from my harddrive to install, or spending a ridiculously large sum of money to update/buy a new computer every year for a single game I wish to play. It's all inclusive.

My computer is for the interwebs and spank material. My video game consoles are just for games.



Except RTS' those should never again move to consoles.

It's pathetic, really.

A non dedicated gaming machine is better at running games than a dedicated gaming machine.

I believe that is heavily based on opinion. Especially considering they're not. Unless you have a rig specifically for gaming which costs significantly more then a console... And performs at or slight above a console.

I spent like 350 dollars on this rig and it easily outperforms consoles. Framerate and texture quality are not opinions, they're facts.

 

[gl1koz3]

So, that basically means Windows will get even more overpriced and bye bye simple office tasks (aka ten thousand BSODs in a minute because of multimedia devices). Amirite?

 

[A random person]

As someone who grudgingly made a Windows 7 partition in the past several months only out of sheer gaming necessity and who wishes to see Linux and open-source as the dominant forces in computing, I am not pleased.

 

[SilentHunter7]

I hope MS doesn't do that. I really hope they don't, that sounds horrible. On the other hand, there is the fact that Firefox manages to compete with Internet Explorer, even though IE is built directly into the OS and has been for the past, what, 12 years or more? I'm not sure on exact dates, but it's been there for a while.

Interesting you said that. MS actually did get sued over Internet Explorer [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft]. The settled agreement ordered Microsoft to share their Windows API with third party companies, so that they can't just deny access to 3rd party browser developers, and disclose its source code so that they can verify that they weren't coding anything shady into Windows that would give IE a leg up on the competition.

 

[Crazie_Guy]

"the relaunched Games for Windows Marketplace shows potential"

I would have to contest this part. It shows about as much potential as a digital distribution service as Da Vinci's boat shoes did as a method of intercontinental travel.