You people are insane....(Yet another rape thread)
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I didn't call you mentally challenged or mentally handicapped, I said mentally ill. This is coming from a guy WITH a mental illness, me saying that you're acting mentally ill is the same as me calling you racist, I'm only commenting on your ability to see reality. I'm not saying that you're damaged, just crazy.Mortai Gravesend said:
No, because you're acting crazy (irrationally). That's why you won't listen to anything I say.
Well, I'm sorry that I offended you. I'm equally offended by you calling me biased, but I shrug it off easily enough.Mortai Gravesend said:
I'll leave you to your reality, then, so as not to offend you by pointing out your own biases.
Well, not generalizing all guys as pigs is a good place to start. I think throwing "some" more towards the beginning of that sentence would look a lot better. I'm guessing it was just accidental word placement on your part though. I agree with the general gist of your post.idarkphoenixi said:
Welp. I'm outta here.Mortai Gravesend said:
So, in regards to everyone else, I'm glad we've come to relative agreement about where OP was correct and where he was very wrong.
To the OP: uh, mostly true, I guess, obviously?
In regards to the whole "people don't necessarily dress provocatively/revealingly for attention" argument. I've never really heard a good rationalization as to why it's not, on some level, rooted in the desire for attention from others (if it's not for practical purposes like the heat or something). I'm not saying that must be the case or even is most of the time, I've just never heard a good argument against it. I mean, if you lived in a cave away from people or were raised by animals, I doubt you'd really keep after your personal appearance or bother wearing clothes that made you "look nice". The idea of "looking nice" I believe is rooted in being visually appealing or noticeable to others (thus the word "attractive"). There's nothing particularly WRONG with that in my mind (if you're operating within the boundaries of what's legally acceptable), nor do I think it must be for the express purpose of sexually enticing potential mates, but to adamantly declare "I wear revealing clothes for no one but myself" always struck me as disingenuous. I imagine that perhaps there's a whole lot of unconscious psychological subtext that goes on in that regard though, as I find it doubtful that a woman would consciously think "hey, I'm going to wear this plunging neckline and push-up bra so dudes will stare at my rack!", even if that happened to be what she really wanted. This idea would apply to men too.
This is obviously just based on my own thoughts and observations. Again, I'm not saying this must be the case for everyone (or even is this case for most) I just don't really see a whole lot of plausible alternative motivations.
oh god I'm going to regret posting this. I think I already do -__- Please don't killl meeee.
In regards to the whole "people don't necessarily dress provocatively/revealingly for attention" argument. I've never really heard a good rationalization as to why it's not, on some level, rooted in the desire for attention from others (if it's not for practical purposes like the heat or something). I'm not saying that must be the case or even is most of the time, I've just never heard a good argument against it. I mean, if you lived in a cave away from people or were raised by animals, I doubt you'd really keep after your personal appearance or bother wearing clothes that made you "look nice". The idea of "looking nice" I believe is rooted in being visually appealing or noticeable to others (thus the word "attractive"). There's nothing particularly WRONG with that in my mind (if you're operating within the boundaries of what's legally acceptable), nor do I think it must be for the express purpose of sexually enticing potential mates, but to adamantly declare "I wear revealing clothes for no one but myself" always struck me as disingenuous. I imagine that perhaps there's a whole lot of unconscious psychological subtext that goes on in that regard though, as I find it doubtful that a woman would consciously think "hey, I'm going to wear this plunging neckline and push-up bra so dudes will stare at my rack!", even if that happened to be what she really wanted. This idea would apply to men too.
This is obviously just based on my own thoughts and observations. Again, I'm not saying this must be the case for everyone (or even is this case for most) I just don't really see a whole lot of plausible alternative motivations.
oh god I'm going to regret posting this. I think I already do -__- Please don't killl meeee.
I don't think manslaughter is technically defined as murder, as it's classified under, well, manslaughter. However, murder can still be committed by killing someone through reckless indifference, intention to commit grievous bodily harm or intent to commit a dangerous felony, so the intent to kill is not necessary to classify murder as, well, murder. Meaning it can still be accidental.Ryan All said:
I hate to do this because I do agree with you, the sentiment that people being denied freedom (Righfully) deserve no-rights is stupid.Abandon4093 said:
That said, the way they are held responsible for their actions is taking away some of their human rights, such as: The right to freedom, the right to free enterprise, etc etc.
Not to be too much of a jerk. That said, anyone who'd imply that people who're locked up for a significant portion of their lifre getting off easy is deluded. Crazy. Insane.
SpectacularWebHead I agree with you completely.
I would just like to point out one small addendum. There is are a few situations where Rape can be accidental. They are all very situational and revolve around the same principle, that the 'rapist' was not aware the partner did not have the mental/legal capacity to give consent.
Most obviously this would include sleeping with someone under-age when you have had no reason to suspect their true age (these days 16 year olds can pass for being in their 20's if they try hard enough). Also It might include someone who is too far off their face with drugs and/or alcohol (especially if they wake up the next day and don't recall giving consent).
While I have never been in any of these scenarios, the prospect terrorfies me. I don't want to accidentely take advantage of anyone or get caught unknowingly breaking a law with SO much negative press. You hear of people getting on the sex offenders list for these sorts of things (or way more innocuous things, like peeing in a public park at 3am) and getting treated like a Pedo for the rest of their lives. Not cool.
So yeh, where Rape is the result of someone deciding to violate someone without given consent I tend to beleive we should lock them up and throw the key and all of the lame justifications ('she was dressed like she wanted it') can't save you. But sometimes Rape isn't always quite this cut and dry.
I would just like to point out one small addendum. There is are a few situations where Rape can be accidental. They are all very situational and revolve around the same principle, that the 'rapist' was not aware the partner did not have the mental/legal capacity to give consent.
Most obviously this would include sleeping with someone under-age when you have had no reason to suspect their true age (these days 16 year olds can pass for being in their 20's if they try hard enough). Also It might include someone who is too far off their face with drugs and/or alcohol (especially if they wake up the next day and don't recall giving consent).
While I have never been in any of these scenarios, the prospect terrorfies me. I don't want to accidentely take advantage of anyone or get caught unknowingly breaking a law with SO much negative press. You hear of people getting on the sex offenders list for these sorts of things (or way more innocuous things, like peeing in a public park at 3am) and getting treated like a Pedo for the rest of their lives. Not cool.
So yeh, where Rape is the result of someone deciding to violate someone without given consent I tend to beleive we should lock them up and throw the key and all of the lame justifications ('she was dressed like she wanted it') can't save you. But sometimes Rape isn't always quite this cut and dry.
Why, if you look like a duck and you walk like a duck - well, there is a chance you gonna get shot. If you look like a whore, and you talk like a whore - well, there is a chance you gonna get fucked... By the way, is running away without paying constitutes rape for a prostitute? Or is it stealing? Joyriding?
Also, do you realize that by some recent retarded precidents in US any male who has had sex can be accused of rape IF WOMAN CHANGED HER MIND AFTER COITUS? Yeah, even if you are married to her. And she can cut off your penis when you are asleep, and later be found not guilty.
Human beings are driven by emotions as much as rational thought, and lust is a powerful emotion. Provoking it and then doing a U-turn is simply not wise, because such primal urges are very hard to control.
I am not saying that rape is always womans fault, why, far from it, but both sides of the case should always be examined, before jumping to conclusions. Habeas corpus should never be ignored. And lately the tendency seems to be just the opposite - man is supposed to prove himself innocent, both in courts and discussions, and that seems a bit unfair to me.
PS. rape threads are soooo two weeks ago... just let that shit die.
PPS. have any of you read "To Kill a Mockingbird"?
Also, do you realize that by some recent retarded precidents in US any male who has had sex can be accused of rape IF WOMAN CHANGED HER MIND AFTER COITUS? Yeah, even if you are married to her. And she can cut off your penis when you are asleep, and later be found not guilty.
Human beings are driven by emotions as much as rational thought, and lust is a powerful emotion. Provoking it and then doing a U-turn is simply not wise, because such primal urges are very hard to control.
I am not saying that rape is always womans fault, why, far from it, but both sides of the case should always be examined, before jumping to conclusions. Habeas corpus should never be ignored. And lately the tendency seems to be just the opposite - man is supposed to prove himself innocent, both in courts and discussions, and that seems a bit unfair to me.
PS. rape threads are soooo two weeks ago... just let that shit die.
PPS. have any of you read "To Kill a Mockingbird"?
Treating these criminals differently isn't going to do anyone any good. Like others, they can be rehabilitated if given the chance. Of course, punishment to the full extent of the law is also necessary to go along with this, but don't just lock him/her up and throw away the key.
I also agree the idea this fine poster has put forth, though I would ideally replace the part with skimpy clothes with getting shit faced at a party.Jonluw said:
Why you gotta be like that man? First off, I said I assumed you were a dude, and someone said something that stuck in my mind. I don't know if that was you or some one else, or even a typo, but there's no need to attack me for it.Mortai Gravesend said:
If I'm sexist against both men and women, doesn't that just mean I'm a misanthrope? I'm just calling people out on their bad behavior. You're welcome to do the same to me, but you're going to have a hard time picking apart my words if you can't read my actions. I do my best to be a nice guy to the people around me, even if I resent them. On the internet, I don't have to be as nice, so I'm going to speak my mind as I see things. Call me wrong, I don't care, but it would be nice if you'd respond with less "you're wrong" and more "you're wrong and here's factual evidence why."
Given your zealotry in this topic, I don't trust your hormones anymore than I trust mine to tell stories. Rational people don't act the way you are now. And my hormones aren't really any of your business. If it was a "problem" like you said, I would have it checked out. Lacking interest in sex isn't much of a problem as much as a boon. I don't get distracted by pretty girls, and as such, I'm going to call them out on their shit if they try using that as a tool against me or my fellow man. But you obviously didn't really read my comments, because if you did, you'd have seen where I said it doesn't apply to me. You're just set on attacking me and that other guy.
Case in point. There wasn't any need to comment on that if you weren't going to expand on it.
If it makes you feel better, I'll try to find that study I've been referenced to. I did a precursory check and failed, but I can try again later. It seems Google has been used to find a lot of things regarding sex, and none of which is what I'm looking for.
Every time I see these threads I die a little inside, I thought we had established that discussing it on gaming sites with anonymity leads to flaming and insults.
Can we please leave this for more mature places, we have proven multiple times that the majority of the community is unable to discuss this sensibly.
Can we please leave this for more mature places, we have proven multiple times that the majority of the community is unable to discuss this sensibly.