Wolfenstein Recalled in Germany - UPDATED
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If they just pretend it didn't happen long enough, then they'll eventually forget that it did, whereupon Germany will go for three, but thats fine, the Anglo Alliance has been in a bit of a slump lately and could use a morally unambiguous Nazi-stomp to get us out of our war-losing funk.
Tell you what, I'll make you a deal - I'll believe that statement when I can go a week without an American telling me how they somehow "saved our arse" by turning up late and cheering from the sidelines.cyber_andyy said:
DAMMIT! Ninja'd! Fine, I'm gonna find it on youtube!KaiRai said:
OK, I couldn't find it, so here's him on Al Queda [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO5dD0DjW0I&feature=related] instead.
Hah, yeah right. In my short life I've been to about a dozen countries and in all of them you sooner or later run into references to nazis once they figure out you're german. In the US its the "we saved europe's as" attitude, norwegians are cross that "we" literally set fire to their country before leaving and germans notoriusly don't get on with the french despite all efforts on both sides (please understand that this sentence is full of stereotypes but the thing with them is that they do represent mindsets that exist..). I recently moved to the Netherlans to give the country large sums of money in return for a higher education and the prejudice against germans is so depressing that I stopped calling myself german. Instead I rever to myself as norwegian (which is also 100% true) and it really makes a difference. Its all "when you (germans) were visiting us" - meaning the occupation.cyber_andyy said:
The rest of the world has gotten over it? Shit no.
Everyone deals with it in their own way. The british still make the same jokes as monty python did 40 years ago about nazis (which is cool, because python is the best comedy that ever was) etc.
And in Germany there are these laws.
Thats not quite true. The ban is done by the bpjm (Bundesprüfstelle für Jugendgefährende Medien) and not the USK. But I'd agree that thats a detail. Fact is, games are checked and frequently banned.Exterminas said:
Now.
Generally I think the general illegality of anything nazi related is good. Its heartbreaking to see nazis marching in russia or someplace, but when they could march with all their bloody symbols in the middle of Berlin shit would hit the fan for the foreign relations. No, we can't have that. It is right that it is banned because some shit shouldn't be legal (that it doesn't actually prevent people isn't the point, the point is the statement that it is illegal).
Though it gets ridiculous at times like when pins with crossed out swastikas were banned and resulted in charges against a leftist (!) webstore (there were also illegal in the school I attended but nobody cared)..
But i'm ranting.
I played RTCW and enjoyed it a lot (killing nazis is always fun) and don't understand why it was banned besides for the principle of the thing. The game was so over the top that it couldn't not possibly be called "verharmlosend" (lit. "make appear harmless")..
So what's to stop some ingenuitive Nazi from creating the newer better symbol for the party? It sucks for many, but this is just stupid ignorance getting dragged on. Besides, in the game you are fighting the Nazis, not supporting them.tsb247 said:
Addendum: Just goes to show we have a long way to go yet. Maybe it is time we started finding some other war to feature in games. Maybe one thing that makes Halo more appealing. Just wish it was more PC-friendly. You consolers get all the fun! *sniff*
Again, my point is missed.samsonguy920 said:
I'm not saying I agree with such censorship, but rather that I know that there are reason for it. I merely pointed those out.
That's it.
Sure, it's a little crazy to go so far, but the reasons for it do seem sound. To simply say, "Put it out of your mind and move on," is not how history works.
I am not arguing for putting it out of our mind, but punishing everyone for the sins of a minority (which the Nazis, and even Al Qaeda are both of) does not belong in a country's law process. What I was trying to say, is these laws could easily be circumvented by an enterprising group within the Nazi party, and they can just go on blabbering their ignorance and hatred to the masses. What we need to be doing instead is showing we are above that, tell the Nazis to go suck an egg and we will do things our way. But until prejudice stops being such a raging disease that will be a very difficult thing to do. It's still not right that nazi paraphenelia can be featured in schoolbooks or research materials, and yet not in games. Games which make very clear who is the bad guy. Now if they banned games where the player was a Nazi, to be honest, I wouldnt mind. And this comes from a staunch supporter of freedom of speech. Say all you want about hipocrisy, but I find my idea to be less an infringement of rights then doing a blanket ban on anything featuring Nazis. But politicians seem to prefer blanket bans than trying to deal with specific issues. Allows them to get off work sooner.tsb247 said:
Americans- We might have not saved eourope but we made Godzilla ! oh yay!
(if you dont get it its a sad joke godzilla the movie was made from the bombs dropped on japan)
(im sorry)
(if you dont get it its a sad joke godzilla the movie was made from the bombs dropped on japan)
(im sorry)
You know what? I'm on their side. This has gone on so long that it has just degenerated to hate-mongering.
Ah, Germany. Titties on the front cover of Bild almost every time, and still no swastikas. You'd think they'd recognize that the former object had ultimately led to more trouble in history.
"And would you like something to drink before the war LUNCH, I mean LUNCH!"
"May I recommend the veal, it's excellent. In fact, it's veally good."
"So now, that's one Prawn Goebbels, one Hermann Goering, one - sorry, I seem to have gotten a bit mixed up because everyone keeps mentioning the war."
I promulgated that bit of excellent John Cleese to other students on a trip to Germany with me, with a glance over the shoulder of course.
"We'd like to welcome your war.. you wa... you all, to our hotel"The_root_of_all_evil said:
"And would you like something to drink before the war LUNCH, I mean LUNCH!"
"May I recommend the veal, it's excellent. In fact, it's veally good."
"So now, that's one Prawn Goebbels, one Hermann Goering, one - sorry, I seem to have gotten a bit mixed up because everyone keeps mentioning the war."
I promulgated that bit of excellent John Cleese to other students on a trip to Germany with me, with a glance over the shoulder of course.
I got your point but my point was that it doesn't matter... I thought I said that? If there was a will, there would be a way. Hell, the mentality doesn't need the exact symbol. Anybody wanting to use the ideas could easily come up with another symbol and go from there. Banning the symbols is an empty gesture.tsb247 said:
Come to Oceania.Le_Lisra said:
We have forgiven the Germans for WW1 and the sequal. It forged the ANZAC spirit.
We have now got on with the important work of hating the Israelis.
I'm honestly not suprised. Germany and Austrailia are always fighting over the corwn for "biggest ass when it comes to video games" award. This is their rebuttle against the L4D2 ban in Austrailia.
