Zero Punctuation: Deus Ex

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ewhac said:
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Also, few days ago I just like Yahtz have installed Deux Ex, and it's very playable (after you download 2 gigabytes of community fixes and mods).
Which fixes and mods would these be? I have an original installation that still works perfectly well, but it would be nice to make it even better.
Well, mine didn't work (colors and sounds were glitched). I followed this tutorial: http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/ceuyh/step_by_step_moddingguide_deus_ex_i_spilled_my/
 

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Now he's got my anticipation building. On one hand, I'd like to see what he has to say about Human Revolution, especially after revisiting the famous original title, but on the other hand, I dread the all-but-inevitable cutting to ribbons of a game I really, really enjoyed.
 

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http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?s=0854a290a60f2a59dea9f056e769faa3&t=1235278
McShizzle said:
Shifter [http://www.moddb.com/mods/shifter1] - fixes some remaining bugs, spruces up gameplay

New Vision [http://www.moddb.com/mods/deus-ex-new-vision] - High-res textures

HDTP [http://www.moddb.com/mods/project-hdtp] - Higher poly models (not finished, only a few models right now, but still nice)

Deus Ex Revision [http://www.moddb.com/mods/deus-ex-revision] - A remake of some levels that were bland (optional, but I like it quite a bit so far)

Kentie's Launcer [http://kentie.net/article/dxguide/index.htm] - UI and rendering updates (very nice)

Deus-Ex Enhanced [http://www.moddb.com/mods/deus-ex-enhanced] - Fixes some more UI stuff

Go on to ModDB [http://www.moddb.com/] to look them up.

Takes a little to get them to work together, but it's awesome when they do.
Thank you both very kindly for the pointers. I'll be chasing those down tonight.
 
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Signa said:
Having played the Thief series previously probably didn't help with the stealth much either. It just has different expectations for the player.
Didn't play Thief before "Deus Ex" (the only one I played was "The Deadly Shadows"), but I used the same tactics I used in Thief: baton the hell out of them unnoticed. ^_^ That's what I call "guerrilla" style of gameplay, not really stealth, since you leave corpses behind, but rather stealthy assault (MGS3 had the same style of gameplay for me).
 

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I don't get it. I really really don't get it. I don't understand the love for this game, and I never have. Its unituitive, its dull, its clunky and unpolished. The graphics are awful as well but that has absolutely nothing to do with my hate for this game.

I clicked on the review hoping Yahtzee would be the first critic to tear it a new one (since he normally seems to hate unintuitive gameplay and we tend to have similar tastes in games) but it sounds like even he found it quite good. I'm just at a loss now to be honest, I feel like I've played an entirely different game to everyone else, and I'm really starting to lose interest in what other gamers think about games since the majority seem to have such different opinions to me and discussing it all is so futile.

I've been playing Human Revolution and it absolutely destroys Deus Ex in every. single. way. The irony is, it's not even an excellent game. Its very good, and probably in my top 5 games of this year, but thats it. But it does everything Deus Ex did in a more entertaining, fluent, intuitive way. It is totally beyond me, how anyone can say a dated dinosaur of a game like Deus Ex can in any way hold a candle to Human Revolution, or for that matter, any decent game released in the last 5 years.
 

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sad truth about nostalgia: people like to delete impleasant parts of their memories. deus ex might have done many things well, yet it's no alibi that would make me play it just because everyone older than me says they did. Same with half life, Black Mesa is the only chance I'll ever try the franchise(continuity reasons).
 

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That about sums up my feelings when I tried to play Deus Ex for the first time recently. It really hasn't aged well.
 

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IMO the Witcher 2 is better the Deus Ex Human Revolution.

DEHR is a good game, just the Witcher 2 is an excellent game!
 

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Nothing about the awkward aiming that puts all awkward aiming before and since to absolute shame, where you have to stand still like an idiot pointing your gun at anything for 20 seconds before you can hit the broadside of a barn at ten paces, even if you're at Master level for that gun?

...Huh.
 

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I think what makes Deus Ex such a great game is quite simply because it never felt like it was trying to be something it wasn't. Despite all it's flaws, it became something unique and I think the developers were in tune with that. Even though the voice acting was atrocious, animations ridiculous, and a lot of the 'solutions' to levels being downright clunky, I don't think any other game has enthralled and immersed me quite as much, because something about the way it was designed was just intuitively thought out. It just oozes brilliance on a level that seems genuinely human, and not systematically manufactured.

I realize most gamers aren't connoisseurs and the current market for games has made a clear distinction behind what is considered "good design" and "bad design", and Deus Ex definitely has more bullet-points from the latter, but I'm hard pressed to name a game that feels like it has more of a soul.
 

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If not for the comments on this video, I never would have known about Yahtzee's Deus Ex song. So good job commenters, that was brilliant.

Now I'm wondering what else I've missed by stopping ZP videos at the credits section.
 

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CrawlingPastaHellion said:
Signa said:
Having played the Thief series previously probably didn't help with the stealth much either. It just has different expectations for the player.
Didn't play Thief before "Deus Ex" (the only one I played was "The Deadly Shadows"), but I used the same tactics I used in Thief: baton the hell out of them unnoticed. ^_^ That's what I call "guerrilla" style of gameplay, not really stealth, since you leave corpses behind, but rather stealthy assault (MGS3 had the same style of gameplay for me).
yeah, but your blackjack didn't have ammo like the prod charger does, and I rarely, even when I get the jump on a guy, have him go down in one hit. The retracting prod was worse because usually I have to beat them a lot before they go down. It might have to with the fact that there are melee headshots (or so it would seem while I'm playing) in Deus Ex which is something I've not seen in any games before or much after. In Thief, as long as the foe didn't know I was there, I could smack them on the ass with the blackjack and get an instant KO.
 

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I don't get it. I really really don't get it. I don't understand the love for this game, and I never have. Its unituitive, its dull, its clunky and unpolished. The graphics are awful as well but that has absolutely nothing to do with my hate for this game.

I clicked on the review hoping Yahtzee would be the first critic to tear it a new one (since he normally seems to hate unintuitive gameplay and we tend to have similar tastes in games) but it sounds like even he found it quite good. I'm just at a loss now to be honest, I feel like I've played an entirely different game to everyone else, and I'm really starting to lose interest in what other gamers think about games since the majority seem to have such different opinions to me and discussing it all is so futile.

I've been playing Human Revolution and it absolutely destroys Deus Ex in every. single. way. The irony is, it's not even an excellent game. Its very good, and probably in my top 5 games of this year, but thats it. But it does everything Deus Ex did in a more entertaining, fluent, intuitive way. It is totally beyond me, how anyone can say a dated dinosaur of a game like Deus Ex can in any way hold a candle to Human Revolution, or for that matter, any decent game released in the last 5 years.
I don't understand anything in your post. Why is the gameplay unintuitive, unless you suffer from ADHD? It's a game that has a very rich and detailed world, excellent level design approachable in many ways. I suggest you watch this video [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOIx_i8dTLA] to see why we love this game so much. It has NOTHING to do with nostalgia. The game has complexity and depth, and every game released in the past 10 years just pales in comparison during this cookie cutter bastardized streamlined era.
I have played the game for the first time 7 years ago and replayed it numerous times because I always try different approaches with alternative solutions, find out different dialogue bits and new areas.

The game is a beacon of brilliant design and if you think it doesn't hold a candle to mediocre modern games like Bioshock, I sincerely pity you and everyone else who can't appreciate a game despite a dated look. It's noteworthy how the game grows in popularity every year. Lots of people have played it for the first time in the past few years and had a blast so no, no nostalgia here. And everyone reinstalls it every time it gets a mention. No other game gets the same treatment.

Apart from the dated look, Deus Ex didn't age at all. It's a timeless classic that has yet to be surpassed, but at this rate never will be because every developer caters to the widest audience possible, removing such depth and complexity.



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Here's [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeoQEJkGW1I] the intro with graphic mods for you guys who don't know whether they'll be turned off by the dated look. Decide for yourself if this is decent enough.
 

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Still the best game ever made in my book. I think we can chalk this game as one that Yahtzee likes.
 

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Helscreama said:
Pscyon said:
I didn't get past the first hour either. Not when the game was new due to an old crappy monitor which made everything simply too dark (damn you stealth tutorial!) and not now since the game is simply too hard to get into without nostalgia mode which I lack for this particular game.
I'll be crucifed for this but I've never played the other Deus Ex games and I really like Deus Ex HR
You're fine. :) Those that should be in fear of judgment are those that say "I liked Invisible War." Cause wow... that's a bold claim. :) Deus Ex 1 is old enough that it's understandable that people will have never played it. I've got a friend older than me that tried it well after its "expiration date" and couldn't get passed the dated textures. It's okay. :) But if you can, or can at least beef up the graphics with a mod, you're in for a treat.

Still, Human Revolution is a nice successor.
 

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uguito-93 said:
And I get the feeling he really doesnt like John Romero, but that could just be me.
does anyone?

OT great look back, alas it is so true