Zero Punctuation: Beyond: Two Souls

[shogunblade]

OT: I don't think I will ever pick up the game now. With everything everybody has said,

Can't you just ignore what other people said? And if you can't, then are you just intentionally ignoring the high scores the game got together with the low scores?



I really wish people could decide for themselves. When the first reviews I saw of Beyond were negative (5/10), my intention to play the game didn't change in the slightest. When the other reviews i saw were positive (5/10), my intention to play the game didn't change in the slightest.

GTA5 got amazing perfect scores, and I think that game is crap. Because I made my own decision, no matter what other might tell me.


So, what is wrong with me, I wonder. Why don't I get influenced by scores and group-mind like everyone else. :/

I haven't played GTA 5 and I'm not really eager to play it, and I only own a PS3. By not playing this game, I'm only disappointing myself, I realize that. I may still pick it up one day (I was being hyperbolic), but I'm not willing to play it for the price it is at now, not when the demo left me quite dissatisfied with what the full game could potentially be.

Addressing your point on thinking for myself: A lot of my favorite games, and even some movies, are the ones nobody really cares for. I do think for myself, I'm just saying when the majority and I agree (for whatever my opinion is worth based on the demo I played), That doesn't make me want to pick up that game to try to assume they are just wrong.

 

[james.sponge]

Actually ten years ago Valve was bragging about the facial animations in Half Life 2.

They were bragging about lots of possibilities offered by source but they made a good game in the process so 'yay^^' for them.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

I'm so glad Yahtzee ripped David Cage a new asshole with this review. David Cage makes unique games, sure. But unique doesn't mean good. He's a talentless man who couldn't make it in the movie industry.

 

[Vale]

Yahtzee should review WOLFAMONGOUS.
I'm sure he would just LOVE the DEEP AND INVOLVED GAEME MEKANIKS.

 

[The_Echo]

I haven't played Beyond: Two Souls yet, but it seems to me that David Cage's games are always love-it-or-hate-it.

And since I enjoyed Heavy Rain, and thought Indigo Prophecy was pretty neato... I'm sure I'll enjoy this one.

Unless it's like so bad that not even David Cage fans like it.

 

[Johnson McGee]

I'd gauge that Yahtzee really earned his wage for this sage Cage Page rage.

 

[Sheo_Dagana]

@the people that have actually played the game

You're right, it's not as bad as the people that hate David Cage make it out to be.

Lastly, TWD has the same amount of not actual gameplay gameplay and everyone eats that shit up. Perhaps I'm the only one that could give a shit about the girl or what everyone else raves about but the game is just not that good. *everyone notices or didn't notices this comment*

I don't hate David Cage, but the game does have severely glaring faults, not the least of which are it's awful controls.

The Walking Dead, unlike Beyond, had more fully developed characters (not just Clementine) that didn't overact or cry every five minutes in order to define themselves. Jodie has no personality outside of being shy and sad, and for that matter, no one else in the game was anything more than their character archetypes. The Walking Dead was a low-budget game with a story and characters that are far more fleshed out, despite not having the technology afforded to Quantic Dream.

 

[mjc0961]

Yeah, Ellen's second imaginary friend the camera was a definite pain in the ass. It's pretty sad when one of the hardest tasks in the game is navigating her apartment to try and clean it but you can't because the camera keeps swinging around at random and the direction she's walking changes with it. I wanted Aiden to spend less time trying to stop Jodie and more time trying to stop the fucking camera, but of course the bastard was probably working with the camera.

 

[MB202]

I wish I could make a David Cage impression that's as good as Jim Sterling's for this...

 

[In Search of Username]

Is David Cage just Hideo Kojima but with all the flashes of narrative genius cut out, essentially leaving just a nice concept that quickly disintegrates into nonsense?

 

[Schadrach]

The only one of those I've seen was Inception it seems. Can't say I cared one bit for the pile of sophmoric blather so it's a bit of a blur to me, aside from Edith Piaf. Even Nolans inane movies can't ruin Edith Piaf. Was Ellen Page that girl who was like some sort of wizard kid the Leonardo found at some school?

Yeah, she played Ariadne, the character named for the greek goddess associated with mazes and labyrinths. Who then spent a decent bit of time building mazes and labyrinths. A bit on the nose, but it's not like Araidne is a particularly well known deity.

It apears to only have made a good rap song,otherwise its a pile of roten pickle juice?

Fine by me,it didnt even seem like much to begn with.
Looks like The Stanley Parable but way worst...

How can you hate on the Stanley Parable? It's at least clever at times. Personally I got a kick out of the red door ending, which I expect to be one that Yahtzee will comment on if he ever does the game. It's just needlessly cruel to the Narrator.

 

[wooty]

As much as I'd love to have unrestricted access to Ellen Page's body one day, I dont think I'll buy this game. Too many other things on the horizon for my hard earned wages I'm afraid.

 

[Imp_Emissary]

I don't mind bad reviews but why do they all go on and on about David Cage as if he and he alone made the game. It just shows bias to be honest. If you don't like Cage, don't review his shit. Easy.

@the people who watched gameplay videos

Don't be stupid. It's not that type of game.

@the people that have actually played the game

You're right, it's not as bad as the people that hate David Cage make it out to be.

Lastly, TWD has the same amount of not actual gameplay gameplay and everyone eats that shit up. Perhaps I'm the only one that could give a shit about the girl or what everyone else raves about but the game is just not that good. *everyone notices or didn't notices this comment*

Mr_T, you're being a bit unreasonable.

Reviews aren't bias, they are opinions, based on experiences.

Just as you don't like The Walking Dead, but do like Beyond: Two Souls. There are people who happen to like The Walking Dead, but not Beyond: Two Souls.

It's not because they hate David Cage. They just didn't enjoy the game.
Some people did. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_nyNvq7ESo
And some people didn't. http://www.destructoid.com/review-beyond-two-souls-263180.phtml

No one is "right".

As for me?

I haven't played either game, so I couldn't really say.
Heard good and bad things about both though.

 

[Psychobabble]

Someone in Hollywood needs to give Cage a job writing and directing straight to video movies so he'll stop mucking up the gaming sphere.

To all game makers out there, if your game idea is 50% or more little films instead of game play, it ISN'T a game. Do everyone a favor and get the fuck out of the industry.

 

[JimB]

So the thrust of this review seems to be that this movie isn't the best video game ever. Makes sense, in that light.

The thing that struck me about this game is it's almost exactly the game that Sarkeesian asked for. Less like a game and more like a movie. And what gameplay there is, make it easy as fuck. It even has a female protagonist. Dunno if I was the only one that noticed this but I expect to hear her gushing about it any day now.

It seems like you really had to force it to make this review an opportunity to insult Ms. Sarkeesian.

 

[ZZoMBiE13]

I know that no one is still reading the comments by the time we are up to 3 pages, but I have to say that "Despite Ellen Page I'm still just a rat in a cage" is my new favorite ZP quote.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Is David Cage just Hideo Kojima but with all the flashes of narrative genius cut out, essentially leaving just a nice concept that quickly disintegrates into nonsense?

He's Hideo Kojima without the flashes of narrative and gameplay genius. So basically the only two things they have in common is the fact that they're both males in gaming industry.

 

[In Search of Username]

Is David Cage just Hideo Kojima but with all the flashes of narrative genius cut out, essentially leaving just a nice concept that quickly disintegrates into nonsense?

He's Hideo Kojima without the flashes of narrative and gameplay genius. So basically the only two things they have in common is the fact that they're both males in gaming industry.

Well yes, also that. I was comparing them because they're both kinda pervy and both seem to be unable to write dialogue that sounds anything like actual people talking to each other.

I love Kojima though, don't get me wrong.

The thing that struck me about this game is it's almost exactly the game that Sarkeesian asked for. Less like a game and more like a movie. And what gameplay there is, make it easy as fuck. It even has a female protagonist. Dunno if I was the only one that noticed this but I expect to hear her gushing about it any day now.

Wh... when did she say she wanted any of that other than the female protagonist bit?

 

[maxben]

All right I'm just gonna come right out and say it. With the exception of all the controversy around the Last of Us and this game, I have no fraking idea who the fuck Ellen Page is. Can someone please tell me what the big broo ha ha is? How come so many people love her and how come so many people here hate her?

I honestly didn't know she was so popular down south. I've followed her career for a while but only because I'm Canadian and loved the Canadian show Regenesis which she was on when she was younger (anyone else actually see that show? Its goddamned brilliant!). She was also on the show Trailer Park Boys (also Canadian) but I'm not a fan of that show. Also, Hard Candy is one of my favourite movies ever and I think its her best movie by far in terms of acting. I would recommend it to anyone.

 

[Entitled]

Knowing that Yathzee has a long established hate-boner for pretty much every game and genre that doesn't fit his Grand Unified Theory of "optimal" story/gameplay ratio, I would take it with a grain of salt whether the story is actually bad, or just doesn't fit certain expectations about precisely what extent of gameplay is the only one able to maximize fun.