Xbox One "Will Do Very Little" Without Day-One Patch

[FalloutJack]

Heh

Well, looks like someone doesn't have their finger on the hub of how fanbases react. Point of order, abbreviated end of civilization: Fans react poorly when their favorite thing doesn't continue well or at all because the company making the thing screws it up. D'you know what that is? That's getting shafted. Everyone else gets a new generation of stuff that might be worth buying, but if yours doesn't, then your gaming hobby has a problem. X-Box fans are not, buy in large, feeling very happy right now because of this. They're shafted because their new system is a glorified doorstop.

 

[theApoc]

Me, PS4 fanboy? Please stop associating me with peasants good sir!

Now that we got that out of the way....

Either you prove that PS4 cannot play games without an update or you stop saying that. Just because you repeat it, it does not become true.
Playing single player games are intended to be played without internet connection. If it is not - the game is broken by design.
Yes, Xbox is broken by design, which is why it recieves so much hate. PS4 however CAN play games without internet, which makes the problem less relevant.

Your misconception is that you consider any network equivalent of Internet connection. IT IS NOT. cellular network nor radio waves are nowhere close to internet connection. Besides, TV wont demand you to have antenna. you can do anything you want with it even if you dont have it. Like, for example, play console games without internet.
Oh wait, you cant anymore.
No, i am suggesting that being able to operate something at 25% without internet connection is better than being able to operate something at 0% without internet connection just because the makers decided to put arbitrry limitations (broken by design).
Yes, it will do more with internet, the problem is, Xbox wont do anything without internet.
"simply connecting" is a fallacy to begin with. there is nothing simple about connecting to internet, and jsut because most service prividers hide it all does not mean its not there.
And yes, my phone works without cellular connection and it has worked for years without internet connection. My TV hasnt had a cable in it for 5 years till i finally plugged it in this year. and it worked as good as ever. and i watched TV shows on it. Its just that imput was different - you know, the one that i prefer, not the one the manufacturer forced me into.

Edit: actually, i found proof you were wrong about PS4
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2427050,00.asp

I never said it couldn't play games. I said the games and the PS4 would not be 100% functional without it. I also said that working and being fully functional are two different things. My point being, why would you pay for something you cannot get 100% out of. So you don't care about online play, media, updates, dlc, etc. $400 is pretty steep for JUST a game console.

For the last time, the XBOX One is not a game console. They have said it, the marketing has said it, the features say it. Games are not its primary function, the device needs an update to allow it to be taken offline as this was not its intended usage.

I did not say the Internet was equivalent to a network. I said a network is required for pretty much every interconnected device to work. You cannot, at all, make a phone call, without a network. If your phone had radio capability it could be used as a walkie talkie, beyond that it would be useless. your TV, cannot, do anything, without being connected to Something else. Period.

The XBOX was designed to be online. They decided to not do this due to public stupidity and complaints, it needs to be patched to accommodate. Nothing crazy or unsavory about it. They are changing its intended usage, foolishly IMO but they are changing it none the less.

 

[theApoc]

Heh

Well, looks like someone doesn't have their finger on the hub of how fanbases react. Point of order, abbreviated end of civilization: Fans react poorly when their favorite thing doesn't continue well or at all because the company making the thing screws it up. D'you know what that is? That's getting shafted. Everyone else gets a new generation of stuff that might be worth buying, but if yours doesn't, then your gaming hobby has a problem. X-Box fans are not, buy in large, feeling very happy right now because of this. They're shafted because their new system is a glorified doorstop.

No it isn't. It needs an update, just like every other system that will be released over the next X amount of years, just like every other last gen System did. These are software based machines, companies update the software all the time, that is actually good for the consumer.

In 10 minutes after opening the thing it will do everything it was intended to do. The only way any of you would have a leg to stand on in terms of complaints is if there wasn't a patch, and MS was telling everyone "better luck next time"

 

[FalloutJack]

Zoop

Okay, young man, I'm going to have to return your paper with a D-minus. You haven't done the research, your format doesn't conform to the MLA standard, and you have no bibliography. And if I weren't such a decent professor, I'd fail you from the course for plagiarism, because you're clearly just towing the company line, not giving us a different nuance to the class.

Let me explainitude something, alternate-form-of-ragnarok. You're patently glossing over the people who are already dissatisfied with the news they here, and completely not caring about those who would be misinformed or, in fact, uninformed. Truth is, you're probably helping Microsoft get away with bad shit that nobody should have to endure by trying to argue in favor of them. Fortunately, this is a room full of skeptics.

Your argument is that everything is sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows. Are you AWARE of how many people will have a helluva time getting their fragging update, that number being among those who even have the capability to? Bandwidth issues, account issues, net browser issues, hardware issues, server issues... Does Diablo III mean nothing to you? I've got so many legs to stand on here that I'm a frigging centipede.

Bottom line, you're pulling an Orth, man. You're showing them an unreasonable situation and saying 'Deal with it'. Well, tough. We don't have to, and I hope the bottom falls out of Microsoft's interest in consoles for it. The writing on the wall is that this X-Bone steak is not fit for consumption, that it even emits a nasty smell.

By all means, please go on about how all the things that lots of people are hating are perfectly acceptable. Tell us about the 'features', which clearly show that this console is still going to be exactly the bad thing we heard it was when it was originally announced, because those guys just don't know what the hell they're doing.

I'm sure someone will buy into it, but it won't be...

The army (or similar military branch),
People with poor or net connections,
All the people interested in the PS4,
Most anyone in Japan,
and probably the bulk of this board.

 

[theApoc]

Zoop

Okay, young man, I'm going to have to return your paper with a D-minus. You haven't done the research, your format doesn't conform to the MLA standard, and you have no bibliography. And if I weren't such a decent professor, I'd fail you from the course for plagiarism, because you're clearly just towing the company line, not giving us a different nuance to the class.

Let me explainitude something, alternate-form-of-ragnarok. You're patently glossing over the people who are already dissatisfied with the news they here, and completely not caring about those who would be misinformed or, in fact, uninformed. Truth is, you're probably helping Microsoft get away with bad shit that nobody should have to endure by trying to argue in favor of them. Fortunately, this is a room full of skeptics.

Your argument is that everything is sunshine, lollipops, and rainbows. Are you AWARE of how many people will have a helluva time getting their fragging update, that number being among those who even have the capability to? Bandwidth issues, account issues, net browser issues, hardware issues, server issues... Does Diablo III mean nothing to you? I've got so many legs to stand on here that I'm a frigging centipede.

Bottom line, you're pulling an Orth, man. You're showing them an unreasonable situation and saying 'Deal with it'. Well, tough. We don't have to, and I hope the bottom falls out of Microsoft's interest in consoles for it. The writing on the wall is that this X-Bone steak is not fit for consumption, that it even emits a nasty smell.

By all means, please go on about how all the things that lots of people are hating are perfectly acceptable. Tell us about the 'features', which clearly show that this console is still going to be exactly the bad thing we heard it was when it was originally announced, because those guys just don't know what the hell they're doing.

I'm sure someone will buy into it, but it won't be...

The army (or similar military branch),
People with poor or net connections,
All the people interested in the PS4,
Most anyone in Japan,
and probably the bulk of this board.

Sigh. I absolutely love when someone posts a long drawn out reply completely ignoring the point.

First of all, XBL has doubled in the past 3 years to nearly 60% of the people using a 360. The link to that stat along with an article detailing why MS AND Sony went in this direction for next gen is somewhere in this post. XBL is an ONLINE service, and 60% of the people using an XBOX have accounts. That means, more people are using it ONLINE than off.

Still with me?

XBOX 360 will be supported for many years to come, also stated by MS. So in essence, NOTHING is being lost for the existing customers, nothing. Will there be next gen exclusives? Of course. But the XBOX One, was ALWAYS presented as a media device and was intended to function with an internet connection. Being upset about it needing internet connectivity, or more specifically a patch to remove it's internet connectivity requirement, which was added AFTER the fact to appease the Luddites who are missing the point of this device entirely, is also NOT a bad thing.

There is no one forcing people to get a new console, most games will be released for both and XBL will continue to function on both platforms.

There is nothing to "deal with" here. You can be an early adopter and get the patch, or you can wait for the next round of devices which I am betting, will be up to date, making your argument and everyone else's complaints moot.

It's a patch. At most(and I am adding a lot of projected time here) an hour of someones time and they are good to go. Does that fact negate the quality of the device in the long run, um nope. Being upset at this is the equivalent of buying an HDTV and being upset that it won't be HD using standard video cables. You guys are seriously complaining about a non issue for ANYONE who knows anything about the device.

 

[FalloutJack]

doink

I'm sorry, end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it-and-I'm-just-fine, but the point has clearly been missed by you AND Microsoft. Take note of how the crowd feels, gauge what they want, and THEN decide on a course of action. This thread denies your line of thinking, and not without good reason, but you choose to behave like we're the odd ones. Well, I can't defend you from the consortium beating you into the ground with the logic you decide to be unfounded. You will not be convinced, so I believe that's enough said. However, by that token, you can now do us the similar service and quit trying to convince us of something we do not believe, merely because we won't see it your way.

 

[Strazdas]

I never said it couldn't play games.

Really?

You CANNOT play the full games on a PS4 without connecting.

My point being, why would you pay for something you cannot get 100% out of. So you don't care about online play, media, updates, dlc, etc. $400 is pretty steep for JUST a game console.

Two reasons:
A lot of people paid 400 dollars for JUST a game console in the past.
There are no other options if you only want a game console.

For the last time, the XBOX One is not a game console. They have said it, the marketing has said it, the features say it. Games are not its primary function, the device needs an update to allow it to be taken offline as this was not its intended usage.

Yes it is. And even if Microsfot themselves claimed it is not - they were wrong. Xbox One is a game console who seems to have forgotten that to attract... i dont know people who want to pay 400 more for TV or something. If it was not intended usage to be used offline then the device was broken by design.

I did not say the Internet was equivalent to a network. I said a network is required for pretty much every interconnected device to work. You cannot, at all, make a phone call, without a network. If your phone had radio capability it could be used as a walkie talkie, beyond that it would be useless. your TV, cannot, do anything, without being connected to Something else. Period.

And light bulb cannot work without electricity. Internet however are NOT something you cannot work without. Microsoft however tried to trick us into thinking it is. Yes, internet is not same as network, and yet you keep bringing examples of network as if they were examples of internet. you yourself claim that your examples are worthless, nice.

The XBOX was designed to be online. They decided to not do this due to public stupidity and complaints, it needs to be patched to accommodate. Nothing crazy or unsavory about it. They are changing its intended usage, foolishly IMO but they are changing it none the less.

Yes, it was designed to be broken. When people caleld out on it, they promised to fix it. They didnt.

 

[theApoc]

doink

I'm sorry, end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it-and-I'm-just-fine, but the point has clearly been missed by you AND Microsoft. Take note of how the crowd feels, gauge what they want, and THEN decide on a course of action. This thread denies your line of thinking, and not without good reason, but you choose to behave like we're the odd ones. Well, I can't defend you from the consortium beating you into the ground with the logic you decide to be unfounded. You will not be convinced, so I believe that's enough said. However, by that token, you can now do us the similar service and quit trying to convince us of something we do not believe, merely because we won't see it your way.

This thread and this site represent an insignificant amount of MS's user base.

I don't need a defense because I will state the FACTS one last time. More people use the 360 online than off. The growth has been exponential in the past 3 years, there is NO reason for MS to think this trend won't continue. So making a console that is designed for online use is a no brainer.

I am not trying to convince you of anything. I don't care what you think about MS. The facts are the facts. And your complaints will have no impact on MS or the XBOX One. You represent an irrelevant minority who are whining about a non issue.

 

[theApoc]

I never said it couldn't play games.

Really?

You CANNOT play the full games on a PS4 without connecting.

My point being, why would you pay for something you cannot get 100% out of. So you don't care about online play, media, updates, dlc, etc. $400 is pretty steep for JUST a game console.

Two reasons:
A lot of people paid 400 dollars for JUST a game console in the past.
There are no other options if you only want a game console.

For the last time, the XBOX One is not a game console. They have said it, the marketing has said it, the features say it. Games are not its primary function, the device needs an update to allow it to be taken offline as this was not its intended usage.

Yes it is. And even if Microsfot themselves claimed it is not - they were wrong. Xbox One is a game console who seems to have forgotten that to attract... i dont know people who want to pay 400 more for TV or something. If it was not intended usage to be used offline then the device was broken by design.

I did not say the Internet was equivalent to a network. I said a network is required for pretty much every interconnected device to work. You cannot, at all, make a phone call, without a network. If your phone had radio capability it could be used as a walkie talkie, beyond that it would be useless. your TV, cannot, do anything, without being connected to Something else. Period.

And light bulb cannot work without electricity. Internet however are NOT something you cannot work without. Microsoft however tried to trick us into thinking it is. Yes, internet is not same as network, and yet you keep bringing examples of network as if they were examples of internet. you yourself claim that your examples are worthless, nice.

The XBOX was designed to be online. They decided to not do this due to public stupidity and complaints, it needs to be patched to accommodate. Nothing crazy or unsavory about it. They are changing its intended usage, foolishly IMO but they are changing it none the less.

Yes, it was designed to be broken. When people caleld out on it, they promised to fix it. They didnt.

Yeah, nothing you said is correct. Therefore by default you and your non points win. Go you.

 

[KarmaTheAlligator]

I'm amazed at the people here seeing nothing wrong with this. The box itself is shipping with an incomplete OS, and people are OK with that? Really? Why couldn't MS wait until they were done with the thing before shipping it?

 

[FalloutJack]

Zip

Sorry, end-times, but the facts were on my side and the thread bears it out. And you are being decidedly rude. That will stop immediately.

 

[theApoc]

Zip

Sorry, end-times, but the facts were on my side and the thread bears it out. And you are being decidedly rude. That will stop immediately.

Um, you didn't present any facts at all? And calling you out on it is not rude LOL.

 

[FalloutJack]

Zip

Sorry, end-times, but the facts were on my side and the thread bears it out. And you are being decidedly rude. That will stop immediately.

Um, you didn't present any facts at all? And calling you out on it is not rude LOL.

You already got one warning in this thread. You've been steadily talked to by a number of people with the facts and you ignored all of them. And yes, you were very rude. I suggest you stop now.

 

[theApoc]

Zip

Sorry, end-times, but the facts were on my side and the thread bears it out. And you are being decidedly rude. That will stop immediately.

Um, you didn't present any facts at all? And calling you out on it is not rude LOL.

You already got one warning in this thread. You've been steadily talked to by a number of people with the facts and you ignored all of them. And yes, you were very rude. I suggest you stop now.

Nonsense. I presented the facts about XBL and why the console is designed to be online. You people just ranted about a non issue for anyone wanting to take 100% advantage of the device. And as for the warning, I sent a message back to the admin tell them to either ban me or stop wasting my time with such nonsense. So save it.

It is not a game console, it is a media console. They said it needed the internet. They are patching it to play games offline. Those are the facts, nothing underhanded by MS no matter what opinions you may have. Sorry.

 

[FalloutJack]

Zoop

You definitely have that reversed. Please stop ignoring what everyone is telling you.

 

[Strazdas]

Yeah, nothing you said is correct. Therefore by default you and your non points win. Go you.

Ran out of arguments already?

 

[theApoc]

Zoop

You definitely have that reversed. Please stop ignoring what everyone is telling you.

Yeah, there are no facts supporting anything I said:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/xbox-360-sales-and-xbox-live-membership-numbers-give-microsoft-a-compelling-defense-for-the-always-online-next-xbox/

With worldwide sales of approximately 75 million consoles, Microsoft has finally reached a point when significantly more than half of its console audience is using Xbox Live. The year-on-year growth is impressive enough, but consider the long term numbers. In December 2010, there were only 25 million registered Xbox Live members. Five years after the console first released, Microsoft was able to nearly double its networked audience.

What?s it all mean? It means that Microsoft has a compelling argument to make in defense of an always-online Next Xbox. The company can point to the Xbox 360?s audience and note that more than half of console owners have joined Xbox Live, so naturally they?re already online. There won?t be that big a change.

They have a good reason to embrace an online audience. As stated before that number has doubled since 2010. Bottom line, your wrong. It is a media console designed to work online. It was presented as such(all of the initial features present by MS were online based). There is NO evidence to support the idea of its primary purpose as playing games. They could have easily out spec'ed the PS4, the could have easily made just another game console. They didn't. They focused on a well rounded entertainment hub, and yes I will call it that because that is how I have always used my 360.

Bu hey, have fun trolling.

 

[Strazdas]

Yeah, nothing you said is correct. Therefore by default you and your non points win. Go you.

Ran out of arguments already?

You would have to say something intelligent for me to need a new argument.

Yep, everyones an idiot and your the only smart person around.

 

[theApoc]

Yeah, nothing you said is correct. Therefore by default you and your non points win. Go you.

Ran out of arguments already?

You would have to say something intelligent for me to need a new argument.

Yep, everyones an idiot and your the only smart person around.

I am am the only one with facts to back up my points slick, so yeah I guess that makes me the smart one...

 

[Strazdas]

Yeah, nothing you said is correct. Therefore by default you and your non points win. Go you.

Ran out of arguments already?

You would have to say something intelligent for me to need a new argument.

Yep, everyones an idiot and your the only smart person around.

I am am the only one with facts to back up my points slick, so yeah I guess that makes me the smart one...

Considering how you always ignore whenever we show your "Facts" to be wrong and continue on to place them as "Facts", i am highly sceptical of anything you claim, including your own intelligence.