Zero Punctuation: Darksiders 2
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So all the problems Yahtzee stated are true, but just hearing about the game made me go off and play it some more.
"It's like their bible was written by Image Comics in the 90's."
Now that's a scary thought. Aside from Spawn, Jim Lee's W.I.L.D. Cats, and Savage Dragon most of Image's early titles were about as deep as a sidewalk puddle.
Now that's a scary thought. Aside from Spawn, Jim Lee's W.I.L.D. Cats, and Savage Dragon most of Image's early titles were about as deep as a sidewalk puddle.
...Was that a Discworld reference in the beginning, with the whole "William Death Esq." bit?
Anyways, very funny review. Informative, too. I want to use the phrase "Fractal Padding" now...
Anyways, very funny review. Informative, too. I want to use the phrase "Fractal Padding" now...
Tha could also just you being over enthusiastic with a morphine drip.FantomOmega said:
That said I think Yahtzee's criticism of 40k is fair given the eyes he views it through... those of a video game critic. To be honest video games never seem to have touched upon much besides extremely violent clashes of troops involving groups like Space Marines and Imperial Guard pretty much "on the clock" all the time. To really dig into what's going on behind Warhammer 40k you need to look at things like "Rogue Trader", "Inquisitor" or various novels, and to be honest that is all secondary material behind the minatures game (which is all combat) and the video games that are largely out to duplicate the minatures game and of course be deliberatly mindless hack and slash.
From the perspective of your average Space Marine, what the forces of chaos represent and how they differ doesn't much matter. To really explore that in a heroic context you'd need to see it from the perspective of an Inqusitor from the Ordo Malleus who is allowed that kind of information to aid against fighting against them. The forced ignorance of Warhammer 40k is an interesting concept, but it makes experiencing the world through most characters dfficult, most of the lore behind Space Marines and such involving exposition in codexes and the like which has no real bearing on anything other than to maybe explain some minor bonus.
I have a sneaking suspicion that Yahtzee might change his tone on 40K by a little bit if someone would make a good Ciaphas Cain videogame. Seems like the kind of thing he might like.Therumancer said:Tha could also just you being over enthusiastic with a morphine drip.FantomOmega said:
That said I think Yahtzee's criticism of 40k is fair given the eyes he views it through... those of a video game critic. To be honest video games never seem to have touched upon much besides extremely violent clashes of troops involving groups like Space Marines and Imperial Guard pretty much "on the clock" all the time. To really dig into what's going on behind Warhammer 40k you need to look at things like "Rogue Trader", "Inquisitor" or various novels, and to be honest that is all secondary material behind the minatures game (which is all combat) and the video games that are largely out to duplicate the minatures game and of course be deliberatly mindless hack and slash.
From the perspective of your average Space Marine, what the forces of chaos represent and how they differ doesn't much matter. To really explore that in a heroic context you'd need to see it from the perspective of an Inqusitor from the Ordo Malleus who is allowed that kind of information to aid against fighting against them. The forced ignorance of Warhammer 40k is an interesting concept, but it makes experiencing the world through most characters dfficult, most of the lore behind Space Marines and such involving exposition in codexes and the like which has no real bearing on anything other than to maybe explain some minor bonus.
Come to think of it, that game would be rather cool. It'd be a bit like Mass Effect, except that all the dialogue options wouldn't be "Idealistic/Good/Paragon vs. Pragmatic/Bad/Renegade"; but rather they'd be "Order Jurgen to do something", "take the piss out of someone/thing with a good snark", "Cover Ass", or "Lie Ass off". The combat portions would consist of hiding behind cover until the scary noises stop.
I've seen footage of people playing this game. And it looks good. If you think you might like it I would suggest looking at Classic game Room's review of Darksiders 2. It's on the more optimistic wavelength. I don't know how much the game costs right now though. If it's 60 to 50 dollars I'd just say to pass on principle of saving money.
Exactly. It's a fun game. And I hear it even has a New Game+ option. I didn't beat it yet. Don't have the time these days to play very much. But when I do I enjoy.MonkeyPunch said:
I think yahtzee needs to look at things like Darksiders and Warhammer from a different perspective. Instead of trying to make sense of its madness and why everyone's answer to every scenario is GRAAHH WE FIGHT NOW just embrace the stupidity and absurdity and laugh at it while attempting to have at least some degree of childlike gleeful fun with it.
That's why I like these games and 40k, because I am completely aware how juvenile and stupid they are but that's what I enjoy about them. Their's a place in my mind for goofy nonsense like Mario, theirs a place for serious mature things and their's a place for teenage empowerment fantasy nonsense. I don't see why so many people get to a certain age and decide one ore more of these things has to be abandoned. Guess I'm just weird. I mean I even think Darksiders is pretty self aware, its a game made by guys who know how absurdly "90s teenage comic books" their games seem but they have fun with it, they are never trying to be overly serious all the time.
That's why I like these games and 40k, because I am completely aware how juvenile and stupid they are but that's what I enjoy about them. Their's a place in my mind for goofy nonsense like Mario, theirs a place for serious mature things and their's a place for teenage empowerment fantasy nonsense. I don't see why so many people get to a certain age and decide one ore more of these things has to be abandoned. Guess I'm just weird. I mean I even think Darksiders is pretty self aware, its a game made by guys who know how absurdly "90s teenage comic books" their games seem but they have fun with it, they are never trying to be overly serious all the time.
First ZP in a while that actually made me laugh more than a little half-chuckle of recognition here or there. Especially at the description of the plot at the end.
On a related note, I want to get Darksiders 2 but I never actually finished the first Darksiders. Should I play through it first to avoid spoilers and what-not?
On a related note, I want to get Darksiders 2 but I never actually finished the first Darksiders. Should I play through it first to avoid spoilers and what-not?
They pretty much HAD to rename the other 2 riders but how cool would it be to actually play as Conquest a.k.a the White Rider a.k.a Jesus Christ (or so some believe)? Then again, some believe Conquest to be the bringer of War, which makes the second rider War, a bit redundant.
Famine is completely undoable in a video game unless it's like Darksiders 3: Farmville or something..
Also, I thought Death was simply the Reaper of Souls...not the lord of the underworld which Yahtzee seems to believe.
Eh...whatever. The Bible is just as fictitious as Darksiders anyway...
Famine is completely undoable in a video game unless it's like Darksiders 3: Farmville or something..
Also, I thought Death was simply the Reaper of Souls...not the lord of the underworld which Yahtzee seems to believe.
Eh...whatever. The Bible is just as fictitious as Darksiders anyway...
Darksiders 2 takes place during the same time as the first game. So Darksiders 2 only spoils the first 20 or so minutes of the original which isn't a big deal considering you've probably seen it already...Ljs1121 said:
I still want to get Darksiders 2 though, and the first one for that matter.
And I always thought Pestilence WAS one of the original horsemen.
And I always thought Pestilence WAS one of the original horsemen.
