Zero Punctuation: Borderlands 2

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If he doesn't get why 'the boss the defeated team widdlebiscuit' was so easy he must've stopped playing literally right after he killed said boss. Cuz the very next thing that happens explains it.
I'm surprised he reviewed this game at all actually given his response to the first.
 

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I can not seem to play the video any ideas? I ave tried all troubleshooting and nothing.
 

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Duffeknol said:
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Thank God. Yahtzee still seems to be the only sane person left on earth when it comes to these absolutely putrid games.

I know looking to find your opinion validated on the internet is pretty lame, but it can sure as hell feel satisfying sometimes, especially when half the internet tried to kick you to death if you so much as mumble that you don't like Borderlands because it's repetitive and boring, and that comparing numbers to more numbers shouldn't be anyone's idea of fun.
You mad bro?

Beter yet, have you even played it?
I actually enjoy the setting and its satirical take on a variety of game and story genres.
Of course I've played it. With 'it' I mean Borderlands 1. Gave it a full day. Played it for like 10 hours straight. Didn't get interesting, uninstalled. It can be satirical all it wants, but the gameplay makes me want to shoot myself.
So in other words you played Borderlands 1...but not Borderlands 2...even though the second game is different, to the point where many that didn't like the first game liked the second one. I don't really see how your statement "Yahtzee still seems to be the only sane person left on earth when it comes to these absolutely putrid games" can be anything but misinformed and rather insulting.
 

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el_kabong said:
Yep. Have to agree with the review. Watched a friend play it for about an hour and was flabbergasted at how much time he had to spend opening boxes. Also, he confirmed that the shooting was as "sticky" as the original. I'm really fussy when it comes to my FPS mechanics, so I'm glad I didn't pick this game up.
What did he mean by "sticky"? In the Options menu you can disable auto-aim, where the reticule snaps to an enemy. Free aiming is waaaaaaay better. If he meant that the controls were not effective...oh well. Most of the box/chest opening relates to ammo and is necessary to avoid running out. Anyway, I think you're missing out. The story, characters, combat and general pacing are all excellent and indicative of a dev team that has listened to fans. Except about vehicle handling which still blows. It's almost like they kept it like that on purpose!
 

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pandorum said:
I can not seem to play the video any ideas? I ave tried all troubleshooting and nothing.
I'm having the same issue: the ZP video just appears as an embedded image rather than a playable video. It's the same on my phone and laptop. Little help?
 

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Abandon4093 said:
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Good.

Another reason not to buy it.
Stop taking ZP seriously. He's a comedian, not a critic.
Let me guess my comment riled you up because you like Borderlands 2?
I agree with Yahtzee about most games he reviews so yes I do take what he says under lots of consideration.
Zero punctuation isn't a review, it's a piece of entertainment. If you're using these as some sort of yardstick by which to judge the games and not just laughing at the ball and tit jokes. You're doing it wrong.

Watch an actual review, you know. One that goes into detail about how the games actually play.
Uhh... No. I'd rather have someone tell me right out whether or not a game is shit without watching him play it for 15 minutes before he sums it all up in a manner that is just as "subjective" as a ZP review.
Translation, you want to be told what games you like.

Suppose that's alright if you're really indecisive or something.

Personally I'd rather someone break down how the game plays with some footage so I can make an informed decision on whether or not I'm likely to enjoy it.

Yahtzee doesn't write reviews, he writes humorous critiques. They're meant to entertain, not inform.
So, you just like having other reviewers tell you what games to buy. People that just take longer to say the same things that ZP does and who's opinions are just as subjective as Yahtzee's.

Or... is it that some other reviewers have similar tastes to yours and you can use them to help make decisions on what games to get. Kind of like I do with ZP and Yahtzee who hasn't ever given me a good review of a bad game.

Love your stupid snarky attitude, but I can correct your translation.

Translation: I like being told what games ARE like. And Yahtzee does that, and has similar tastes in games to mine.
 

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-Dragmire- said:
Char-Nobyl said:
Elamdri said:
3 things I agree with:

1: The sissification of the original 4 heroes is incredibly contrived.
2: The vehicles handle awful.
3: Not being able to track multiple quests sucks

one thing I think he should have mentioned: The farming aspect, especially red chest farming or farming Sanctuary for Eridum.
Numbers 2 and 3 are valid, but thus far, everyone and their mother has called Yahtzee on number 1.

Anyone who played the game knows which boss he's referring to...and it seems like everyone who played the game until the end of the same quest where you fight that boss knows that being able to beat him where the original four Vault Hunters failed is a very, very, very big plot point.
I thought Yahtzee meant the original characters seemed weaker because they were defeated in this game after beating the big bad of the last game.

I never played the first game so going through Borderlands 2 doesn't give me that problem.
Nope. You remember Wilhelm, right? Tall robot, spinning arms, that sort of thing? And how pretty much everyone except the Guardian Angel was telling you to run your ass away from him because of how he'd thrashed the original Vault Hunters?

That's the boss he was talking about. Literally finishing the same quest he's encountered would have explained to Yahtzee why he could take him down despite how hyped-up he was.
 

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Char-Nobyl said:
-Dragmire- said:
Char-Nobyl said:
Elamdri said:
3 things I agree with:

1: The sissification of the original 4 heroes is incredibly contrived.
2: The vehicles handle awful.
3: Not being able to track multiple quests sucks

one thing I think he should have mentioned: The farming aspect, especially red chest farming or farming Sanctuary for Eridum.
Numbers 2 and 3 are valid, but thus far, everyone and their mother has called Yahtzee on number 1.

Anyone who played the game knows which boss he's referring to...and it seems like everyone who played the game until the end of the same quest where you fight that boss knows that being able to beat him where the original four Vault Hunters failed is a very, very, very big plot point.
I thought Yahtzee meant the original characters seemed weaker because they were defeated in this game after beating the big bad of the last game.

I never played the first game so going through Borderlands 2 doesn't give me that problem.
Nope. You remember Wilhelm, right? Tall robot, spinning arms, that sort of thing? And how pretty much everyone except the Guardian Angel was telling you to run your ass away from him because of how he'd thrashed the original Vault Hunters?

That's the boss he was talking about. Literally finishing the same quest he's encountered would have explained to Yahtzee why he could take him down despite how hyped-up he was.
Does that mean Wilhelm is way stronger than the tentacle monster that came from the vault in the last game?

So by order of strength:

Wilhelm>Original Borderlands cast>Final Boss of the original Borderlands

What I meant before is that I assume Yahtzee was saying that the old cast seem weaker now by introducing an enemy that dwarfs the final boss of the last game.

btw, I haven't beaten Borderlands 2 yet so at this point people are just saying, "If Wilhelm shows up, run.". Haven't met him yet.
 

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Atmos Duality said:
FallenMessiah88 said:
So it's basically the same as the first Borderlands, only now it takes place in a snow/ice environment? Yeah, that was also my conclusion after watching a friend play it.
That's maybe the first 5% of the game.
I never said it was a bad thing. There's nothing wrong with a sequel that's basically a "bigger, better and more badass" version of it's predecessor.
 

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-Dragmire- said:
Does that mean Wilhelm is way stronger than the tentacle monster that came from the vault in the last game?

So by order of strength:

Wilhelm>Original Borderlands cast>Final Boss of the original Borderlands

What I meant before is that I assume Yahtzee was saying that the old cast seem weaker now by introducing an enemy that dwarfs the final boss of the last game.
I'm assuming that he had support, but nonetheless, yeah. He was pretty damn powerful. I don't think that power scales as easily as you depict it here, but yeah. Powerful. And something completely different from what the Vault Hunters were used to fighting, so he had that to his advantage, too.

-Dragmire- said:
btw, I haven't beaten Borderlands 2 yet so at this point people are just saying, "If Wilhelm shows up, run.". Haven't met him yet.
Ah, that'd do it. I thought you were the original guy I was responding to for a post there. It had me a bit confused.
 

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Huh. I actually enjoy the driving mechanics. (At least they operate well on a mouse/keyboard)

I actually had to warn off a friend on buying the game. Its simple and restated, BL2 is simply more of BL1. Yes they took the generic shooter path to progression. If ya didn't enjoy the first one, it would be impossible to enjoy the newest installment. (Not sure that this would be untrue for any other games.)

Great review thought.
 

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Man we have many comments here :D

Don't own this game neither the first, so I give a crap if it's good or bad. So let's jump to the ZP-review:
I think I have watched too many episodes (yeah, I have the "watched all!"-badge...) because the most funny thing in this episode was, when Yahzee was not saying anything! :p
 

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For the most part the Assault rifles are the only thing that suck ass in this game. Right now I have a gun that does actually take longer to reload than to shoot its 19 round clip.
 

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Hi, sorry. lemme just butt in right here- Ah, that's better.

Now, I'm not sure if this has already been said or nothin', I kinda just skimmed the thread, read a few points here and there and generally saw the same kind of junk going on one can find in any forum anywhere, a bunch of trolling, baiting, laming, etc. with a few good posts here and there.

I consider myself a small fan of Yahtzee overall, his videos are always entertaining and hold some great points. I get the feeling he really is a person, not a spineless reviewer just going on either side of the spectrum based on their "professional" view of things. He has a voice is what I'm saying.

Now, I'm also a fan of the Borderlands series. That didn't stop me from having a chuckle from his first review, and I agreed with what he said about it for the most part. This review is the only one I've ever seen him do that seemed absolute garbage, like he was paid off to call it crap. I didn't get the same Yahtzee feeling from it. Instead of being all aflutter, I left the video feeling enraged, disappointed, and honestly shocked that a man who usually goes about his reviews so well turned up with nothing. The only comforting thought I had was, "Maybe he made it copy-paste of his first review to make a point that he feels it's the exact same game."

Honestly, his review plays as if he hadn't himself touched the game at all. More like he read up on the game, watched a few gameplay videos, and went on from there. Mentioning things like, "Go kill these bandits because they stole a component needed for the story quest." I've played through a few times on a few characters, and don't personally recall any story bit where bandits had stolen something that was central to the plot. Perhaps he was making reference to the power core or the stuff needed for the bandit technical? Not too clear on that one, sir. You sure you played the game?

Beyond that, he goes on to say not a single thing has changed about the game. Last I checked, I breezed through the first game due to its poor AI, limited enemies, and ammunition falling out of my armpits. 2 opens up with a can of whoop-ass, giving you a dinky gun and telling you to fight that boss who, with one hit, has you down to 30 health and summons large enemy types to assist him. Meanwhile, no matter the character you're playing, you're fighting with an almost worthless gun, an incredibly limited bit of ammunition (and that's if you raided claptrap's place and got lucky)running around trying to survive the next Fight for Your Life.

He failed to mention any real specifics about the game, doesn't improved cover bases he whined about in the first game, and seems to hate it merely because he hated the first. Yes, it's the same as 1, but they never advertised it as anything BUT more of Borderlands. (Disguising it as new and improved, indeed.) I didn't expect Yahtzee to like the game, RPGs don't seem to be his cup of tea. I expected, as is normally the case for his videos, that he would actually review it instead of bash it the way I would expect a fanboy of MW to bash CoD, not bringing up any valid points, not mentioning the differences, making generalized accusations and spewing "facts" that anyone that had played the game would understand.

I'm not pissed because he bashed a game I enjoyed, I'm pissed because he seems to have fractured his integrity. This wasn't a ZP video to me, it was a cheap attempt to recreate a truly wonderful web series.

P.S. No, I'm not proof reading this wall of text, just like you likely won't read it at all.
 

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Char-Nobyl said:
Elamdri said:
3 things I agree with:

1: The sissification of the original 4 heroes is incredibly contrived.
2: The vehicles handle awful.
3: Not being able to track multiple quests sucks

one thing I think he should have mentioned: The farming aspect, especially red chest farming or farming Sanctuary for Eridum.
Numbers 2 and 3 are valid, but thus far, everyone and their mother has called Yahtzee on number 1.

Anyone who played the game knows which boss he's referring to...and it seems like everyone who played the game until the end of the same quest where you fight that boss knows that being able to beat him where the original four Vault Hunters failed is a very, very, very big plot point. I can only think of three possible reasons why you couldn't figure it out:

-You can't speak English and couldn't get the alternate-language subtitles to work, which obviously doesn't fit for Yahtzee.

-You are deaf and illiterate, because there's no other way that you could reach that point in the game and neither understand what's being said or simply understand the text being presented to you unless you were incapable of reading and hearing.

-You didn't play past the boss fight.

So...yeah. It looks like he simply didn't play past that boss fight, which was fairly early on in the game (comparatively).
Or perhaps you're missing what I'm saying. Yes, I understand that the Whilhelm fight was a trap. But as you play through the game, it's pretty clear that they are artificially turning the original 4 heroes into schmucks.

Roland would never have gotten taken out like that
Brick would never send you off like an errand boy
Mordecai would have bust down the doors to get Bloodwing back himself

You see what I'm saying? Those 4 beat the destroyer, they beat Crawmerax, they Beat Knoxx. They're badasses in their own right. They should have WIPED THE FLOOR with Jack when he came to Pandora, but they didn't.

And that's what I'm saying. Them transforming from big badass heroes into pansies feels incredibly contrived.