I really like these 'first impressions' run throughs that he does. As entertaining as they come.
Zero Punctuation: Fallout: New Vegas
- Thread starter Yahtzee Croshaw
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First 'review' I've enjoyed in a while. But like always, regardless of what he says, the bugs simply can't kill the fun factor of the game. Take how he rationed out those first 3 days, add your own personally amusing spin on things, and repeat until bored. Already working on my second playthrough, this time as a very evil version of Gordon Freeman. (science, energy weapons, melee, with 1 CHR)
I laugh a little at all these people who are basing their decision to buy this game on one of Yahtzee's "reviews." Yahtzee's stuff is just (great) entertainment in the guise of video game reviews.
Really enjoyed the story-telling format, well done. I'd like it if you did more like this more often.
Really enjoyed the story-telling format, well done. I'd like it if you did more like this more often.
I didn't see the review as bad. As he said at the start just more of the same from the original. What could he have done, reknitpick the same stuff from the first review. Bugs like that do need mentioning though.
The day by day adventures I thought made it look good, just shows you the stuff you can pull off heh.
The day by day adventures I thought made it look good, just shows you the stuff you can pull off heh.
Interesting variation, not sure if I enjoyed it (it wasn't objectionable, but I'm not sure I'd want to see it again), but I applaud Yahtzee for taking risks with the formula.
Overall, I liked Fallout 3, and was debating whether I wanted New Vegas or not.
Seems like everything I hated about the game is back, so I guess I'll probably give it pass.
Seems like everything I hated about the game is back, so I guess I'll probably give it pass.
Awesome/hilarious review! That said... only 'soda' in F:NV is Coc.. I mean Nuka Cola and yeah, due to caffeine, it does dehydrate your ass. As for the minus, it does make sense when you look at the Stats screen cause it's showing just how far along you've gotten... though I do agree, it is a tad odd.
Oh and you don't pay 2000 caps to get into the Strip, it's just a credit check making sure you're rich enough to be there. You need it to go through, but you don't actually lose the money. There's also a way around it if you're desperate, but if you just don't rush like mad to New Vegas, you should be fine, I had about 3-5k by the time I got there the first time.
That said, it's not terribly intrusive, at least on Normal. If you're smart, you'll keep a bit of food and water in your bags and that'll be just fine to keep you going. You need water most often, but unlike Capital Wasteland, the Mojave has a number of clean water sources (Lake Mead, most of New Vegas and a few other places all over the map, basically anything built to last and/or still being used by a competent group) so you can freshen up before you go off on a major/distant quest.
It's not abundant and sometimes you'll have to take a sip of irradiated water out of a motel toilet being thankful it's the less irradiated kind, but it's not bad at all. Food is the next in line, but as long as you kill>loot animals, search the fridges when you come across them and pick some fruits along the way, you'll be fine. Sleep is the least needed thing, but you do have to lay your head down once in a while (strangely though, not for long, 2 hours per day or so seems to be enough... but let's be fair, it's better on the gameplay not to lose 6-8 hours each day).
The only thing I wish they did is add some more palpable effects, like hallucinating when you're severely dehydrated, randomly fainting when seriously sleep deprived etc. The stat loses make sense, but just don't bring a lot to it. Also, while it does make sense that drinking Cola keeps you awake for longer, it doesn't really make sense for it to stave away sleep deprivation if you're just chugging gallons of it and avoiding sleep
(to be fair though, Colas are not that abundant and it's easier to just sleep once in a while as I always do)
That said, it does add a bit of a RP feeling when you get stuck pilfering everything remotely valuable out of whatever closed space you're currently in and realise you're dehydrated/hungry/sleepy and have no water/food/cola on you... when on some longer missions, it can become a bit of a bother, but in a good way, forcing you to look around and make do with what you have (like irradiated motel toilet water! - seriously, can you even imagine anything more disgusting?)
The ammo having weight can be a bit of a pain in the ass, but if you're gonna be having companions with you, it's not too much of a problem and again, adds some realism and incentive to not just keep all the useless ammo on you and never sell it *Fallout 3 backpack flashback*.
Healing limbs is harder, but some decent Medicine levels and a Doctor's Bag (they're not abundant, but you can find/buy them often enough) and you're good... or just keep your limbs barely fixed and stop by a doc when you get a chance, it's not that expensive anyway.
All in all, I enjoy it, but you gotta want to RP for it to be there. It's just a set of extra rules, if you don't like what they do but are expecting them to make the experience more roleplay-y on their own, it's not gonna happen. If you're already RPing though, it's cool to have them on and does add to the experience.
Oh and you don't pay 2000 caps to get into the Strip, it's just a credit check making sure you're rich enough to be there. You need it to go through, but you don't actually lose the money. There's also a way around it if you're desperate, but if you just don't rush like mad to New Vegas, you should be fine, I had about 3-5k by the time I got there the first time.
Well... at first, it won't seem immersive at all. You just get 3 extra bars on your PipBoy, tracking Food, Water and Sleep. Keep them all at zero or so and you're good, allow them to grow, you'll have four thresholds where you lose certain stats and if it reaches the fifth threshold, you die.Roofstone said:
That said, it's not terribly intrusive, at least on Normal. If you're smart, you'll keep a bit of food and water in your bags and that'll be just fine to keep you going. You need water most often, but unlike Capital Wasteland, the Mojave has a number of clean water sources (Lake Mead, most of New Vegas and a few other places all over the map, basically anything built to last and/or still being used by a competent group) so you can freshen up before you go off on a major/distant quest.
It's not abundant and sometimes you'll have to take a sip of irradiated water out of a motel toilet being thankful it's the less irradiated kind, but it's not bad at all. Food is the next in line, but as long as you kill>loot animals, search the fridges when you come across them and pick some fruits along the way, you'll be fine. Sleep is the least needed thing, but you do have to lay your head down once in a while (strangely though, not for long, 2 hours per day or so seems to be enough... but let's be fair, it's better on the gameplay not to lose 6-8 hours each day).
The only thing I wish they did is add some more palpable effects, like hallucinating when you're severely dehydrated, randomly fainting when seriously sleep deprived etc. The stat loses make sense, but just don't bring a lot to it. Also, while it does make sense that drinking Cola keeps you awake for longer, it doesn't really make sense for it to stave away sleep deprivation if you're just chugging gallons of it and avoiding sleep
(to be fair though, Colas are not that abundant and it's easier to just sleep once in a while as I always do)That said, it does add a bit of a RP feeling when you get stuck pilfering everything remotely valuable out of whatever closed space you're currently in and realise you're dehydrated/hungry/sleepy and have no water/food/cola on you... when on some longer missions, it can become a bit of a bother, but in a good way, forcing you to look around and make do with what you have (like irradiated motel toilet water! - seriously, can you even imagine anything more disgusting?)
The ammo having weight can be a bit of a pain in the ass, but if you're gonna be having companions with you, it's not too much of a problem and again, adds some realism and incentive to not just keep all the useless ammo on you and never sell it *Fallout 3 backpack flashback*.
Healing limbs is harder, but some decent Medicine levels and a Doctor's Bag (they're not abundant, but you can find/buy them often enough) and you're good... or just keep your limbs barely fixed and stop by a doc when you get a chance, it's not that expensive anyway.
All in all, I enjoy it, but you gotta want to RP for it to be there. It's just a set of extra rules, if you don't like what they do but are expecting them to make the experience more roleplay-y on their own, it's not gonna happen. If you're already RPing though, it's cool to have them on and does add to the experience.
Some comment on the supposed improved writing/story would have been curious, but I agree RE immersion.
I was desperate to get immersed. Inconsistent & stilted NPC behaviour, banal plot lines, patchwork loading screens, bad architectural interior design, increased linearity, limited NPC numbers, lazily constructed narrative and repeated one-liners kept jolting me out of the experience. The game screams unreality, although wandering the wasteland can be enjoyable. 17 hours through, and I just know that the final battle that everything is building up towards will be a lame skirmish, given the 3D engines limitations in that regard.
ID, Beth needs help with an engine. Save TES and FO.
I'll be devastated if TES V is built with the same engine.
I was desperate to get immersed. Inconsistent & stilted NPC behaviour, banal plot lines, patchwork loading screens, bad architectural interior design, increased linearity, limited NPC numbers, lazily constructed narrative and repeated one-liners kept jolting me out of the experience. The game screams unreality, although wandering the wasteland can be enjoyable. 17 hours through, and I just know that the final battle that everything is building up towards will be a lame skirmish, given the 3D engines limitations in that regard.
ID, Beth needs help with an engine. Save TES and FO.
I'll be devastated if TES V is built with the same engine.
you're preaching to the choir, I was referring to sequels actually, which I don't have a problem with wining a game of the year like mass effect 2 did, so long as they take the old stuff, and completely change it into a far superior product, better combat, guns, ai, new enemies, and a new focus of the story.Atmos Duality said:
Believe it or not, I actually posted things almost identical to what you are posting right now when new vegas came out, WHY THE FUCK ARE WE RELYING ON THE USERS AND THE COMMUNITY TO FIX THESE GAMES? I am so sick of sequel after sequel where people keep deffending these, thanks for the reant though, I'll keep it in my reply becuase you made all of the points for me.
Basically it's a good game but Yathzee did address all the problems with the game. Everything else is pretty spot-on however, excellent really. Fallout 3 always did feel very empty and alone even when I had a companion but now it feels alive and brighter and the Hardcore mode should just be "Fallout 3 desert mode" because without hardcore mode it doesnt really feel like a Nuclear survival game, it just feels like fallout 3. Fallout: New Vegas really feels like you're in the game, living in it's world. The bugs can make the game frustrating indeed but with such a big world and permenent changes to npc interactions I think this can largely be forgiven. In a nutshell, Fallout New Vegas is like fallout 3 only with a better story, more likable characters, refined gameplay and role-playing due to the factions, hardcore mode and more lively envirnments and you liked Fallout 3 you should definatly get it, if you didnt like fallout 3 but liked its core gamplay than get this too because its much better than 3 and if you hated fallout 3's gameplay, namely a fps-rpg than dont get it. Simple as that.
While its true that bugs are inexcusable, and are a big detriment to the experience I won't completely discount a game because of it. Why? Many enduring classic games lauded around here were originally incredibly buggy. Yet they are still remembered for years to come...Warachia said:
Examples:
Planescape Torment
Fallout 1
Fallout 2
Arcanum
Baldur's Gate series
Temple of Elemental Evil
Vampire the masquerades Bloodlines
NWN2: Mask of the Betrayer
etc.
(Unsurprisingly a lot of these are Black Isle/Troika/Obsidian)
If anything wait a couple months until patches come out so the game is completely fixed. My game hasn't really been that glitchy but I can't speak for everyone.
For the love of humanity I hope someone else has pointed it out so far.. but soda does in fact just dehydrate you more then it hydrates you. Why? Sodium.
I mean seriously... this should be common knowledge at this point.
I mean seriously... this should be common knowledge at this point.