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hanselthecaretaker said:
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hanselthecaretaker said:
The game seems to be pretty big on political undertones, but with the circus vibe they simply don?t end up meaning much of anything. Hopefully for Bethesda?s sake they didn?t plan for them to, because at face value it?s a pretty awful mess. As far as story the game looks to have truly gone off the deep end.
What political "undertones", give me a spoiler/
Ezekiel said:
I just read the plot on Wikipedia. It's bad.
All I got on wikipedia was this

"Following the events of Wolfenstein: The New Order, the Nazi regime has occupied America following their victory of the Second World War. William "B.J." Blazkowicz (Brian Bloom) and the militant resistance are trying to set up a second American Revolution against the Nazi regime. Frau Engel (Nina Franoszek) is hunting Blazkowicz, known to the Nazis as "Terror-Billy", in order to stop the Resistance.[6]"

It doesn't even need a spoiler, as the whole game's plot and everything that comes with it speaks for itself. The black dude banging a fat white chic is the icing on the cake.

Then you have things like the blatant doses of absurd irony [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nipNR5tJ_1w], which seem to more than vaguely be alluding to the whole Trump/Alt Right debacle. Interesting contrast I saw after looking that up [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQdDnbXXn20]

All against a backdrop that is being carried out in Europe as we speak. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvR-9xjzoPg&t=8s]
More irony. Shouldn't even have to read the comments to realize how dire the situation is over there.

Have to wonder why we don't see that side of things in the Stateside media. As Dan Brown said,

History is always written by the winners. When two cultures clash, the loser is obliterated, and the winner writes the history books-books which glorify their own cause and disparage the conquered foe. As Napoleon once said, 'What is history, but a fable agreed upon?
Barely anyone of those things are "Political" and that speech joke is more dumb fun than political undertones"

hanselthecaretaker said:
It's difficult to discern what the developer's aim of that scene was supposed to be, without defaulting to simply "she's a badass pregnant chic".
Well thats their aim whats more to it.

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Of course, it doesn't help that somehow every non favorable comment written about social norms on the internet seems to be automatically interpreted as this [https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/461291105166696448/uL1F8vHE_400x400.jpeg]. If anything it further proves my point of how ridiculous things have gotten.
Thats more on the dumb people who interpert the game more than the game itself its like the equivalent of a feminist getting mad over the "Pedophilla" of Japanese games.
 

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altnameJag said:
And considering I've yet to see the phrase "Wolf2 makes you consider that maybe the Nazis had a point", I'm thinking the story is going to be fine.

you either release copies into the wild with enough time for people to form opinions about it before launch (and time for any sort of Shadow of Mordor fuckery to get revealed), and you let those reviews and impressions go live before the game's release, or you don't get my money.
Wait, you actually thought Wolf2 MIGHT have anything to do with being "pro-Nazi" when the devs talked about how Nazis were like the biggest monsters in all of history and only made them more monstrous in Wolf2?

Didn't Shadow of Mordor loot boxes get revealed before any review copies even went out? I bet in MGS2 happened during this time, people would legitimately complain about Kojima lying to them.
 

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That scene was funny, Anya was a badass throat cutter in the first game too.

Also BJ tanks cutscene injuries like a champ, if he can survive all the shit that happens in the first game, his superbaby can survive the shockwave from a grenade explosion.

Seriously though, it's less than a minute in a game that is supposedly 9-12 hours and very good, is this the hill you want to die on?

Also didn't Serena Williams win the Ausralian open while pregnant? Granted she was only 3 months or so at the time but thats a grueling athletic competition compared to a run and slide tackle. Oh shit, I just started debating realism in the context of a game about Nazi magic and super science, I've let the idiots win.
 

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I bet in MGS2 happened during this time, people would legitimately complain about Kojima lying to them.
...I mean...people did complain about Kojima lying to them. Alot of people were pissed at MGS2 for the Raiden switch which is a big part of why alot of people hate him (Raiden).
 

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Saelune said:
Phoenixmgs said:
I bet in MGS2 happened during this time, people would legitimately complain about Kojima lying to them.
...I mean...people did complain about Kojima lying to them. Alot of people were pissed at MGS2 for the Raiden switch which is a big part of why alot of people hate him (Raiden).
Reviewers also kept it a secret because it really isn't something that should be spoiled IMO. Not knowing the about Raiden beforehand definitely enhanced my experience of the game. You should really just know the most basic premise of the story going into anything, any story beats or twists should not be known.
 

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Ezekiel said:
What a shitty review. Barely talked about the gameplay.

https://streamable.com/ueohc

Terrible. I can't believe that's the same lady from the last game.
The hell is this? Weird, perhaps a bit amusing but really stupid. Maybe a topless lady gunning down something with an AR in each arm would fit Doom but with Wolfenstein's new identity as a game with a serious story this is, to put it mildly for English speakers, absolutely fucking retarded. Was this suppose to be a whole "represent pregnant women!" thing? Something to go with this game's other far-left bullshit? In theory I think that is what they are gunning for but in execution it comes off as dumb and aimed toward people with a fetish for pregnant women.
 

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Ezekiel said:
B-Cell said:
Ezekiel said:
https://streamable.com/ueohc

Terrible. I can't believe that's the same lady from the last game.
this is just so cringe worthy. as a fan of RTCW the real wolfenstein game. i feel really bad. even worse than new order

seriously how can this crap apeal to any one??! I cannot even play this game in a front of anyone.
Also, I don't care about the reason, the jacket being on fire. The reason is only there to justify cheesy nudity. OF COURSE she doesn't wear a bra or shirt beneath. She wouldn't be jumping around like that pregnant anyway. I rather liked her in the last game.

I liked her to and this is not Anya. This is a totally different character in a totally different universe where shitty writing control more of the planet than nazis do.
 

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PurplePonyArcade said:
Ezekiel said:
What a shitty review. Barely talked about the gameplay.

https://streamable.com/ueohc

Terrible. I can't believe that's the same lady from the last game.
The hell is this? Weird, perhaps a bit amusing but really stupid. Maybe a topless lady gunning down something with an AR in each arm would fit Doom but with Wolfenstein's new identity as a game with a serious story this is, to put it mildly for English speakers, absolutely fucking retarded. Was this suppose to be a whole "represent pregnant women!" thing? Something to go with this game's other far-left bullshit? In theory I think that is what they are gunning for but in execution it comes off as dumb and aimed toward people with a fetish for pregnant women.
I haven?t played the game yet but what is this ?other far left shit? you?re referring to? Also I think taking Wolfenstein seriously is just a flawed premise from the outset. The first one was a silly shooter with lasers and space nazi?s and villains named General Dethshead. It had a surprisingly thoughtful protagonist who was almost poetic in a naturalist, John Muir kind of way, but by no means would I call it serious.
 

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PurplePonyArcade said:
Ezekiel said:
What a shitty review. Barely talked about the gameplay.

https://streamable.com/ueohc

Terrible. I can't believe that's the same lady from the last game.
The hell is this? Weird, perhaps a bit amusing but really stupid. Maybe a topless lady gunning down something with an AR in each arm would fit Doom but with Wolfenstein's new identity as a game with a serious story this is, to put it mildly for English speakers, absolutely fucking retarded. Was this suppose to be a whole "represent pregnant women!" thing? Something to go with this game's other far-left bullshit? In theory I think that is what they are gunning for but in execution it comes off as dumb and aimed toward people with a fetish for pregnant women.
In the first level of TNO you had Wyatt destroying a Panzerhund by literally playing fetch with it and the Panzerhund last moments were something out of a cartoon, its not like dumb and campy stuff were absent in the previous game.

PurplePonyArcade said:
I liked her to and this is not Anya. This is a totally different character in a totally different universe where shitty writing
control more of the planet than nazis do.[/quote]

Can you explain to me how this isn't Anya
 

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PurplePonyArcade said:
Ezekiel said:
What a shitty review. Barely talked about the gameplay.

https://streamable.com/ueohc

Terrible. I can't believe that's the same lady from the last game.
The hell is this? Weird, perhaps a bit amusing but really stupid. Maybe a topless lady gunning down something with an AR in each arm would fit Doom but with Wolfenstein's new identity as a game with a serious story this is, to put it mildly for English speakers, absolutely fucking retarded. Was this suppose to be a whole "represent pregnant women!" thing? Something to go with this game's other far-left bullshit? In theory I think that is what they are gunning for but in execution it comes off as dumb and aimed toward people with a fetish for pregnant women.
If you came to this game for "serious story", you're definitely on the wrong boat. An understandable case, since New Order kind of flip flopped between seriousness and the Metal Gear Solid esque alternate history circus, but the second installment is purely in the latter.

Probably the same comparison I'd use for the over-the-top "mature" bits too. The same stuff was in MGS, and probably for the same mix of some writer wanting to see how dramatically edgy they could be and/or stir up chatter over it.
 

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Blood drenched pregnant mama with her chesticles all out blastin away with twin machine guns?

Sexy as f*ck.

Between this quote from the devs
?The only way we can create these super immersive narrative experiences is if we can solely focus on the single-player,?
and this scene, this joint keeps looking better and better.

The first one never caught my eye but I'd pick it up on those two factors alone if I didn't have my hands already full gaming-wise.
 

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Seth Carter said:
PurplePonyArcade said:
Ezekiel said:
What a shitty review. Barely talked about the gameplay.

https://streamable.com/ueohc

Terrible. I can't believe that's the same lady from the last game.
The hell is this? Weird, perhaps a bit amusing but really stupid. Maybe a topless lady gunning down something with an AR in each arm would fit Doom but with Wolfenstein's new identity as a game with a serious story this is, to put it mildly for English speakers, absolutely fucking retarded. Was this suppose to be a whole "represent pregnant women!" thing? Something to go with this game's other far-left bullshit? In theory I think that is what they are gunning for but in execution it comes off as dumb and aimed toward people with a fetish for pregnant women.
If you came to this game for "serious story", you're definitely on the wrong boat. An understandable case, since New Order kind of flip flopped between seriousness and the Metal Gear Solid esque alternate history circus, but the second installment is purely in the latter.

Probably the same comparison I'd use for the over-the-top "mature" bits too. The same stuff was in MGS, and probably for the same mix of some writer wanting to see how dramatically edgy they could be and/or stir up chatter over it.
Fair point but The New Order handles a serious narrative better than Metal Gear ever did. I am not saying it was a great serious story nor was it even my fav of that year but this just seems really awkward as hell.
 

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Ezekiel said:
Azure23 said:
PurplePonyArcade said:
Ezekiel said:
What a shitty review. Barely talked about the gameplay.

https://streamable.com/ueohc

Terrible. I can't believe that's the same lady from the last game.
The hell is this? Weird, perhaps a bit amusing but really stupid. Maybe a topless lady gunning down something with an AR in each arm would fit Doom but with Wolfenstein's new identity as a game with a serious story this is, to put it mildly for English speakers, absolutely fucking retarded. Was this suppose to be a whole "represent pregnant women!" thing? Something to go with this game's other far-left bullshit? In theory I think that is what they are gunning for but in execution it comes off as dumb and aimed toward people with a fetish for pregnant women.
I haven?t played the game yet but what is this ?other far left shit? you?re referring to? Also I think taking Wolfenstein seriously is just a flawed premise from the outset. The first one was a silly shooter with lasers and space nazi?s and villains named General Dethshead. It had a surprisingly thoughtful protagonist who was almost poetic in a naturalist, John Muir kind of way, but by no means would I call it serious.
Like I said, The New Order wasn't this desperate. I know what PurplePony means, and although they maybe didn't word it well and TNO did have silly moments, they're still right. This is retarded. The last game was bearable.
Well thank you, Ezkiel. I am not so good with words I will admit. To answer the previous user I meant the rather in your face Hammer and Sickle American Revolution poster and birthday cap seen in the game(wish I knew how to post links here, urs?kta). That and something about a line like "white ass fascist nazi pig" not being in the trailers like in the game but since I lack citation currently please feel free to call that a load of shit.
 

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PurplePonyArcade said:
If you came to this game for "serious story", you're definitely on the wrong boat. An understandable case, since New Order kind of flip flopped between seriousness and the Metal Gear Solid esque alternate history circus, but the second installment is purely in the latter.

Probably the same comparison I'd use for the over-the-top "mature" bits too. The same stuff was in MGS, and probably for the same mix of some writer wanting to see how dramatically edgy they could be and/or stir up chatter over it.
Fair point but The New Order handles a serious narrative better than Metal Gear ever did. I am not saying it was a great serious story nor was it even my fav of that year but this just seems really awkward as hell.[/quote]

Oh, I'm prettymuch in agreement that the "mature" writing attemtps seem really forced, awkward, cringey, what have you.

The game itself really highlights it, as you replay the intro scene for Deathshead where you have to choose between Fergus and Wyatt again from the last game, which was a well done psychological scene. Then in this game you get Frau Engel's similar scene, where
She cuts off Caroline Beckers head, proceeds to insinuate she and BJ were lovers by making said decapitated head kiss him. Then mocks her own daughter for being overweight and unloved before doing the same to her followed up by simulating fellatio with the decapitated head)
. Its so over-the-top thats its not even particularly offensive, just seeming overdone and desperate to inspire some sort of shock controversy or illustarte how boundary-defying the writer wanted to be.
 

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PurplePonyArcade said:
Ezekiel said:
Azure23 said:
PurplePonyArcade said:
Ezekiel said:
What a shitty review. Barely talked about the gameplay.

https://streamable.com/ueohc

Terrible. I can't believe that's the same lady from the last game.
The hell is this? Weird, perhaps a bit amusing but really stupid. Maybe a topless lady gunning down something with an AR in each arm would fit Doom but with Wolfenstein's new identity as a game with a serious story this is, to put it mildly for English speakers, absolutely fucking retarded. Was this suppose to be a whole "represent pregnant women!" thing? Something to go with this game's other far-left bullshit? In theory I think that is what they are gunning for but in execution it comes off as dumb and aimed toward people with a fetish for pregnant women.
I haven?t played the game yet but what is this ?other far left shit? you?re referring to? Also I think taking Wolfenstein seriously is just a flawed premise from the outset. The first one was a silly shooter with lasers and space nazi?s and villains named General Dethshead. It had a surprisingly thoughtful protagonist who was almost poetic in a naturalist, John Muir kind of way, but by no means would I call it serious.
Like I said, The New Order wasn't this desperate. I know what PurplePony means, and although they maybe didn't word it well and TNO did have silly moments, they're still right. This is retarded. The last game was bearable.
Well thank you, Ezkiel. I am not so good with words I will admit. To answer the previous user I meant the rather in your face Hammer and Sickle American Revolution poster and birthday cap seen in the game(wish I knew how to post links here, urs?kta). That and something about a line like "white ass fascist nazi pig" not being in the trailers like in the game but since I lack citation currently please feel free to call that a load of shit.
1.There is one communist character in the game and B.j doesn't really care much for his views, not really far left and what do you mean birthday cap?
 

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Phoenixmgs said:
altnameJag said:
And considering I've yet to see the phrase "Wolf2 makes you consider that maybe the Nazis had a point", I'm thinking the story is going to be fine.

you either release copies into the wild with enough time for people to form opinions about it before launch (and time for any sort of Shadow of Mordor fuckery to get revealed), and you let those reviews and impressions go live before the game's release, or you don't get my money.
Wait, you actually thought Wolf2 MIGHT have anything to do with being "pro-Nazi" when the devs talked about how Nazis were like the biggest monsters in all of history and only made them more monstrous in Wolf2?
Hi, I've been gaming for decades, I've seen some epic screw ups.
Didn't Shadow of Mordor loot boxes get revealed before any review copies even went out? I bet in MGS2 happened during this time, people would legitimately complain about Kojima lying to them.
That's Shadow of War. Shadow of Mordor was the "we'll give youtube influencers advance copies of the game, but we get to see their videos before they go live, and they can't show off bugs or say negative things in them because contract".

Obviously, said contract got leaked almost immediately, because that's hot garbage.
 

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PapaGreg096 said:
PurplePonyArcade said:
Ezekiel said:
Azure23 said:
PurplePonyArcade said:
Ezekiel said:
What a shitty review. Barely talked about the gameplay.

https://streamable.com/ueohc

Terrible. I can't believe that's the same lady from the last game.
The hell is this? Weird, perhaps a bit amusing but really stupid. Maybe a topless lady gunning down something with an AR in each arm would fit Doom but with Wolfenstein's new identity as a game with a serious story this is, to put it mildly for English speakers, absolutely fucking retarded. Was this suppose to be a whole "represent pregnant women!" thing? Something to go with this game's other far-left bullshit? In theory I think that is what they are gunning for but in execution it comes off as dumb and aimed toward people with a fetish for pregnant women.
I haven?t played the game yet but what is this ?other far left shit? you?re referring to? Also I think taking Wolfenstein seriously is just a flawed premise from the outset. The first one was a silly shooter with lasers and space nazi?s and villains named General Dethshead. It had a surprisingly thoughtful protagonist who was almost poetic in a naturalist, John Muir kind of way, but by no means would I call it serious.
Like I said, The New Order wasn't this desperate. I know what PurplePony means, and although they maybe didn't word it well and TNO did have silly moments, they're still right. This is retarded. The last game was bearable.

Well thank you, Ezkiel. I am not so good with words I will admit. To answer the previous user I meant the rather in your face Hammer and Sickle American Revolution poster and birthday cap seen in the game(wish I knew how to post links here, urs?kta). That and something about a line like "white ass fascist nazi pig" not being in the trailers like in the game but since I lack citation currently please feel free to call that a load of shit.
1.There is one communist character in the game and B.j doesn't really care much for his views, not really far left and what do you mean birthday cap?
Might just be called a "party cap". I do apologize for any confusion. The Hammer and Sickle cap during the scene where they all have one and declare they'll shot nazis until they run out of bullets. One could say that goes with whatever occasional silly factor ID games tend to have even though its no longer and ID property. That said it is awfully convenient of him to have a USSR party cap. I really want to say its all coincidence, really. I would even like to say its both coincidence and it reminds me of that one 4chan "communist party" image. I hate taking political sides and also hate making accusations relating to such but it sort of comes off that way. Comes off as a mess either way.
Also Escapist does not recognize umlauts lol.
 

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altnameJag said:
Phoenixmgs said:
altnameJag said:
And considering I've yet to see the phrase "Wolf2 makes you consider that maybe the Nazis had a point", I'm thinking the story is going to be fine.

you either release copies into the wild with enough time for people to form opinions about it before launch (and time for any sort of Shadow of Mordor fuckery to get revealed), and you let those reviews and impressions go live before the game's release, or you don't get my money.
Wait, you actually thought Wolf2 MIGHT have anything to do with being "pro-Nazi" when the devs talked about how Nazis were like the biggest monsters in all of history and only made them more monstrous in Wolf2?
Hi, I've been gaming for decades, I've seen some epic screw ups.
Didn't Shadow of Mordor loot boxes get revealed before any review copies even went out? I bet in MGS2 happened during this time, people would legitimately complain about Kojima lying to them.
That's Shadow of War. Shadow of Mordor was the "we'll give youtube influencers advance copies of the game, but we get to see their videos before they go live, and they can't show off bugs or say negative things in them because contract".

Obviously, said contract got leaked almost immediately, because that's hot garbage.
I thought WB was a lot more forceful and aggressive with Youtubers? Oh well I am always up for learning more.
 

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Ezekiel said:
What a shitty review. Barely talked about the gameplay.

https://streamable.com/ueohc

Terrible. I can't believe that's the same lady from the last game.
Well, that certainly set the tone of the whole affair quite efficiently. That tone is Bonkers McMad bastard, but it sets it well enough.