Zero Punctuation: Eve Online

[nastykerm]

Yes defender and alien invader are spacesims. they are maybe not the best spacesims, but they are still spacesims.

Uh no, they are more like scrollers.

The thing of mixing spacesims with extreme strategy is in my opinion a failure.

And why is that, do you saythat space isnt to be mixed with things that requires intelligence?

Sorry for this but if it was up to me, which it is not, EVE would never excited.

Then the gaming industry would be poorer.

 

[Jaythulhu]

Is there any way the Escapist or Yahtzee would make these videos available for hdd download? Thanks to an infrastructure blackspot, the best net connection I can get is 56.6k dialup. I love Yahtzee's work, and enjoy watching each episode repeatedly, but it's extremely painful to have to wait 45 to 90 mins for each episode to load to the point where I can start playing it.

 

[vlanitak]

if you download realplayer, then you can download the episodes from the web. This works in Iexplorer, it doesn't work in firefox 3 unfortunately

 

[Wargamer]

Would anyone care to sum up EVE in one sentence?

Having played a great deal of Eve in the background of my everyday work, I can agree with Yahtzee on something. Here's your one sentence:

"Eve is an ultra-slow-paced online multiplayer executive 3D toy, simulating both the economy and combat of a galactic-scale conflict between empires."

Thanks for that, though it just reinforces my believe EVE isn't worth getting in to.

 

[Copter400]

Ah whatever, he's stretched for ideas and pretty soon he'd better just be quiet, and go shower, fix his hygiene, which must be pretty bad if it's all he ever talks about when describing fellow gamers.

Please tell me this is satire. Please tell me everything you've ever said ever is satire.

 

[Duckaluck]

Great job.
I always look forward to your posts, they make my mornings..keep up the good work guy.

 

[DamienHell]

Thats why I can't wait for JGE, its like EVE but its faster and theres more to combat than click and walk away. Also navigation doesn't suck like EVE which turned me right off EVE in the trial

 

[vlanitak]

By my logic, as you said, alien invader and defender are sapcesims, galaga to are a spacesim I might add.

I don't have anything against thinking game (thats why I play Hearts of iron 2), but in my opinion the mix of the two doesn't fit well. the thing of thinking while having to concentrate on flying a spaceships (which in f.eks Freelancer and Freespace have controls that needs your attention). Oh wait, I forgot, in EVE you don't fly your spacship, you point and click. So then it's only a strategy game where you have a spaceship. WOW I think we just found the only Spaceship game that isn't a spacesim!

My last post here, tired of arguing.

 

[Jaythulhu]

vlanitak: thanks for that. I'm getting realplayer now. In a few hours time, I'll be able to enjoy all the Yahtzee I want, once files get to my hdd heh.

 

[nastykerm]

By my logic, as you said, alien invader and defender are sapcesims, galaga to are a spacesim I might add.

I think you need to work on your genre understanding.

I don't have anything against thinking game (thats why I play Hearts of iron 2), but in my opinion the mix of the two doesn't fit well.

Yes yes you have said this before, I'm asking you why you come to that conclusion. Please, allow me to say it for you, the reason why you think its a bad combination is because when you see space, your mind makes referances to x-wing and freelancer which is error on your brains behalf as they are completely different type of games.

It's like you dont like hammers because they dont work in the same way as screwdrivers.

Oh wait, I forgot, in EVE you don't fly your spacship, you point and click. So then it's only a strategy game where you have a spaceship.

Yes you forgot, finally you are starting to get it.

WOW I think we just found the only Spaceship game that isn't a spacesim!

My last post here, tired of arguing.

Finally.

 

[Lord_Ascendant]

EVE:Empyrean Age was "fun"

Since I already had a massive fleet (Amarr Empire) from Trinity, I just logged into the new game and kept playing. I only do this for the fun of it. It isnt Guild Wars, but it isnt WoW either. It's a "good" game, if you like Homeworld 2 and World of Warcraft that is.

 

[Likh]

I have the impression that most times it's more fun to watch the reviews than to play the actual game.

Also I looked EVE up after watching this and thanks to yahtzee I won't have to waste my time on it.

Cheers.

 

[cosaides]

I enjoy Eve. Been playing it for almost two years now. There is no need for incessant grind, there are far more paths for you to take, and with the exception of ROOKIE HELP channel, has a considerably more mature player base. Also, I think MMO reviews are pointless, unless the reviewer has been playing for a couple months at least. It takes a lot longer to get anywhere in an MMO than in a single-player game. They are two different creatures and should be reviewed as such. Having said that, I don't understand people who get offended when Yahtzee disses their favorite game. Are you new here? It's what he does. Wash the sand out of your nethers, Nancy. It's just a review. And for those who won't try the game because Yahtzee didn't like it, try developing an independent thought of your own for once.

 

[Asuri Kinnes]

Meh, I didn't "get" eve either the first time I tried it. Or the second. I'm in now, and there is so much more to this game than anything he described.. Its unfortunate that people won't even try this game because of his review.....

I am a member of "Eve University" along with several other posters in this thread (noteably Kelduum Revaan - who posted here earlier: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/6.70442?page=4 ).

Eve Uni exists (and has for 4 years) to ease the transition for players from every other game out there, into Eve... CCP just provides the tools to play in the sandbox, its up to every player to figure out how to use those tools....

Bye the way, if you want to check Eve Online out, our public help channel is "Eve University" (w/out the quote marks).

There is a tab on the left side of the screen "Channels and Mailing Lists" - open it, click on the channel tab, "join" and type that in - we're there all the time and willing to help.

Good luck in whatever you do.

AK

 

[Hellbent278]

Overall nice review, Eve Online... total rip off warcraft just involving flying ships :S

 

[Likh]

Its unfortunate that people won't even try this game because of his review.....

Yeah well it's not just that but also a hell lot of people's first opinion about the game was that it was 'boring'. Someone even made a vid on youtube about how boring it was.

I can deal with many things but if you need to 'receive a degree and enter several coresponding courses etc.' to actually have fun playing the game, then that's a big red light for me.

 

[cosaides]

I can deal with many things but if you need to 'receive a degree and enter several coresponding courses etc.' to actually have fun playing the game, then that's a big red light for me.

You don't. There are so many things to do in the game, that people often feel overwhelmed, especially since there are no spaceships with golden exclamation points on top, waiting to tell you what to do next. It has a learning curve considerably greater than WoW, but you can do basic mission running, if simple is your thing. Or start out with simple, and branch out from there into pirating, bounty hunting, market trading, research and development, or the tranquil (read: boring, yet profitable as hell) mining. And it just gets more advanced from there. I admit it's certainly not a mainstream game, and I wouldn't recommend it for old people and women (who should be baking pies anyway). But once you get hooked, it's hard to break away, because of the plethora of things to do. The hardest part is simply figuring out which thing you want to start off with, and go from there.

Oh and anyone can make a YouTube vid that makes the game seem very boring. And vice versa.

Watch the second half of this video (first half is stuff newbies wouldn't be interested in): http://www.evetube.com/index.php?playid=240

Or the ones here: http://myeve.eve-online.com/download/videos/

 

[Asuri Kinnes]

Its unfortunate that people won't even try this game because of his review.....

Yeah well it's not just that but also a hell lot of people's first opinion about the game was that it was 'boring'. Someone even made a vid on youtube about how boring it was.

I can deal with many things but if you need to 'receive a degree and enter several coresponding courses etc.' to actually have fun playing the game, then that's a big red light for me.

Well - I'm certainly not going to change your opinion, nor do I wish to. However, your really doing anyone who is thinking of the game a disservice by dissing it so negatively.

I guess the biggest thing that attracted me to the game was the "risk" factor. In any other MMO or FPS that I know of, you get killed, its no biggie. Most of the items (from MMO's) stay with you. In FPS's you spawn, go out, pick up whatever is laying around and jump back into the fight... In Eve, you have to earn money to get the things you want.

RISK is what makes the PVP so outstanding. In Eve, you can loose your gear. Anything your flying, you can loose... Empire space is easier than low-sec, and low-sec is *somewhat* easier than null-sec space.

Meh, come try the game, JOIN an NPC Corp (even if its not mine) and talk to people - 99% of the time you can find something to like about the game...

AK

 

[Likh]

RISK is what makes the PVP so outstanding. In Eve, you can loose your gear. Anything your flying, you can loose... Empire space is easier than low-sec, and low-sec is *somewhat* easier than null-sec space.

Well this actually does sound fun.

Watch the second half of this video (first half is stuff newbies wouldn't be interested in): http://www.evetube.com/index.php?playid=240

Or the ones here: http://myeve.eve-online.com/download/videos/

Seen the warhammer online trailer?
http://www.war-europe.com/mediaplayer.html?flv=http%3A//download.goa.com/war/flv/WAR_Cinematic2_Full_EN.flv&width=576&height=344
A jawdropper indeed but says nothing about the game except the fact that it has nice graphics