would you ever become vegan?
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Being a vegan is a good thing, but even after watching shows like Dr. Oz, yes it helps your health, but when you love to cook, you discover a whole new world of taste you can't pass. And you cannot change some people's habits.
For me, it is the personal different taste of each one of us that makes our world's multiculturalism so special.
For me, it is the personal different taste of each one of us that makes our world's multiculturalism so special.
No, it's very difficult to do correctly, and can be very, VERY unhealthy if you don't watch every bite of what you're eating. You have to be so careful to ensure that you're getting everything your body needs, and it's very easy to miss out on key nutrients, especially if you don't have the money to pay for the expensive supplement pills.
If someone wants to do it, fine. But I'll stick with my meat and dairy. As far as weight loss, as long as you eat in moderation, choose naturally lean meats (beware of any meat that says it is more than 95% lean. Think of the steroids it must have had), low fat/fat free dairy, and other healthy choices, there is nothing wrong with them.
If someone wants to do it, fine. But I'll stick with my meat and dairy. As far as weight loss, as long as you eat in moderation, choose naturally lean meats (beware of any meat that says it is more than 95% lean. Think of the steroids it must have had), low fat/fat free dairy, and other healthy choices, there is nothing wrong with them.
I do know 'the first thing' about biology, but the things you name, Kreb's cycle and all that, aren't what matter in this discussion, you're approaching it from the wrong angle. Yeah, humans and deer share bio-chemical pathways, but we're still not build the same. Humans are not build to live on a herbivore diet, we never were herbivores, that's a simple fact.thethingthatlurks said:
The only reason people can safely live on a vegan diet is because of our food technology and scientific knowledge, yet you say you can ignore all those advances ('forego technology') and live like a deer. You say you can do something Homo Sapiens has never done, not even when their bodies were a lot more attuned to eating things we couldn't bare to digest, when they actually lived on a natural, gathering diet, something is very different nowadays which has it's effects on our bodies too. You say you can do something your body simply isn't made for. It makes no sense whatsoever.
As good as I could with plants, it's the same story there. Good luck picking the right berries, as they're pretty much all brightly coloured.
Make sure you consult a dietitian. I can't stand the militant smug douche version of vegans that think that just because they eat green shit, they're "healthy." (note: I'm aware it's a vocal minority - I have no problem with veganism, it's a freaking personal choice)
As for me, I just polished off two steaks. For every animal you don't eat, I'll eat two.
As for me, I just polished off two steaks. For every animal you don't eat, I'll eat two.
Uhm, same metabolic cycles imply similar nutrient needs, the closer related to another species we are, the more overlap there is. Not only are humans perfectly able to live a herbivore diet, our entire digestive system is better suited for that than for an carnivore diet. Now that's a simple fact. You're right though, humans were never 100% herbivore, which is why we have the rather limited ability to digest meat (limited when compared to true carnivores).Cowabungaa said:
And why pray tell is my body not suited for living an herbivore diet? Show me some evidence, scientific papers, text books, etc.
Wait, you think I would go by color to distinguish between edible and toxic? Fat chance, I've learned to ignore that over the course of my chemistry education. For example, two compounds I've come across recently are both blue, the same shade even. The difference is, one compound will kill you in a about a minute, while the other is essentially harmless.
No, I'd observe which animals eat what, and take it from there with a small sample at once to minimize risk.
NOO honestly i am getting tired of the herbavore vs omnivore human diet threads (although you actually mentioning vegan as becoming an herbavore is refreshing) i'll lay my beliefs. the human body requires a certain amount of different nutrients some are easily found in vegies or fruits but rarely in meats and vise versa therefor the easiest way to get good nutrition is by eating all of the four major food groups (or taking supplements but those can get expensive) as long as it is balanced and honestly to my tastes veges are horrible lettuce sprays liquids in my mouth causing me to vomit (or are so soggy i can't tell if it hasn't gone bad) any many others are worse for water content i still don't understand how people can have tomato on there food but that is personal taste, my cousin has a stomach condition that does not allow her to eat red meat.
tl;dr?
omnivore is the easiest way to get the nutrients needed by the human body
tl;dr?
omnivore is the easiest way to get the nutrients needed by the human body
No, because I simply would not enjoy my food. I love meat, and not just that, avoiding dairy products too? And anything with egg in it? I just simply wouldn't be able to cope leaving purely on plants.
Don't get me wrong, I like some veggies, but on the side of something meaty.
Don't get me wrong, I like some veggies, but on the side of something meaty.
ok i'm sure buddy knows that a human is not a carnivore it's an obviouse fact what he's saying is that our bodies are meant for an OMNIVOROUS diet since we can get nutrients from meat and since many humans like the taste why should we throw it out it would be like removing windows from your house and replacing it with clear plastic wrap you can do it but it would be pointless and more troublesome.thethingthatlurks said:
Only if they made a vegan friendly steak that actually tastes like steak.
And veggie gravy that dosnt taste of ass.
And veggie gravy that dosnt taste of ass.
Because human physiology isn't made for it. We don't have a digestive tract made for a herbivore diet either, it's way too short to properly extract all the energy you can get from it. It's all nice from a bio-chemical point of view, and yeah bio-chemically we work around the same, but there are stark differences in physiology. Look at a gorilla, a herbivore primate. Look at his gut. We don't have that. We're suited for an omnivoric hunter-scavenger-gathering diet, that's what our natural shtick is. Again, you're approaching this from the wrong angle, there's a lot more to diet than bio-chemistry, you seem to forget that.thethingthatlurks said:
Doesn't work all that well. Lots of herbivores eat plants humans can't digest properly. We can do fuck-all with cellulose.
For the powahz from Scot Pilgrim, I would. But honestly, I don't believe that the moral or health arguments hold. Life involves the eating of other animals;
Not in a billion years. We're not herbivores and we NEED stuff that can only be found in meat for a perfectly kick-ass life. Also, I'm not into being too skinny.
It might make sense for people with health problems that make them meat-intolerant, but that's the only reason someone should go for it. OR if ya really cannot afford meat ... at all.
But ethical reasons? Baaah, that's bullshit propaganda farted out by gullible vegans that feel superior to us meat eaters. Animals get torn to shreds, literally, by the machines during the harvests of whatever beans and weeds vegans eat, so they die in horrible circumstances, sometimes paralyzed by pure fear, as opposed to a bullet/axe/hammer/whatever in their heads in the slaughterhouses.
Also, lacking some of the stuff only found in meat makes you a lot more susceptible to certain health problems, diseases and whatnot; you'll even have less physical strength.
And last but not least, yeah, you will devolve into a my-farts-smell-better-than-yours kinda guy ...
It might make sense for people with health problems that make them meat-intolerant, but that's the only reason someone should go for it. OR if ya really cannot afford meat ... at all.
But ethical reasons? Baaah, that's bullshit propaganda farted out by gullible vegans that feel superior to us meat eaters. Animals get torn to shreds, literally, by the machines during the harvests of whatever beans and weeds vegans eat, so they die in horrible circumstances, sometimes paralyzed by pure fear, as opposed to a bullet/axe/hammer/whatever in their heads in the slaughterhouses.
Also, lacking some of the stuff only found in meat makes you a lot more susceptible to certain health problems, diseases and whatnot; you'll even have less physical strength.
And last but not least, yeah, you will devolve into a my-farts-smell-better-than-yours kinda guy ...
Not in a billion years. We're not herbivores and we NEED stuff that can only be found in meat for a perfectly kick-ass life. Also, I'm not into being too skinny.
It might make sense for people with health problems that make them meat-intolerant, but that's the only reason someone should go for it. OR if ya really cannot afford meat ... at all.
But ethical reasons? Baaah, that's bullshit propaganda farted out by gullible vegans that feel superior to us meat eaters. Animals get torn to shreds, literally, by the machines during the harvests of whatever beans and weeds vegans eat, so they die in horrible circumstances, sometimes paralyzed by pure fear, as opposed to a bullet/axe/hammer/whatever in their heads in the slaughterhouses.
Also, lacking some of the stuff only found in meat makes you a lot more susceptible to certain health problems, diseases and whatnot. Even your bone structure and muscles will weaken.
And last but not least, yeah, you will devolve into a my-farts-smell-better-than-yours kinda guy ...
It might make sense for people with health problems that make them meat-intolerant, but that's the only reason someone should go for it. OR if ya really cannot afford meat ... at all.
But ethical reasons? Baaah, that's bullshit propaganda farted out by gullible vegans that feel superior to us meat eaters. Animals get torn to shreds, literally, by the machines during the harvests of whatever beans and weeds vegans eat, so they die in horrible circumstances, sometimes paralyzed by pure fear, as opposed to a bullet/axe/hammer/whatever in their heads in the slaughterhouses.
Also, lacking some of the stuff only found in meat makes you a lot more susceptible to certain health problems, diseases and whatnot. Even your bone structure and muscles will weaken.
And last but not least, yeah, you will devolve into a my-farts-smell-better-than-yours kinda guy ...
