Good intentions don't necessarily make for good storytelling.Buccura said:Once again Yahtzee scoffs are a game that tries to say something about racism, seeming to ignore the fact that it is still a huge problem in our soceity.
I'm not trying to say the story is good. It's a David Cage game, after all.Johnny Novgorod said:Good intentions don't necessarily make for good storytelling.Buccura said:Once again Yahtzee scoffs are a game that tries to say something about racism, seeming to ignore the fact that it is still a huge problem in our soceity.
Tries is the big word here, right? Does anyone know what the game says about racism? I don't. Trying to say something while failing to say anything surely is something to scoff at.Buccura said:Once again Yahtzee scoffs are a game that tries to say something about racism, seeming to ignore the fact that it is still a huge problem in our soceity.
Yeah, Cage really doesn't get how a domestic abuse situation works. Or human interaction in general. I laughed my ass off when he claimed people should judge him by his work when those abuse allegations came out. Okay, Davey, judging by your work you're a sexist, racist manchild who shouldn't be allowed near any heavy machinery. At the end of the day the man is a jokeerttheking said:Funny you mention Jim Sterling, he wrote an article on how it's an utter farce. And he grew up in an abusive home.darkrage6 said:Snip
http://www.thejimquisition.com/detroits-domestic-abuse-trailer-is-a-hackneyed-farce/
It's not that he scoffed at how it failed to say something about racism, again I hardly expect David Cage to give something insightful. It's that he scoffed at the very idea of it, just like how he scoffed at the idea of Deus Ex Mankind Divided having a racism analogue before even going into whether or not it did it well.McElroy said:Tries is the big word here, right? Does anyone know what the game says about racism? I don't. Trying to say something while failing to say anything surely is something to scoff at.Buccura said:Once again Yahtzee scoffs are a game that tries to say something about racism, seeming to ignore the fact that it is still a huge problem in our soceity.
They're both poor attempts in any way you look at it, though Detroit far more hackneyed and shallow. They're both also cowardly with the theme as they refuse to ever acknowledge real-life racism and instead prefer to use a fantasised version where much more whities can be visibly empathised with, for it is nought but a window-dressing as a hope that their own story looks deeper. What questions were ever asked or explored? Where, who and how is this type of racism accepted and encouraged by parts of humanity? What various problems and psychologies are perpetuating this? What else other than "hey...racism bad, amirite?" Except with Deus Ex it still makes far more sense here.Buccura said:It's not that he scoffed at how it failed to say something about racism, again I hardly expect David Cage to give something insightful. It's that he scoffed at the very idea of it, just like how he scoffed at the idea of Deus Ex Mankind Divided having a racism analogue before even going into whether or not it did it well.
It's arguably been explored better in other Video Games. Off the top of my head:Canadamus Prime said:You really do get the impression that David Cage would much rather be making films.
EDIT: Besides hasn't the concept of humanity, AI, and androids been explored much better in other mediums? Things like Blade Runner, Bicentennial Man, AI: Artificial Intelligence, Star Trek: The Next Generation...
Wasn't it also a subplot in Fallout 4? I haven't played it, but I seem to recall picking that up somewhere.Dalisclock said:It's arguably been explored better in other Video Games. Off the top of my head:Canadamus Prime said:You really do get the impression that David Cage would much rather be making films.
EDIT: Besides hasn't the concept of humanity, AI, and androids been explored much better in other mediums? Things like Blade Runner, Bicentennial Man, AI: Artificial Intelligence, Star Trek: The Next Generation...
-Deus Ex(the first one particularly but HR wasn't terrible either).
-Nier: Automata
-Final Fantasy IX
I'm sure there a ton more that I'm spacing at the moment.
I've heard it is but I haven't played it yet either. Waiting for the complete/GOTW edition to drop to like $30 before buying it, because I'm tired of buying the base Bethesda game and then having to rebuy it again with all the expansions 3-4 years later. I decided "Fuck it, when the entire game is released, I'll buy it and judge it from there".Canadamus Prime said:Wasn't it also a subplot in Fallout 4? I haven't played it, but I seem to recall picking that up somewhere.Dalisclock said:It's arguably been explored better in other Video Games. Off the top of my head:Canadamus Prime said:You really do get the impression that David Cage would much rather be making films.
EDIT: Besides hasn't the concept of humanity, AI, and androids been explored much better in other mediums? Things like Blade Runner, Bicentennial Man, AI: Artificial Intelligence, Star Trek: The Next Generation...
-Deus Ex(the first one particularly but HR wasn't terrible either).
-Nier: Automata
-Final Fantasy IX
I'm sure there a ton more that I'm spacing at the moment.
I have no interest in it since I found out that the over-simplified the dialogue system and thus removed most of the role-playing.Dalisclock said:I've heard it is but I haven't played it yet either. Waiting for the complete/GOTW edition to drop to like $30 before buying it, because I'm tired of buying the base Bethesda game and then having to rebuy it again with all the expansions 3-4 years later. I decided "Fuck it, when the entire game is released, I'll buy it and judge it from there".Canadamus Prime said:Wasn't it also a subplot in Fallout 4? I haven't played it, but I seem to recall picking that up somewhere.Dalisclock said:It's arguably been explored better in other Video Games. Off the top of my head:Canadamus Prime said:You really do get the impression that David Cage would much rather be making films.
EDIT: Besides hasn't the concept of humanity, AI, and androids been explored much better in other mediums? Things like Blade Runner, Bicentennial Man, AI: Artificial Intelligence, Star Trek: The Next Generation...
-Deus Ex(the first one particularly but HR wasn't terrible either).
-Nier: Automata
-Final Fantasy IX
I'm sure there a ton more that I'm spacing at the moment.
So I'm behind on RPG's right now that I haven't really noticed the wait either.