World of Warcraft bashers

[Gamer101]

Personally I don't like MMORPGs because I believe you should only have to pay once to play a game...but that's just me

Interestingly, I found any argument complaining about the price faulty, because I look at it like this.

I buy the game, and play it for a month. That's 65 dollars. That's about the price of a PS3 or XBox360 game.

I play for two months. That's 80 dollars for two months. That's less than the price of two games for any system. Even if you buy a new game only once every three months, you still can't beat the price, and if you go for the long subscription you pay 12 dollars a month. Assuming you are still accessing new content (and there is always more to see) you are fine, and honestly, if you are willing to play a different game multiple times, this is even better.

That's an interesting thought when u break the #s down like that vs. console games. I always thought the expense was high, but really it comes out to 1 console game every 4 months (15 X 4), or roughly 3 games a year. Not bad when you compare it like that.

 

[stormcaller]

Why do people hate WoW you ask?

Well IMHO, because it sucks. You will probably say "well look at all the subscriptions" and I say 80% of the player base is 13 and under and that sort of crap appeals to children and some adults. WoW is just crap.

Boy, would you be wrong.

As to the topic at hand, I think a lot of it is knee-jerk reaction, either from the idea of an MMO or from stereotypes that aren't entirely accurate most of the time. Are there people who are horribly addicted to WoW? Of course. Is it perfectly possible to play it, to see most of the content, and still maintain a life? Absolutely. Blizzard has made a game that you don't have to slave yourself to in order to get ahead - of course, some people do anyway.

That said, I truly believe that WoW is the pinnacle of modern MMORPG design (not that there aren't some great other games out there, but Blizzard is a developer on an entirely different level) and - particularly in its current WotLK incarnation - one of the best games ever made. Having met quite a few people on the WoW team this past October at Blizzcon (and visiting the Blizzard studios)... these people take incredible pride in what they do.

Does the game fall short at points? You bet - no game is perfect, and juggling 11.5 million players who all want something completely different out of the title is a feat for even a developer as talented and dedicated as Blizzard.

But there's so much excellence there it makes the shortcomings worth it.

Of course a WoW lover has to come to defend the game for an honest opinion of mine.

The game sucks flat out. Like I said the player base is mainly children or people who dont know what a good game is. The only reason wow does good is because it appeals to people with the hard on for elves, orcs, and dwarfs. Now I'm sorry but that stuff is completly stupid. WoW is NOT the pinacle of MMO design, if it was I WOULD BE PLAYING IT. The game is completly stupid. The combat system is stupid, the loot system is stupid, the environment is stupid. The crafting system is stupid. I think I would rather shove railroad spikes through my ears, dip my feet in acid, and listen to Mr Rodgers telling me about his special friend all day then play WoW ever again. Enjoy your World of Failcraft.

Your level...I'm not going to stoop to it.

The game sucks flat out? That's it no explanation? if you want to have an opinion that you want to share with people then provide evidence or examples.

As I already told you I'm the youngest (or very close by months) of a very large guild. "The hard" for elves, orcs and dwarves you say? I'm pretty sure dwarves have it hard for themselves (Stoneform!) but apart from stupidity are you saying that anyone that has enjoyed any tolkien-esque fantasy has it "hard" for the fantastical and mythical races involved?

WoW may not be the pinnacle of MMO design but it certainly set a high standard for others to attempt to achieve and thus far not many have even come close. Have you considered WoW is may be just not your "thing"?

The combat system is stupid? different strokes on this one I like it because I don't have to be pre-occupied with attacking each time and having to make sure I'm using abilities potions/whatever. The loot system works very well and with the Need/greed makes it easy to decide qho wants what for what reason, the only general flaw in this is peopl ruining the system ex: Ninjas, or in my case I accidentally gave an item to the wrong person. Crafting in WoW creates a good mix of Gatherer/Maker professions and balances out the economy with Materials and Products. The environment escpecially in Wrath of the Lich King is brilliantly made for what is now an aging engine and balances out it's lack of raw graphical power with beatiful art direction (the amount of times I've died by just letting my eyes wonder around patrol creatures).

If you really would rather doing that, then by all means I wish you luck.

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

People bash WoW because it is the largest, best known MMO, and more importantly it is the "generic" MMO. Making fun of something popular is seen as any easy way to be seen as "cool".

Sometimes people do it because they support a different MMO. I personally really enjoyed Eve, because in spite of what some say it IS a bit different than the other offerings - but at the same time I know that it clearly isn't for everyone (Eve's 250,000 subscribers are but a drop in the bucket compared to WoW's 11,500,000 or so subscribers).

If I were to bash WoW, it would be mostly a rant against the player stereotypes. Often WoW player seem to be fairly young and immature, and when I did play I found most of them to be irritating. But, by the same token I've known jerkbags in almost every game I've ever played so there isn't anything radical about pointing out there presence in one of the most popular games of all time.

 

[Excelcior]

*snipity snip*

No you WoW lovers already lost once this thread was created.

Look, that you don't like a game doesn't mean anyone who plays it is an idiot. Have you ever played it? And if not, how do you know anything about the loot system, combat and other things? Or do you have some sort of telepathic extrasensory organ?

 

[John Funk]

Of course a WoW lover has to come to defend the game for an honest opinion of mine.

The game sucks flat out. Like I said the player base is mainly children or people who dont know what a good game is. The only reason wow does good is because it appeals to people with the hard on for elves, orcs, and dwarfs. Now I'm sorry but that stuff is completly stupid. WoW is NOT the pinacle of MMO design, if it was I WOULD BE PLAYING IT. The game is completly stupid. The combat system is stupid, the loot system is stupid, the environment is stupid. The crafting system is stupid. I think I would rather shove railroad spikes through my ears, dip my feet in acid, and listen to Mr Rodgers telling me about his special friend all day then play WoW ever again. Enjoy your World of Failcraft.

I think you're misunderstanding what exactly I was responding to in your post - the claim that 80% of the playerbase is under 13, to be precise. In four years of playing WoW, I've met one 13-year-old, and that's it. I've also met librarians, state prosecutors, FBI agents, et al. Of course, anecdotal evidence =/= actual fact, but I'd be very surprised if the median age for WoW weren't college-age or older.

Also, my, we have a tendency to confuse one's own tastes (whether or not you like fantasy settings with elves, orcs, and dwarves is completely up to you) with fact, don't we? Then again, given that your argument essentially boils down to calling everything "stupid" repeatedly...

At any rate, you're perfectly free to not like the game. I play MMOs and write about them for a living, and WoW happens to be, I believe, as good as they get right now. There are other fantastic MMOs out there - LotRO, WAR, EVE, just to name a few - but WoW is a triumph of game design.

I will caution you, however - at The Escapist, while we welcome disagreement, we stress respectful disagreement. If you can't argue without resulting to flaming, then it won't be long before you won't be arguing at all.

Also, Mr. Rogers was an amazing man. Just for the record.

I WILL enjoy my World of Failcraft, thanks for asking

 

[The_Prophet]

I play WoW too and I don't see any reason to hate it

 

[stormcaller]

*snipity snip*

No you WoW lovers already lost once this thread was created.

Amazing your replies decrease in intelligence with each post, let me guess you didn't bother reading it did you? or if you did you got to the point where you realised I'm not on your side and must of said to yourself "O RELLY? tis noob is wrong I dun giv a crp what he thinks he iz just so wroooong and I am right and teh uber leetzorz! happy face" and in then case I am going to deny your existence.

So farewell I shall see you again, never.

Also thanks to Excelcior for snipping that down, cheers.

 

[Archaeology Hat]

According to a survey (anecdotal evidence, take with a pinch of salt) A significant majority of WoW players are around the age of 20 (18-22ish).

 

[Credge]

WoW is extremly social really though, your communicating and spending time with other people, sure it's over the internet, but your still doing it.

MMO's can be social, but it doesn't mean your average person is social while playing them.

 

[electric discordian]

Hmm Wow bashing is such an easy sport isn't it. I love wow I have played many different MMo's but never found the same connection with any of them. It is as a friend of mine stated 3d Runescape and as such shouldn't interest me but it does with a passion?

Why do I like it no idea, it started with all my friends doing it, i was on Guild WARS before peer pressure got me into the hard stuff and Now Im addicted to the hard stuff!

On the subject of people dying playing the game, I think natural selection by MMO is as valid a form of social weeding as anything.

But all joking aside they have been working hard to stop this being just a grind WOTLK has brought in some new interesting ideas and unfortunately a raft of ill mannered stupid teenagers with no sense of humour and the vocabulary of a mentally handicapped Baboon.

I am both pro and anti the game simultaneously, but I speak as a player with valid concerns born of the game changing on me not a person who finds the phrase world of failcraft amusing and knocks mmos to make themselves feel a tad less nerdy.

 

[John Funk]

*snipity snip*

No you WoW lovers already lost once this thread was created.

Look, that you don't like a game doesn't mean anyone who plays it is an idiot. Have you ever played it? And if not, how do you know anything about the loot system, combat and other things? Or do you have some sort of telepathic extrasensory organ?

Hmm I dunno maybe that, I played the game.

Again, Railroad spikes, Acid, Mr Rogers.

Again with the Mr. Rogers bashing. I submit that you don't know what that man was actually like.

 

[DirkGently]

WoW is a fairly decent RPG, even if the classes can be horribly unbalanced.

 

[Gamer101]

It's such a good, feeling, to know your alive.
It's such a happy, feeling, to play it online.
And when you log on, happy, to say -
I'm gonna level my dwarf, today.

It's such a good feeling.
A very good feeling.
To see Leeroy Jenkins, survive.



sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[John Funk]

*snipity snip*

No you WoW lovers already lost once this thread was created.

Look, that you don't like a game doesn't mean anyone who plays it is an idiot. Have you ever played it? And if not, how do you know anything about the loot system, combat and other things? Or do you have some sort of telepathic extrasensory organ?

Hmm I dunno maybe that, I played the game.

Again, Railroad spikes, Acid, Mr Rogers.

Again with the Mr. Rogers bashing. I submit that you don't know what that man was actually like.

Um very, VERY creepy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXEuEUQIP3Q

You and I have very different definitions of "Creepy" then.

 

[Bored Tomatoe]

I wasnt refering to any bashing to any threads, but you can already see people dont like them.
Yahtzee himself has a hate for them.
I wouldnt call Wow "life draining"
I dont know where you find these people

Yahtzee hates pretty much everything...