Zero Punctuation: Beyond: Two Souls

[Imp_Emissary]

*Checks the review, review comments and comments for "Nude Ellen Page case"*

Yup, just as I suspected. Apparently I'm the only person in the world who actually liked this game. Huh.

Spoiler: You're never alone!

That said, I haven't played the game, but I don't really want to.

Not my cup of tea, and a lot of the criticisms of the game have turned me off to it.
[sub]I just think telling a story out of order is a bad idea.[/sub]

That said, if ya like it, that's okay.

Funny show today Yahtzee.

 

[Seracen]

Even though I didn't enjoy Heavy Rain too much, I definitely prefer that over Beyond. I agree with Yahtzee with every criticism he has with the game, and more.

Funny how everyone just calls Jodie "Ellen Page" now, they just can't be arsed. =p
See what you've done, David Cage?

(Still think Omikron: The Nomad Soul is Quantic Dream's best game)

Agreed, but that's likely because that game actually had real gameplay.

Conversely, I wanted my money back after "Ellen Page Variety Hour." It's a novelty worth a bargain bin purchase of $20-$30, and nothing more. Granted, I would like to see where the stories goes from the end (per the "epilogue"), but not at $60.

I always say that I would take a good storyline over good gameplay. However, that is assuming the storytelling isn't disjointed, and there's substantial gameplay to speak of.

I do like the game, yet I'm still disappointed. Heck, Dragon's Lair had more gameplay than this, and it was one giant QTE.

 

[abort_user]

The thing that struck me about this game is it's almost exactly the game that Sarkeesian asked for. Less like a game and more like a movie. And what gameplay there is, make it easy as fuck. It even has a female protagonist. Dunno if I was the only one that noticed this but I expect to hear her gushing about it any day now.

that is not what Sarkeesian asked for. have you even seen her videos?! she also never said only good games have female protagonists. and quite frankly i imagine she would have a problem with using rape as a cheap way to make us feel sympathy for the protagonist (and rightfully so).

 

[lolcatize]

Oh the smashing pumpkins reference made my day.

 

[Sheo_Dagana]

This game seriously disappointed me. It's not especially bad it's just that the story is stupidly simple, not especially deep, and not particularly well written. It's a bunch of crying and hushed whispers about super serious business. Seriously, the crying got old really fast. Because Jodie always cries and always suffers, I'm not sure when I'm supposed to feel bad for her, so I decided to just not feel bad for her. It was just boring.

I just wish I could hear that things Aiden decided to say; "Hey, so I possessed that guy and murdered those two cops like you asked me to. I wasn't sure what to do with the guy after that so I just had him shoot himself.. so ya know, three families are now without fathers."

 

[Imp_Emissary]

All right I'm just gonna come right out and say it. With the exception of all the controversy around the Last of Us and this game, I have no fraking idea who the fuck Ellen Page is. Can someone please tell me what the big broo ha ha is? How come so many people love her and how come so many people here hate her?

Also there's a lot of David Cage hatred going on in here. I know there was that whole Emotions Emotions Emotions thing, but what did he do to get people to hate him THIS much? I thought the general conscientious was that Heavy Rain was decent at the very least. Even Yahtzee liked it.

The first thing I remember Page being in was the Movie Juno.
http://www.teenidols4you.com/picture.html?g=Actors&pe=ellenpage&foto=554&act=1697&mv=2353&pic=235386
As for what she did after that? Eh, just go look on the wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Page

As for why people hate David Cage?

Well, yes there is the "Emotions" thing, but I have also heard he's got a VERY big ego.

One story I heard from Jim was when Cage was suppose to have an interview with Destructoid but they couldn't put it up because Cage just spent an hour complaining about how Jim gave Heavy Rain a 7 out of 10.

 

[teh_gunslinger]

All right I'm just gonna come right out and say it. With the exception of all the controversy around the Last of Us and this game, I have no fraking idea who the fuck Ellen Page is. Can someone please tell me what the big broo ha ha is? How come so many people love her and how come so many people here hate her?

Also there's a lot of David Cage hatred going on in here. I know there was that whole Emotions Emotions Emotions thing, but what did he do to get people to hate him THIS much? I thought the general conscientious was that Heavy Rain was decent at the very least. Even Yahtzee liked it.

The first thing I remember Page being in was the Movie Juno.
http://www.teenidols4you.com/picture.html?g=Actors&pe=ellenpage&foto=554&act=1697&mv=2353&pic=235386
As for what she did after that? Eh, just go look on the wiki.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Page

As for why people hate David Cage?

Well, yes there is the "Emotions" thing, but I have also heard he's got a VERY big ego.

One story I heard from Jim was when Cage was suppose to have an interview with Destructoid but they couldn't put it up because Cage just spent an hour complaining about how Jim gave Heavy Rain a 7 out of 10.

The only one of those I've seen was Inception it seems. Can't say I cared one bit for the pile of sophmoric blather so it's a bit of a blur to me, aside from Edith Piaf. Even Nolans inane movies can't ruin Edith Piaf. Was Ellen Page that girl who was like some sort of wizard kid the Leonardo found at some school?

 

[TurkeyProphet]

I'm really put off by Ellen Page being in this game the way she is. I don't mind her in films and I wouldn't care about a voice over but just putting a celebrity in like this just strikes me as creepy and kinda egotistical. LA Noire did something similar but the character was still clearly Cole Phelps and not that dude out of Mad Men. For me this is a bit like making a cartoon of yourself and then voicing it. It might work for a comedy but a serious story? Why?

 

[Zeraki]

From what little I saw of a friend playing this game, the writing was horrible.

It wasn't that bad at first, but then it got to the birthday party and I just had to roll my eyes because of how stupid it was. Kids can be horrible little monsters yeah, but that was just silly. "Show us your super murder ghost powers!" followed shortly by "A book!? BUUUURN HEEEEER!".

Not to mention how stereotypically over the top the kids were acting before that. It was like a cheesy 80's sitcom where the writers have no idea how to write teenagers properly.

The drama feels so forced that it's cringe worthy. It's like someone keeps running up to you and screaming "FEEL SOMETHING" into your ear.

 

[Hutzpah Chicken]

Despite Ellen Page I'm still just a David Beige?

 

[Zeraki]

From what little I saw of a friend playing this game, the writing was horrible.

It wasn't that bad at first, but then it got to the birthday party and I just had to roll my eyes because of how stupid it was. Kids can be horrible little monsters yeah, but that was just silly. "Show us your super murder ghost powers!" followed shortly by "A book!? BUUUURN HEEEEER!". Not to mention how stereotypically over the top the kids were acting before that.

Has it ever occurred to you that, you know, the characters were INTENDED to be stereotypical?

Whether it was intentional or not, it was still beyond cringeworthy. Like I said in the edit of my post, it felt like I was watching a bad 80's sitcom where the writers didn't know how to write kids. It was so forced to the point of comedy.

 

[Darth_Payn]

Yahtzee, you charismatic stallion, this is your funniest review yet! The name changes, the riffs on David Cage, and summing up what I thought would be wrong about the thing I hesitate to call a "game". I had a bad feeling about it back in E3 2012, the one with all those trailers for games that revealed something between "jack squat" and "bugger all" about their content. I got the same idea from The Last of Us, trying to be the "Oscar-bait" of video games. I know Yahtzee's a major proponent of games as art, but Cage seems to be all about this:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TrueArtIsIncomprehensible

Now it's a competition to see who's the creepier game auteur yammering on about EEEEMOOTIOOOOOOOOOOOOONS: Cage or Peter Molyneaux (I have no idea how to spell that).

 

[Draconalis]

Passing the controller around and making fun of the game is how I both co-oped AND enjoyed Heavy Rain.

 

[hazabaza1]

From what little I saw of a friend playing this game, the writing was horrible.

It wasn't that bad at first, but then it got to the birthday party and I just had to roll my eyes because of how stupid it was. Kids can be horrible little monsters yeah, but that was just silly. "Show us your super murder ghost powers!" followed shortly by "A book!? BUUUURN HEEEEER!". Not to mention how stereotypically over the top the kids were acting before that.

Has it ever occurred to you that, you know, the characters were INTENDED to be stereotypical?

Something being intentional=/=something being good.

There's nothing wrong with admitting that something you like might have a few problems.

 

[shogunblade]

It feels like David Cage has become the Video Game Equivalent of M. Night Shyamalan, so it's only a matter of Time before he makes "The Happening" of Video games and the world rejoices at the unintentional comedy.

OT: I don't think I will ever pick up the game now. With everything everybody has said, plus the demo I played, Yahtzee has sort of solidified it for me. I know naysayers will come out of the woodwork to defend Cage's game, but honestly, with Indigo Prophecy, he at least had something resembling artistic control, and it wasn't that bad, despite what many people say about it.

Heavy Rain is where the relationship soured the more I played it, but it was fun for what I played.

Beyond: Two Souls, sadly, feels like it sort of supports what many say of the film industry: It's not the special effects budget you have (read: Emotions your characters can give off), it's the story.

What we need now is somebody who can utilize the tech, something I think Cage has proven well enough, and give way to a better scriptwriter, before Cage embarrasses himself further.

 

[Mr_Terrific]

I don't mind bad reviews but why do they all go on and on about David Cage as if he and he alone made the game. It just shows bias to be honest. If you don't like Cage, don't review his shit. Easy.

@the people who watched gameplay videos

Don't be stupid. It's not that type of game.

@the people that have actually played the game

You're right, it's not as bad as the people that hate David Cage make it out to be.

Lastly, TWD has the same amount of not actual gameplay gameplay and everyone eats that shit up. Perhaps I'm the only one that could give a shit about the girl or what everyone else raves about but the game is just not that good. *everyone notices or didn't notices this comment*

 

[Vegosiux]

Beyond: Two Souls is one of those games where a sequel name will be awkward if it does happen. Like Army of Two Two.

Beyond: Two Souls 2: Some Souls we Found in the Hedge: Electric Boogaloo?

If that ain't colon cancer I don't know what is.

On a just barely related note, I would love it if Yahtzee ended up with the game being "such utter colon semi-colon pound sign exclamation mark...see, I just verbally censored the word 'shite'".

 

[james.sponge]

So we can all agree the game is bad and sony just lost sh*tload of money by paying this small boy they call Ellen and the rest of the cast, not mentioning all that expensive motion-capture. I think David Cage may soon lose his job Well at least it is going to be emotional!

 

[Proverbial Jon]

I'm starting to wonder if David Beige has ever actually talked to a real woman before.

This review is actually a lot like trying to play through any of David Beige's games: Soul crushing.

Did you know that before going to talk to Ellen Page about appearing in his very shitty game that he compiled a massive scrapbook of pictures of her as a child he found on the internet? And that he took it with him to their interview.

http://www.lazygamer.net/general-news/david-cage-went-crazy-for-ellen-page/

This makes the fact that he actually rendered her model completely naked and extremely detailed for the shower scene all the creepier.

Then again, his last female character spent the entire game appealing to a variety of fetishes and saying "you go girl" to herself so we didn't have very far to fall.

I did not know about that. I mean, seriously, that's serial killer behaviour.

I was on the fence for a while about buying this game. But when I saw a brief clip of naked rendered Ellen Page on Youtube I was like: nope! I couldn't believe he hyped the game up for having such a "famous actress" only to reduce her to just another one of his sexy fan-wank renders. Now we know why he truly wants all those polygons.

His portrayal of women is absolutely appalling; naive at best and downright disgusting at worst. It's more akin to the daydreaming machinations of a young teenager's perverted mind. The fact that he based his entire game around nothing more than images of an actress he didn't even know says a lot about the game and the way his mind works.

 

[Grach]

Did you know that before going to talk to Ellen Page about appearing in his very shitty game that he compiled a massive scrapbook of pictures of her as a child he found on the internet? And that he took it with him to their interview.

http://www.lazygamer.net/general-news/david-cage-went-crazy-for-ellen-page/

This makes the fact that he actually rendered her model completely naked and extremely detailed for the shower scene all the creepier.

Then again, his last female character spent the entire game appealing to a variety of fetishes and saying "you go girl" to herself so we didn't have very far to fall.

I thought Matt and Pat from Two Best Friends play made that up, Holy shit!

Anyway, I came thinking it'd be a typical Dahvid Cahge emohtians "game" and lo and behold! I was proven right!