Wolfenstien: The New Colossus first review

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hanselthecaretaker said:
The game seems to be pretty big on political undertones
They have been pushing the same tone since 1992.

Or have you never heard of Wolfenstein 3D?
 

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Rip Van Rabbit said:
Good for her. Being pregnant doesn't make you useless, if anything that clip was indicative of quick-thinking and prowess even in her current state. I would have liked to see her fight in her younger years.
I'm fairly sure the things she did in the scene would have killed her baby. Leaving the flinging herself around on the floor aside, the shockwaves from the various explosion also probably would be harmful as well as they can internally rupture organs in a fully grown person, let alone a baby. I dunno, I suppose there isn't must research into how close an ungrown child can be to grenade/mech explosion without it's tiny baby heart exploding.

There's "far from useless" then "plain stupid". It's a really dumb, awful scene and no one should defend it.
 

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altnameJag said:
Nah, review embargos are fine in general, so sites aren't rushing reviews to call firsties.

Post-launch review embargos are the spawn of Satan's taint.
Those were the ones I had in mind when bringing it up (and release date reviews too) to be honest I hadn't realised they had pre-release embargos. This one I thought was a release day embargo at first.
 

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PapaGreg096 said:
hanselthecaretaker said:
The game seems to be pretty big on political undertones, but with the circus vibe they simply don?t end up meaning much of anything. Hopefully for Bethesda?s sake they didn?t plan for them to, because at face value it?s a pretty awful mess. As far as story the game looks to have truly gone off the deep end.
What political "undertones", give me a spoiler/
Ezekiel said:
I just read the plot on Wikipedia. It's bad.
All I got on wikipedia was this

"Following the events of Wolfenstein: The New Order, the Nazi regime has occupied America following their victory of the Second World War. William "B.J." Blazkowicz (Brian Bloom) and the militant resistance are trying to set up a second American Revolution against the Nazi regime. Frau Engel (Nina Franoszek) is hunting Blazkowicz, known to the Nazis as "Terror-Billy", in order to stop the Resistance.[6]"

It doesn't even need a spoiler, as the whole game's plot and everything that comes with it speaks for itself. The black dude banging a fat white chic is the icing on the cake.

Then you have things like the blatant doses of absurd irony [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nipNR5tJ_1w], which seem to more than vaguely be alluding to the whole Trump/Alt Right debacle. Interesting contrast I saw after looking that up [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQdDnbXXn20]

All against a backdrop that is being carried out in Europe as we speak. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvR-9xjzoPg&t=8s]
More irony. Shouldn't even have to read the comments to realize how dire the situation is over there.

Have to wonder why we don't see that side of things in the Stateside media. As Dan Brown said,

History is always written by the winners. When two cultures clash, the loser is obliterated, and the winner writes the history books-books which glorify their own cause and disparage the conquered foe. As Napoleon once said, 'What is history, but a fable agreed upon?
 

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hanselthecaretaker said:
It doesn't even need a spoiler, as the whole game's plot and everything that comes with it speaks for itself. The black dude banging a fat white chic is the icing on the cake.
Oh dear...

Then you have things like the blatant doses of absurd irony [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nipNR5tJ_1w], which seem to more than vaguely be alluding to the whole Trump/Alt Right debacle. Interesting contrast I saw after looking that up [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQdDnbXXn20]

All against a backdrop that is being carried out in Europe as we speak. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvR-9xjzoPg&t=8s]
More irony. Shouldn't even have to read the comments to realize how dire the situation is over there.
Oh deary dear...

Have to wonder why we don't see that side of things in the Stateside media. As Dan Brown said,

History is always written by the winners. When two cultures clash, the loser is obliterated, and the winner writes the history books-books which glorify their own cause and disparage the conquered foe. As Napoleon once said, 'What is history, but a fable agreed upon?
Oh deary dear dear. Times are bad, aren't they? Shocking. Absolutely shocking to have to deal with such heavy, traumatic themes such as futuristic Nazis riding tower-high mechs as they have taken over the world with robot dogs...AND A BLACK MAN IS FUCKING A WHITE WOMAN??? ROYSTEN!! GET THIS HORRENDOUS SHIT OUT MY ARYAN MEDIA BEFORE I PAINT THE WALLS WITH YOUR INFERIOR BLOOD...ITS MAKING ME SICK!

It's a good thing people can see this light entertainment for what it really is and, you know...pick apart the nitty gritty of every over the top scene as if its supposed to be some grounded, gritty indie documentary. Thank GOD we have such committed Aryans to direct us to the white light.

Astounding.
 

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Here Comes Tomorrow said:
It's a really dumb, awful scene and no one should defend it.
I hope this game doesn't become one of those causes where criticising it means you're a DrumphNaziLiterally, because honestly that scene is incredibly dumb and schlocky and, despite obviously not being a white supremacist, I am never going to defend that scene.
 

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Xsjadoblayde said:
hanselthecaretaker said:
It doesn't even need a spoiler, as the whole game's plot and everything that comes with it speaks for itself. The black dude banging a fat white chic is the icing on the cake.
Oh dear...

Then you have things like the blatant doses of absurd irony [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nipNR5tJ_1w], which seem to more than vaguely be alluding to the whole Trump/Alt Right debacle. Interesting contrast I saw after looking that up [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQdDnbXXn20]

All against a backdrop that is being carried out in Europe as we speak. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvR-9xjzoPg&t=8s]
More irony. Shouldn't even have to read the comments to realize how dire the situation is over there.
Oh deary dear...

Have to wonder why we don't see that side of things in the Stateside media. As Dan Brown said,

History is always written by the winners. When two cultures clash, the loser is obliterated, and the winner writes the history books-books which glorify their own cause and disparage the conquered foe. As Napoleon once said, 'What is history, but a fable agreed upon?
Oh deary dear dear. Times are bad, aren't they? Shocking. Absolutely shocking to have to deal with such heavy, traumatic themes such as futuristic Nazis riding tower-high mechs as they have taken over the world with robot dogs...AND A BLACK MAN IS FUCKING A WHITE WOMAN??? ROYSTEN!! GET THIS HORRENDOUS SHIT OUT MY ARYAN MEDIA BEFORE I PAINT THE WALLS WITH YOUR INFERIOR BLOOD...ITS MAKING ME SICK!

It's a good thing people can see this light entertainment for what it really is and, you know...pick apart the nitty gritty of every over the top scene as if its supposed to be some grounded, gritty indie documentary. Thank GOD we have such committed Aryans to direct us to the white light.

Astounding.

I'm well aware the whole game is silly, which is why I mentioned it having a circus vibe, but everyone (bears included) should know its content would end up sparking controversy, and some of it seems blatantly intentional. Take this article [http://www.gamerevolution.com/features/350795-weird-wolfenstein-2-wasnt-political] for instance.

Of course, it doesn't help that somehow every non favorable comment written about social norms on the internet seems to be automatically interpreted as this [https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/461291105166696448/uL1F8vHE_400x400.jpeg]. If anything it further proves my point of how ridiculous things have gotten.
 

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Here Comes Tomorrow said:
Rip Van Rabbit said:
Good for her. Being pregnant doesn't make you useless, if anything that clip was indicative of quick-thinking and prowess even in her current state. I would have liked to see her fight in her younger years.
I'm fairly sure the things she did in the scene would have killed her baby. Leaving the flinging herself around on the floor aside, the shockwaves from the various explosion also probably would be harmful as well as they can internally rupture organs in a fully grown person, let alone a baby. I dunno, I suppose there isn't must research into how close an ungrown child can be to grenade/mech explosion without it's tiny baby heart exploding.

There's "far from useless" then "plain stupid". It's a really dumb, awful scene and no one should defend it.
It's difficult to discern what the developer's aim of that scene was supposed to be, without defaulting to simply "she's a badass pregnant chic".

Again, [https://streamable.com/ueohc] what the hell would she have to remove any let alone all of her upper clothing for, other than to give "Terror Billy" (and players) a show?
 

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hanselthecaretaker said:
PapaGreg096 said:
hanselthecaretaker said:
The game seems to be pretty big on political undertones, but with the circus vibe they simply don?t end up meaning much of anything. Hopefully for Bethesda?s sake they didn?t plan for them to, because at face value it?s a pretty awful mess. As far as story the game looks to have truly gone off the deep end.
What political "undertones", give me a spoiler/
Ezekiel said:
I just read the plot on Wikipedia. It's bad.
All I got on wikipedia was this

"Following the events of Wolfenstein: The New Order, the Nazi regime has occupied America following their victory of the Second World War. William "B.J." Blazkowicz (Brian Bloom) and the militant resistance are trying to set up a second American Revolution against the Nazi regime. Frau Engel (Nina Franoszek) is hunting Blazkowicz, known to the Nazis as "Terror-Billy", in order to stop the Resistance.[6]"

It doesn't even need a spoiler, as the whole game's plot and everything that comes with it speaks for itself. The black dude banging a fat white chic is the icing on the cake.

Then you have things like the blatant doses of absurd irony [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nipNR5tJ_1w], which seem to more than vaguely be alluding to the whole Trump/Alt Right debacle. Interesting contrast I saw after looking that up [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQdDnbXXn20]

All against a backdrop that is being carried out in Europe as we speak. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvR-9xjzoPg&t=8s]
More irony. Shouldn't even have to read the comments to realize how dire the situation is over there.

Have to wonder why we don't see that side of things in the Stateside media. As Dan Brown said,

History is always written by the winners. When two cultures clash, the loser is obliterated, and the winner writes the history books-books which glorify their own cause and disparage the conquered foe. As Napoleon once said, 'What is history, but a fable agreed upon?
Barely anyone of those things are "Political" and that speech joke is more dumb fun than political undertones"

hanselthecaretaker said:
It's difficult to discern what the developer's aim of that scene was supposed to be, without defaulting to simply "she's a badass pregnant chic".
Well thats their aim whats more to it.

hanselthecaretaker said:
Of course, it doesn't help that somehow every non favorable comment written about social norms on the internet seems to be automatically interpreted as this [https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/461291105166696448/uL1F8vHE_400x400.jpeg]. If anything it further proves my point of how ridiculous things have gotten.
Thats more on the dumb people who interpert the game more than the game itself its like the equivalent of a feminist getting mad over the "Pedophilla" of Japanese games.
 

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altnameJag said:
And considering I've yet to see the phrase "Wolf2 makes you consider that maybe the Nazis had a point", I'm thinking the story is going to be fine.

you either release copies into the wild with enough time for people to form opinions about it before launch (and time for any sort of Shadow of Mordor fuckery to get revealed), and you let those reviews and impressions go live before the game's release, or you don't get my money.
Wait, you actually thought Wolf2 MIGHT have anything to do with being "pro-Nazi" when the devs talked about how Nazis were like the biggest monsters in all of history and only made them more monstrous in Wolf2?

Didn't Shadow of Mordor loot boxes get revealed before any review copies even went out? I bet in MGS2 happened during this time, people would legitimately complain about Kojima lying to them.
 

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That scene was funny, Anya was a badass throat cutter in the first game too.

Also BJ tanks cutscene injuries like a champ, if he can survive all the shit that happens in the first game, his superbaby can survive the shockwave from a grenade explosion.

Seriously though, it's less than a minute in a game that is supposedly 9-12 hours and very good, is this the hill you want to die on?

Also didn't Serena Williams win the Ausralian open while pregnant? Granted she was only 3 months or so at the time but thats a grueling athletic competition compared to a run and slide tackle. Oh shit, I just started debating realism in the context of a game about Nazi magic and super science, I've let the idiots win.
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
I bet in MGS2 happened during this time, people would legitimately complain about Kojima lying to them.
...I mean...people did complain about Kojima lying to them. Alot of people were pissed at MGS2 for the Raiden switch which is a big part of why alot of people hate him (Raiden).
 

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Saelune said:
Phoenixmgs said:
I bet in MGS2 happened during this time, people would legitimately complain about Kojima lying to them.
...I mean...people did complain about Kojima lying to them. Alot of people were pissed at MGS2 for the Raiden switch which is a big part of why alot of people hate him (Raiden).
Reviewers also kept it a secret because it really isn't something that should be spoiled IMO. Not knowing the about Raiden beforehand definitely enhanced my experience of the game. You should really just know the most basic premise of the story going into anything, any story beats or twists should not be known.
 

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Ezekiel said:
What a shitty review. Barely talked about the gameplay.

https://streamable.com/ueohc

Terrible. I can't believe that's the same lady from the last game.
The hell is this? Weird, perhaps a bit amusing but really stupid. Maybe a topless lady gunning down something with an AR in each arm would fit Doom but with Wolfenstein's new identity as a game with a serious story this is, to put it mildly for English speakers, absolutely fucking retarded. Was this suppose to be a whole "represent pregnant women!" thing? Something to go with this game's other far-left bullshit? In theory I think that is what they are gunning for but in execution it comes off as dumb and aimed toward people with a fetish for pregnant women.
 

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Ezekiel said:
B-Cell said:
Ezekiel said:
https://streamable.com/ueohc

Terrible. I can't believe that's the same lady from the last game.
this is just so cringe worthy. as a fan of RTCW the real wolfenstein game. i feel really bad. even worse than new order

seriously how can this crap apeal to any one??! I cannot even play this game in a front of anyone.
Also, I don't care about the reason, the jacket being on fire. The reason is only there to justify cheesy nudity. OF COURSE she doesn't wear a bra or shirt beneath. She wouldn't be jumping around like that pregnant anyway. I rather liked her in the last game.

I liked her to and this is not Anya. This is a totally different character in a totally different universe where shitty writing control more of the planet than nazis do.
 

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PurplePonyArcade said:
Ezekiel said:
What a shitty review. Barely talked about the gameplay.

https://streamable.com/ueohc

Terrible. I can't believe that's the same lady from the last game.
The hell is this? Weird, perhaps a bit amusing but really stupid. Maybe a topless lady gunning down something with an AR in each arm would fit Doom but with Wolfenstein's new identity as a game with a serious story this is, to put it mildly for English speakers, absolutely fucking retarded. Was this suppose to be a whole "represent pregnant women!" thing? Something to go with this game's other far-left bullshit? In theory I think that is what they are gunning for but in execution it comes off as dumb and aimed toward people with a fetish for pregnant women.
I haven?t played the game yet but what is this ?other far left shit? you?re referring to? Also I think taking Wolfenstein seriously is just a flawed premise from the outset. The first one was a silly shooter with lasers and space nazi?s and villains named General Dethshead. It had a surprisingly thoughtful protagonist who was almost poetic in a naturalist, John Muir kind of way, but by no means would I call it serious.
 

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PurplePonyArcade said:
Ezekiel said:
What a shitty review. Barely talked about the gameplay.

https://streamable.com/ueohc

Terrible. I can't believe that's the same lady from the last game.
The hell is this? Weird, perhaps a bit amusing but really stupid. Maybe a topless lady gunning down something with an AR in each arm would fit Doom but with Wolfenstein's new identity as a game with a serious story this is, to put it mildly for English speakers, absolutely fucking retarded. Was this suppose to be a whole "represent pregnant women!" thing? Something to go with this game's other far-left bullshit? In theory I think that is what they are gunning for but in execution it comes off as dumb and aimed toward people with a fetish for pregnant women.
In the first level of TNO you had Wyatt destroying a Panzerhund by literally playing fetch with it and the Panzerhund last moments were something out of a cartoon, its not like dumb and campy stuff were absent in the previous game.

PurplePonyArcade said:
I liked her to and this is not Anya. This is a totally different character in a totally different universe where shitty writing
control more of the planet than nazis do.[/quote]

Can you explain to me how this isn't Anya
 

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PurplePonyArcade said:
Ezekiel said:
What a shitty review. Barely talked about the gameplay.

https://streamable.com/ueohc

Terrible. I can't believe that's the same lady from the last game.
The hell is this? Weird, perhaps a bit amusing but really stupid. Maybe a topless lady gunning down something with an AR in each arm would fit Doom but with Wolfenstein's new identity as a game with a serious story this is, to put it mildly for English speakers, absolutely fucking retarded. Was this suppose to be a whole "represent pregnant women!" thing? Something to go with this game's other far-left bullshit? In theory I think that is what they are gunning for but in execution it comes off as dumb and aimed toward people with a fetish for pregnant women.
If you came to this game for "serious story", you're definitely on the wrong boat. An understandable case, since New Order kind of flip flopped between seriousness and the Metal Gear Solid esque alternate history circus, but the second installment is purely in the latter.

Probably the same comparison I'd use for the over-the-top "mature" bits too. The same stuff was in MGS, and probably for the same mix of some writer wanting to see how dramatically edgy they could be and/or stir up chatter over it.