Zero Punctuation: Fable 2

[Worm4Life]

"Child Killer"? Feh, you could kill children way back in Deus Ex! Well, maybe not "children", "a child" would be more accurate -- the annoying bugger in the Chinese marketplace, he was the only kid in the game, I think. And DX was ported to PS2 with a rating of M, so HAH!

"so HAH!"? You have a game where you could kill a single kid and you're comparing it to games where you could enact a campaign of bloody genocide against the children of the game world, where your number of child kills would be tracked, where those children could be gibbed, lit on fire, shocked to death, bludgeoned to death, force pushed into a wall over and over. Now you're going to compare this with someone falling to their knees in Deus Ex? At least the "so HAH!" gives me the choice to pretend you realize how bad this argument is.

Go play Derek Yu's freeware "I'm O.K - A Murder Simulator" and kill children all you want, then tell him that his current commercial effort Aquaria isn't selling (which would obviously be a lie) because he ruined his career.

wow, I just looked a clip and you're off your rocker if you think that releasing some 2d side scrolling indie fart into a sea of random shock nonsense is anyway comparable to letting a player in Fable torch a kindergarten.

We're talking consoles, we're talking mainstream, and we're talking next gen graphics. You're comparing some stupid little side scroller not impacting some indie game's sales with Peter Molyneux letting you blow children's heads clean off(with a slow mo money shot), this makes you an idiot.

Controversial games of the time were getting a lot more exposure then just being on consoles. Games like Moral Kombat, Night Trap, and Rise of the Triad were getting exposure in the US congress.

The difference between MK's blood heavy attract mode and blowing children's heads off is obvious. I'm sure ROTT and Duke Nukem 3d caught the same kind of fire that Mortal Kombat did ... oh wait they didn't because they were computer games.

There has never been a video game released that has received an AO rating for anything but sexual content. That includes modern splatter-fests like Manhunt. And there's nothing like that level of gore or brutality in Fallout.

Look comparing the climates now and then is pointless. It's almost as if you think there is a physical envelope that has been pushed, and everyone looks to that envelope before they say anything. Fallout 1 was not some world shattering singularity that moved everyone forward to your erudite way of thinking, sorry.

See, and now you're rocketing down the hill of your own crazy so fast the wheels have come off. It's like I've insulted your mom, and I really don't think I have. Shh, shh, shh, Worm, it's ok. Would you like to talk about it? Here, have some hot cocoa with me.

Most people like to ignore when someone has absolutely destroyed them in forums, but not you, you're gonna totally deflect it with your zany brand of humor.

I'll just restate myself, because it is the final word on this topic: No one is making full 3d games where you can blow off a child's limbs because it is taboo, and none of you are going to make them because as much as you'd like to deny it, you understand the reality of the situation. It's currently unacceptable to include that kind of material in a game, end of story. If someone made a game like this for the PC they'd be wise to release it anonymously.

 

[dungeonmaster]

this is best yatzee revue yet. hahahah
how you spell yaytzee and revues?

 

[LigerB]

yes we can only hope

 

[Evilbunny]

You know I just realized how funny it is that my wife gets an "allowance" and I decide how much she gets. She seems to be happy with this setup, though. I guess she isn't a feminist.

 

[Knight Templar]

If you really think it was that bad don't get fable 2.

Well, like I said, I plan on checking it out. I like RPG's and like keeping track of their endless downhill death spiral of quality.

"Checking it out," however, will not involve handing Peter any o'my money.

I hope you mean you'll just borrow the game.

 

[Knight Templar]

I mean exactly whatever it is I mean to mean.

Then say what that is, clearly.

 

[Soullegend]

awesome - i giggled my tits off watchin this

and its all true even though i did like fable 2 i can see where yahtzee is coming from

 

[WickedSkin]

Murdering children is the biggest taboo ever, and if someone breaks that, I will tell him "good job".

Fallout 1 anyone? You even got a "perk" that tagged you as a child killer. Made people hate you

You are correct! There was porn to wasn't it? Also prostitutes.

There sure was. Fallout 1 and 2 are awesome examples of how freedom in games should be (Fallout 3 tried and failed and turned into Oblivion with guns and a crybaby main character ). Not saying all games should contain prostitutes, porn och child killing, but they were things that added to the fallout universe. Fable 1 and 2 are far from being as free as Mr Peter M wants us to think. Still they are somewhat good games. Just abit hyped

Sir, I take of my hat and salute you. You are a rose among fly agaric and dog crap. Maybe also other roses but you know what I mean.

Mr. M should be punished harshly whenever he speaks. Maybe the tens to hundreds of GBG (game breaking glitches), GG (general glitches) and GA (great annoyances) wouldn't be so bad. Also we wouldn't be fed lies about total freedom and whatnot.

 

[ReaperGeek]

I believe there's now a law against making kids killable in videogames unfortunatley. 'Tis a shame, but what can we do. Awesome review, and while I did enjoy the first game (PC), Fable II still isn't enough incentive to buy an Xbox360.

 

[Vorpals]

Great review!

One of the first in awhile where you never stop!

 

[Worm4Life]

Worm, you're going to pop something in your brain you keep going like this.

I maintain this pace because momentum is an important factor in piercing bullshit.

The games he's comparing that to of course being Fallouts one and two, where you could do all those things... except Force Push, of course. So, having lost this argument on this somehow being based on graphical superiority, you're now twisting yourself around to say it's about number of instances, just to attack an example offered to you.

Sorry, no. Fallout 1 and 2 do not equal next gen graphics, Deus Ex doesn't either. I mean just look at some of the pictures from the Fallout 3 child killing mod.
They're creepy http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/7114/37611226586353gq4.jpg
That's not equivalent to Fallout 1 or 2, that is not equivalent to Deus Ex, that is not equivalent to anything created in gaming up until THIS VERY MOMENT, and it is infinitely understandable and defensible why this content was not included in a major cross platform release.

Let's see here. You said I should team up with Yahtzee, who is an independent game designer, to make a child killing / poo eating game so that our careers could be ruined. You were shown that isn't the case, and so now your retconning what you said. Please don't do that.

It's a bald faced LIE to say that the Aquaria guy is in the same position as Peter Molyneux, and it's also a lie to say that the little side scroller he made would be anywhere near as bad as a full 3d slo-mo murder money shot on as many children as you wanted. You're just lying when you make these comparisons, there is a massive difference.

You think the ESRB agrees with you?

Does it matter? We're not talking about that, we're asking if it's a good idea to put this kind of thing in your game or not.

Boy I'm sure glad Doom didn't catch any heat. This is ridiculous, you probably weren't even alive at the time.

Don't pull those kind of lines. It makes you look bad, and in this case stupid because you're flailing against someone you accuse of being a child.

I was. Back then there wasn't a lot of difference between console and computer. We'd just come out of an era in which consoles were computers with the Commodore 64.

Sorry no. The major Doom controversy was Columbine related, at least the Doom controversy us youngins remember. ID wishes there was that kind of controversy when Doom was released. Bringing up ROTT was a major mistake which you're now trying to distance yourself from with Doom, which was featured on a bunch of consoles eventually ANYWAY.

Apology accepted

Earlier you purported to be an adult, try to remember that.

Amount of violence, amount of exposure has never in the past forced the ESRB to give an AO rating. And this has been demonstrated to you.

Though Fallout 1 and 2 would have received an AO rating(if they were on consoles), and that's what I said. Oh yeah, and it has forced them to give an AO rating, except the games were taken back and retooled, Manhunt 2 specifically. So you're not only wrong in trying to misrepresent my point, but you're actually wrong in the statement you make against my misrepresented point! Weird!

Video game controversy has followed titles on every format conceivable, and this has been demonstrated to you.

Sure, yeah, okay. What are you saying here, "we've always had controversy so why aren't they making more"?

The accuracy of the graphics, with Fallout's gibs and ribs, was not a factor, and this this as been demonstrated to you.

No, wrong. To say that nothing changes because of graphics is total bullshit, the more realistic games become the more the rules change slightly, this is undeniable. You're going to tell me Custard's Revenge is equivalent to Artificial Girl?

I've really got to commend you for calming down a little at the end of your long post, but I don't know why you keep at this, after its all been proven to you. You seem to be taking this real personally, and I want to know why.

Your bullshit is my responsibility unfortunately, since no one here is going to own up to how out of touch they are.

 

[Knight Templar]

Then say what that is, clearly.

Clearly, I do not intend on giving Peter any of my money.

For fucks sake stop talking in riddles, are you going to rent the game or download it?

Hell even if you do buy Fable 2 Peter isn't geting your money so stop bitching.

 

[Worm4Life]

He's boycotting the game! Stick it to the man for not letting you virtually kill children!