You import an ME2 save to ME3... where sheppard didn't survive

[mechanixis]

You can't transfer. Bioware said that you'll just have to make a new file.

That's..... incredibly stupid.

No its not. What's the point in choices if nothing sticks? Especially if that choice leads to the death of the main character no less. You have to be the world's laziest player to kill him off anyway.

They said before ME2 was released, so its not like people haven't had enough time to try it with him alive.

That's what I just said. What is the point of having such major choices if they just force you to go with their cannon, especially when you making your own cannon has been a big selling point of Bioware games, or at least the Mass Effect series.

But they aren't forcing you to go along with their canon (note: two n's is for the weapon, one n is for official plot). If your Shepard dies at the end of ME2, then he's dead. He doesn't get to experience the events of Mass Effect 3 because he's DEAD. Your game simply ended at the end of ME2 instead of at the end of ME3. And it's not like ME3 is going to scan your hard drive and ban you from playing it if you have any saves where Shepard dies. You just can't use that one save to play as Shepard in ME3 because your Shepard died and that is the end.

Really, I don't see how you can be saying BioWare is stupid for this one. If the player chooses to kill their Shepard at the end of ME2, that is the end of that Shepard, just like the player wanted. If you want to keep your Shepard for ME3, you have to make sure he lives that long. If you kill him, that was your choice. And since it's actually harder to kill off Shepard than it is to keep him alive, it means you worked at getting that ending knowing it would be the true end.

That's true, I guess. *shrugs* It's just me being me, and having a weird opinion.

Honestly, if Shepard dying was in any way tied to a meaningful gameplay choice, I would agree with you. As it stands, the only way for it to happen is if you deliberately fuck everything up. Even the most casual gamer will finish the game with at least a couple survivors. Which makes Shepard's ability to die pretty much pointless, really.

 

[Tony2077]

well its was a suicide mission so what the hell lets have a ending where Shepard dies but its not the canon ending it just the lets see Shepard die ending

 

[TylerC]

One thing comes to mind when you were perfectly able to import a save from the first to second game, but not from the second to third...

Incredibly. Piss. Poor. Writing.

The first ME was damn good in my view. I watched my brother play most of the second and it wasn't as good as the first was. The same old @#$%@%* formula happens with these game companies when this shit happens.

"Oh, one of our titles was a success!"

"Well, let's make more money by hastily making a sequel so that we can make MOAR MONEYZ!"

"I think this might be something we'd want to handle caref-"

"GET TO MAKING THE DAMNED SEQUEL NOW!!!!!"

"Yes sir..."

*scurries away*

i heard it REALLY hard to do without tring but what do you have to do to kill of Shepard

Don't upgrade the ship's systems at all, do none of the loyalty quests, make all the wrong decisions when selecting the specialists and fire team leaders in the Collector base(so all your companions die). So you literally have to aim for that ending and skip the majority of the content to screw up badly enough to kill Shepard.

Exactly, I don't get why these people are complaining when they obviously don't care to play the game. You deserve that ending if you skip practically half the game with all of those side missions and exploring, chatting with team members, etc.

 

[Rainforce]

You play as Blasto the first Hanar Spectre.

Yes! ME really needs more plot relevant hanars >: / !!!! (srsly, they're awesome)

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

Bioware seems to be forcing a lot of choices upon us these days, despite the fact that I FUCKING CUT LELIANA'S HEAD OFF :S

I never knew you could do that till recently. How do you kill her?

She doesn't like the prospect of the Urn being defiled. You have to "put her in her place".

 

[Woodsey]

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THEY ARE MAKING THEIR OWN CANON. THE CANON IS THAT MASS EFFECT 3 DOES NOT EXIST.

And no, but Wrex not being there certainly blocked off options to me. Go back a fucking hour and load a save, and run through all the stuff you need to do to not get that ending. Problem solved.

Like I said, you have to actively try to get that ending. Stop being so obnoxious and comment on it when you've finished the game. I've yet to actually encounter someone who got it without aiming for it.

I just want to let you know that your title makes me want to find you and give you a long lecture about spoiler alerts. Because guess what you just spoiled.

In his defence, the developers went over and over it before the game was released to emphasise that your choices stick. Knowing he can die is at least not the same as knowing how/why, or the only end result. And it is described as a suicide mission throughout the entire game.

So someone who doesn't read up on that should be aware right? It's easy to NOT put this sort of thing in the title, easily put in a spoiler. I'm aware I'm probably the last person to beat the bloody game but you don't for the love of god put the ending in the title in a forum.

Believe me, you won't get that ending anyway.

ISN'T IT SLIGHTLY MORE OBNOXIOUS USING ALL CAPS AND BEING RUDE, WHEN IT'S JUST A DIFFERING OPINION?

Nope. I've solved the issue for you pretty much, informed you of just how much effort it takes to get the ending, you knew it was possible to get the ending way in advance, you demand player choice, and then demand the consequences of the choice are simply removed, in spite of how difficult they are to achieve anyway.

Unless you run through the game and do nothing but the very bare minimum, you won't get the ending - you are told time and time again that you need to prepare, and that it is a suicide mission. They are not altering your canon by making a next game, they are furthering the canon of those whose canon hasn't ended yet.

Don't play the bloody thing if its that much of an issue.

 

[mechanixis]

If they were to allow that, they'd probably allow you to make another character, but you still hear about everyone saying how awesome Shepard was.

Or a cutscene with everybody failing miserably.

OR OR OR! They adopt the Dragon Age way of going about things (in that you can control whomever you want) and you just choose who gets to be captain.

Garrus running show? I think so.

As interesting as that would be, it's completely off the table. You know how Mass Effect 2 was on two disks? You can thank the incredible amount of audio files that - Bioware has to record and store every single possible dialogue choice on there.

Now, imagine that you can play as a different character. Every single line of dialogue needs to be re-recorded in a different voice. In fact, almost all the dialogue in the game needs to be re-written because Garrus/Joker/New Guy has a different personality. Hell, every other character is going to need new dialogue too, because they'll treat the new guy differently than they'd treat Shepard.

Considering Bioware gave themselves about a year and a half to develop ME3, it's safe to say we won't be getting a twelve-disk game to cater to the .8% of gamers who got Shepard killed.

 

[Paksenarrion]

You play as Blasto the first Hanar Spectre.

/thread, goddamit. Blasto is Walker Texas Ranger's twin brother.

 

[easternflame]

You can't transfer. Bioware said that you'll just have to make a new file.

On the contrary, they want you to continue the story, saidby the lead writer himself

 

[mechanixis]

You play as Blasto the first Hanar Spectre.

Yes! ME really needs more plot relevant hanars >: / !!!! (srsly, they're awesome)

And Volus. We need more of those raspy waddling deceitful businessmen.

 

[Donttazemehbro]

You cant, it tells you in a loading screen that "You can import your saves from Mass Effect 2, as long as Shepard survives" It would be awesome to play as Joker though.

 

[Woodsey]

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THEY ARE MAKING THEIR OWN CANON. THE CANON IS THAT MASS EFFECT 3 DOES NOT EXIST.

And no, but Wrex not being there certainly blocked off options to me. Go back a fucking hour and load a save, and run through all the stuff you need to do to not get that ending. Problem solved.

Like I said, you have to actively try to get that ending. Stop being so obnoxious and comment on it when you've finished the game. I've yet to actually encounter someone who got it without aiming for it.

I just want to let you know that your title makes me want to find you and give you a long lecture about spoiler alerts. Because guess what you just spoiled.

In his defence, the developers went over and over it before the game was released to emphasise that your choices stick. Knowing he can die is at least not the same as knowing how/why, or the only end result. And it is described as a suicide mission throughout the entire game.

So someone who doesn't read up on that should be aware right? It's easy to NOT put this sort of thing in the title, easily put in a spoiler. I'm aware I'm probably the last person to beat the bloody game but you don't for the love of god put the ending in the title in a forum.

Believe me, you won't get that ending anyway.

ISN'T IT SLIGHTLY MORE OBNOXIOUS USING ALL CAPS AND BEING RUDE, WHEN IT'S JUST A DIFFERING OPINION?

Nope. I've solved the issue for you pretty much, informed you of just how much effort it takes to get the ending, you knew it was possible to get the ending way in advance, you demand player choice, and then demand the consequences of the choice are simply removed, in spite of how difficult they are to achieve anyway.

Unless you run through the game and do nothing but the very bare minimum, you won't get the ending - you are told time and time again that you need to prepare, and that it is a suicide mission. They are not altering your canon by making a next game, they are furthering the canon of those whose canon hasn't ended yet.

Don't play the bloody thing if its that much of an issue.

It's only a choice for someone if they're not going to be playing ME3. If you want to play ME3 with your own character, then you have to get shepard to live. Not too much choice there, so why put it in at all?

I dunno, maybe they had this strange desire to make a game where something you did or did not do fucking mattered. The ability to actually fail, where your victory was not completely predetermined.

Forgive me for believing we all fucking wanted choice and consequence in our RPGs - evidently what we all really want is to know that we can't fail.

The only time Shepard dying is not a choice is if you're a complete moron, or you have an incredibly small interest in the game.

If you want to play ME 3 with your character then you need to actually fucking prepare so that they'll live - it adds threat. I cannot believe this concept is so very fucking difficult to get across.

What you are saying is you'd much rather the game just guaranteed your success. I suppose all the side characters should be guaranteed the chance to live as well, because we wouldn't to stop anyone from using their favourites in ME3 now, would we?

Did not saving those two people have an impact on whether or not you were/are able to have that Shepard play the next installment of the game? No? Didn't think so. Why advertise making your own cannon, then force a player to go with specific cannon if options they chose weren't the " right " ones. All I'm saying is putting something like that in is silly. It shouldn't have been put in at all.

Seriously, first you complain that there is no choice and all is one cannon, than Bioware makes this huge complex system, where certain decisions, quests and romantic affairs are carried over into a new game, which again has a huge world and I can think of some stuff already, probably some of those loyal missions will have an effect on the third game and than you still complain that the game is realistic enough to give you a shitty ending?

What is wrong with you?

Either you go on and make a game linear or you create this ~epic~ with a massive universe, where every little choice can have a huge impact, you can't have both and later complain that you suck at the game and you lost the mission, just deal with it, its hinted in the game, there are freaking 3 achievements for the suicide mission alone and the game constantly reminds you to talk to your crew members, because they tell you that their upgrades are needed to live trough the collectors attack, if you ignore all this and loose, than you very well deserve to be death.

If you play super mario and never jump on enemys or never collect any upgrade and Bowser stomps you into a little italian pulp, than you don't get to complain that the game is over.

Lets not forget that there is basically no one who could replace Shepard, he stopped the reapers twice now, has all the knowledge of the protheans, even if they turned now and knows as much about the reapers as no one else, you can't just replace that guy with random spacesoldier #18835

Don't bother trying to debate it with him.

 

[Exfil 22]

Either your dick/Sheperd will be revived again. Or you wont be able to use that file for ME3. Or you get a joke achievment.

Any one of them is possible

I never played either ME games, but I always thought that Shepard being revived was kinda stupid. So reviving him again? Hell, why not just train up an unstoppable army of WH40K Space Marines crossed with SPARTANs, and then let them have at it. Every time one dies, just revive him! While re-reviving Shepard would be canonically possible, it brings up the whole issue that Yahtzee talked about in his EP after he played Kirby. Where if the enemies realize that you literally cannot be stopped, why wouldn't they just stop? Like in Section 8, where when you die you immediently can burn back in wherever you want, turning most of the strategy into "run in with machine gun and shoot anything that's red".

You're saying that as if Sheppard died in ME1, then was brought back in ME2 to continue the story. That would have been a stupid plot device. However, he actually died at the beginning of ME2, and that whole death/ressurection subplot was actually about involving him with Cerberus, who brought him back. Otherwise, Cerberus would never had a chance to persuade him to their side, being terrorists and therefore his enemy. Also, it was a lot more complicated than just a revive: it took two years and ridiculous amounts of money to resurrect Sheppard

 

[Bobbity]

Bioware seems to be forcing a lot of choices upon us these days, despite the fact that I FUCKING CUT LELIANA'S HEAD OFF :S

wow did you mean to come off as a jerk or was that a mistake

Actually, I kinda meant that as a joke :S
I loved Leliana's character, and I never would have even considered killing her. Besides which, I think that Bioware's well within its rights to enforce one particular canon if they feel that they can craft an awesome story around it. Or at least a story better than DA2's

 

[droid]

What should happen: same as in Chrono Trigger where the game goes on without Chrono. I don't see anything special about Shepard. Joker could take the lead, not as a bullet-head meat-sponge, but the CO of the team. The dialouge options would be voiced by whichever active party member was most appropriate for the line. All that would be required would be about twice as many lines of voice acting - oh wait, thats why. Yeah, RPGs just aren't the same with voice acting.

 

[Woodsey]

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THEY ARE MAKING THEIR OWN CANON. THE CANON IS THAT MASS EFFECT 3 DOES NOT EXIST.

And no, but Wrex not being there certainly blocked off options to me. Go back a fucking hour and load a save, and run through all the stuff you need to do to not get that ending. Problem solved.

Like I said, you have to actively try to get that ending. Stop being so obnoxious and comment on it when you've finished the game. I've yet to actually encounter someone who got it without aiming for it.

I just want to let you know that your title makes me want to find you and give you a long lecture about spoiler alerts. Because guess what you just spoiled.

In his defence, the developers went over and over it before the game was released to emphasise that your choices stick. Knowing he can die is at least not the same as knowing how/why, or the only end result. And it is described as a suicide mission throughout the entire game.

So someone who doesn't read up on that should be aware right? It's easy to NOT put this sort of thing in the title, easily put in a spoiler. I'm aware I'm probably the last person to beat the bloody game but you don't for the love of god put the ending in the title in a forum.

Believe me, you won't get that ending anyway.

ISN'T IT SLIGHTLY MORE OBNOXIOUS USING ALL CAPS AND BEING RUDE, WHEN IT'S JUST A DIFFERING OPINION?

Nope. I've solved the issue for you pretty much, informed you of just how much effort it takes to get the ending, you knew it was possible to get the ending way in advance, you demand player choice, and then demand the consequences of the choice are simply removed, in spite of how difficult they are to achieve anyway.

Unless you run through the game and do nothing but the very bare minimum, you won't get the ending - you are told time and time again that you need to prepare, and that it is a suicide mission. They are not altering your canon by making a next game, they are furthering the canon of those whose canon hasn't ended yet.

Don't play the bloody thing if its that much of an issue.

It's only a choice for someone if they're not going to be playing ME3. If you want to play ME3 with your own character, then you have to get shepard to live. Not too much choice there, so why put it in at all?

I dunno, maybe they had this strange desire to make a game where something you did or did not do fucking mattered. The ability to actually fail, where your victory was not completely predetermined.

Forgive me for believing we all fucking wanted choice and consequence in our RPGs - evidently what we all really want is to know that we can't fail.

The only time Shepard dying is not a choice is if you're a complete moron, or you have an incredibly small interest in the game.

If you want to play ME 3 with your character then you need to actually fucking prepare so that they'll live - it adds threat. I cannot believe this concept is so very fucking difficult to get across.

What you are saying is you'd much rather the game just guaranteed your success. I suppose all the side characters should be guaranteed the chance to live as well, because we wouldn't to stop anyone from using their favourites in ME3 now, would we?

Did not saving those two people have an impact on whether or not you were/are able to have that Shepard play the next installment of the game? No? Didn't think so. Why advertise making your own cannon, then force a player to go with specific cannon if options they chose weren't the " right " ones. All I'm saying is putting something like that in is silly. It shouldn't have been put in at all.

Seriously, first you complain that there is no choice and all is one cannon, than Bioware makes this huge complex system, where certain decisions, quests and romantic affairs are carried over into a new game, which again has a huge world and I can think of some stuff already, probably some of those loyal missions will have an effect on the third game and than you still complain that the game is realistic enough to give you a shitty ending?

What is wrong with you?

Either you go on and make a game linear or you create this ~epic~ with a massive universe, where every little choice can have a huge impact, you can't have both and later complain that you suck at the game and you lost the mission, just deal with it, its hinted in the game, there are freaking 3 achievements for the suicide mission alone and the game constantly reminds you to talk to your crew members, because they tell you that their upgrades are needed to live trough the collectors attack, if you ignore all this and loose, than you very well deserve to be death.

If you play super mario and never jump on enemys or never collect any upgrade and Bowser stomps you into a little italian pulp, than you don't get to complain that the game is over.

Lets not forget that there is basically no one who could replace Shepard, he stopped the reapers twice now, has all the knowledge of the protheans, even if they turned now and knows as much about the reapers as no one else, you can't just replace that guy with random spacesoldier #18835

Don't bother trying to debate it with him.

Unless you have no interest in playing ME3, then it does . Haven't you said yourself that you have to try to get it? So, by your own words, unless you're a " complete moron " then your success is guaranteed.

Ah, so now you're arguing they didn't push the death ending enough!

The hypocrisy continues.