That's not true. I left a lot of the side missions until after the game ended, and two of those were finding Nora and The Tea Party. Still managed to get them done afterwards!Kopikatsu said:
Zero Punctuation: Batman: Arkham City
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cmon dc n marval, learn from AA and AC and put out more comic gold!
When trading in games, it is for one of the following reasons:
1. The game I have is shit and I have no more use for it
2. There is a new game coming out that I really want but can't afford because of the stupid standardized $60 price point
So are you against me buying more new games or you are in favor of promoting shit games that can't be resold?
When buying used it is for one of the following reasons:
1. It is an older game that is either unavailable new or hard to find (by this time, "new" sales are not consequential anyway because it is generally just retailers clearancing out remaining stock)
2. The game is interesting enough to pay this price for, but not that price for
This system is a prime example of free market capitalism doing it's job of rewarding publishers for good games and punishing publishers for bad games. Anyone who wants to take that away is against good games whether they realize it or not.
1. The game I have is shit and I have no more use for it
2. There is a new game coming out that I really want but can't afford because of the stupid standardized $60 price point
So are you against me buying more new games or you are in favor of promoting shit games that can't be resold?
When buying used it is for one of the following reasons:
1. It is an older game that is either unavailable new or hard to find (by this time, "new" sales are not consequential anyway because it is generally just retailers clearancing out remaining stock)
2. The game is interesting enough to pay this price for, but not that price for
This system is a prime example of free market capitalism doing it's job of rewarding publishers for good games and punishing publishers for bad games. Anyone who wants to take that away is against good games whether they realize it or not.
I'm quite sure he caught it. That doesn't change the fact that it's still completely ludicrous. Bruce Wayne is a billionaire whose investment in Gotham City is probably its biggest asset and the only reason it hasn't spiralled into recession. For him to essentially be kidnapped by a private security force in front of hundreds of cameras makes absolutely no sense, not to mention that they not only capture him but several of those reporters. Hugo Strange would not only need to influence the mayor, he'd need to send out thugs to pacify any Gotham citizens who might protest against the manhandling of the press, he'd need serious leverage over the police force to stop them coming to free people who have been unlawfully detained, and if they didn't do their job, a company with as much economic influence as Wayne Enterprises would probably march up to Congress and have them declare martial law in Gotham, as one could make a clear case that with an incompetent mayor and police force unable to prevent important citizens from being illegally detained the government would have to send in the troops to restore order.Nico4 said:
The opening of Arkham City was, for me, a shining example of just how bad comic book writing can get. 10 minutes in and they've already broken at least a dozen laws of rationality and pulled the "Batman's identity is compromised" card. Why is that stupid? His identity being revealed is literally the worst thing that can happen to him. Put that out there at the very start of the game and it's going to be impossible to really feel like the stakes are ever going to be raised any higher.
Well, he did say "All things I liked about Arkham Asylum are still there," and in his Arkham Asylum vid he actually spent a good bit of time gushing over the game and not taking the piss. So I suppose since he had that reference there he didn't need to spend any time talking about what was good and he could just focus on being nit-picky and taking the piss.radioactive lemur said:
Yeah, but doesn't this sound a little hypocritical coming from a person who gets his games bought for him? I mean, I'm all for getting developers their money and I usually buy games first hand, but it's hard for most people, you know? Personally, I'd like to buy Rage, Deus Ex: Human Revolution and Saints Row: the Third and it'll probably be a year before I get to play them all.President Bagel said:
And by then Syndicate and that new quantum physics puzzler of that Portal developer will be out and I've been keeping one eye on those as well.
Plus, you know, it's always better than piracy. Because the more revenue the store gets, the more opportunity they have to expand and that in turn lets them buy more games for the developers.
Yeah I remember that one, fun way to DRM unless some buying players on PC get it as well. Although that was fixed when I got it. Bought it on steam later on, because after I had played it I knew it was worth my money. I try not to buy too much into marketing. I remember Operation flashpoint had an even more devious DRM, first it would let you play 5 hours after you installed it, then CTD, the next time 2,5H and so on until you were only able to activate the game 5 min. at a time.
It's almost scary how little there is to critize about the Arkham games. In fact, my biggest concern is the same as yahtzee's. If it's true that there is going to be a third game, then where is that going to take place? Arkham City 2 just doesn't sound right. Sounds too much like Final Fantasy X 2 or Final Fantasy XIII 2.
This has got to be the funniest ZP review in a long time. I couldn't stop cracking up.
And yet when they pull schemes like that and online pass, they make me not want to support them.President Bagel said:
Same here. It's like saying I should always buy cars new, or houses new, or books new, or DVDs new, or clothes new, or furniture new, or appliances new, or consoles new, or domain names new, or ...GonzoGamer said:
There are a LOT of industries hurting worse than freaking video game development, yet somehow they're uniquely damaged by the market for used (yet fully legal!) copies of their product?
Where is the sympathy for building contractors? Or farm workers? I'm not some loony leftist, but come on. Game programmers sit at a desk, in an air-conditioned room, and type. Maybe they work long hours. Maybe their boss is a dick. Maybe they don't feel creatively fulfilled. Boo-frickin-hoo. Have any of them lost their fingers in a disk drive? Been killed by a falling mouse? Contracted black lung from, I dunno ... toner?
My grandfather was an auto worker in the 30s. They didn't have AC. They didn't have healthcare. They didn't have freakin' *chairs*. He worked ridiculous hours in those hellish conditions to support his family, and in his "spare" time he volunteered as a union organizer.
People still bought and sold used cars back then, and he owned more than one.
Game companies are *not* hard places to work. This "pity the poor, suffering programmers" bull is a ploy dreamt up by marketers to rationalize their first tentative dick-moves towards hobbling all used (yet legal!) copies of games.
And even if there was some truth to this myth of the suffering programmer, *and* 100 percent of the customer base started buying new tomorrow, their working conditions wouldn't change one iota. The reason they are treated as interchangeable and are easily pressured by employers is that there's a glut of them on the market. If they were in short supply they'd be treated even more like royalty than they already are. This isn't the early 00s when anyone who knew what a tilde was got a six-figure job and stock options.
So buck up coders and welcome to adulthood. Maybe your job isn't as much fun as you imagined, but hey -- at least you've got one. With a chair.
It's not just programmers, it's everybody. College degrees have become much more expensive and worth much less than they used to as more and more people get them.boradis said:
And trust me, working in an office can be it's own kind of hell with the wrong people (it doesn't matter what you're doing as much as who you're doing it with) but it's not like the extra money publishers make off online pass, dlc, and everything else goes to the people who do the actual work.
That's the weird thing: somehow the publishers seem to have convinced a great many gamers that by buying new, or buying dlc, or buying online pass, or anything they can slap a price on, that it will lead to the next game being bigger and better (they used to just do that anyway) or that the developers who put all the hard work into it are going to get bonuses. I might be more tolerant too if that was the case but it's not. It's weird to see people defend something that's taking advantage of them...it's like watching minorities and poor people defend the gop.
I still haven't played this yet, you know poverty and all, but to be honest I was skeptical of this game the moment I first heard the title. "Arkham City"? That doesn't even make any sense.
So Yahtzee was totally misinformed. I have all my side missions unlocked. I beat the game. i have two more side missions and all my side missions are done....see I think the Identity Theft victims take pity on you if you don't find them after a while, like the Batcomputer telling you how to beat Freeze if you suck at it.
Normally, though, you can find them relatively soon after the first.
So, , Yahtzee was weirdly misinformed.none of the side missions are locked whatsoever....
Normally, though, you can find them relatively soon after the first.
So, , Yahtzee was weirdly misinformed.none of the side missions are locked whatsoever....
its an amazing game. its like you missing ou on skyrim....Arkham CITY is basically what happens when a part of gotham is bordered off and is now a SUPER PRISION 5 times bigger than Asylum....you apparenly dont know who batman is....
Amen to this.ewhac said:
Also, is anyone here finding it rather ironic that somebody who hasn't had to pay for a game in 6 years is ranting about how YOU MUST SUPPORT THE PUBLISHERS AND NEVER BUY PREOWNED?
Just saying, buddy, not all of us get all our games bought for us by a company. We actually have to work for our money, and spending $70 for a new game is absolutely ridiculous. Howsabout they stop gouging us for all they can, and we'll consider it.
Sorry to Necro, but Humble Bundle just got me both of these games (Asylum and City) for PC when I'd already beaten them with a buddy on PS3.
Dunno what Ben was bitching about but I have to write; Asylum is a hoot in experiencing a sort of game experimenting with some ideas. City was like they'd now figured it out and were giving us a fan-freaking-tastic experience. If his point was to write that things had not improved, I have to write, he is wrong. City is way better than Asylum. But if you haven't played Asylum you owe it to yourself to have some fun living out the difference.
Dunno what Ben was bitching about but I have to write; Asylum is a hoot in experiencing a sort of game experimenting with some ideas. City was like they'd now figured it out and were giving us a fan-freaking-tastic experience. If his point was to write that things had not improved, I have to write, he is wrong. City is way better than Asylum. But if you haven't played Asylum you owe it to yourself to have some fun living out the difference.