Believe it or not, there are plenty of people that could afford maybe 2 or 3 brand new games a year.sravankb said:
I, myself, get most of my games years after their release, for $5-20.
Zero Punctuation: Gears of War 3
- Thread starter Yahtzee Croshaw
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I, myself, get most of my games years after their release, for $5-20.
Good review, I think I'll end up borrowing this from a friend rather than buying it. I'd like to finish up the trilogy but from what I've heard so far Gears 3 doesn't sound all that stellar.
You know, I'm pretty sure at least one person here was one of those fanboys who went to a GoW3 midnight release or probably got the chainsaw replica thingy. Yet, they're all being "Oh, quite so, Yahtzee good ol' chap! Glorious and most wise review as always, pip pip!". It's like...the tru fanboys are scared of telling everyone that GoW3 made their life. It's not a bad thing, you know. if you like the game, you like the game. I like FFXIII despite all the negative feedback towards it. I'm not afraid to say it either because that doesn't make the game any better or worse.
I, too, agree with Yahtzee on this review. I would like to see a FPS where the world isn't about to end or where the main character isn't a macho, buff guy (Or an abstract interpretation of one). I might just buy that game.
I, too, agree with Yahtzee on this review. I would like to see a FPS where the world isn't about to end or where the main character isn't a macho, buff guy (Or an abstract interpretation of one). I might just buy that game.
I gott a admit for the most of the franchise I was a dangerously obsest fanboy of Gears of War.
Loved it mainly because it was doing for me what other shooters bloody well weren't.
My hopes were dropped like a kick in the nuts with Gears 3 mainly because I had hoped it would be as badass as the first. Which I now realise is impossible because that part in GoW1 near the end of act 1 is unbeatable in its' brutality.
Also I was hoping for more story in the realm of the locust origins and motivation, the deal with Queen Myrah and what the fuck was up with the sires in the second game. The first game ended with Myrah saying "They do not know why we wage this war" which I assumed was going to be a big twist.
Unfortunately however the so called big twist of Gears 3 was its' "immulsion is the problem". I mean c'mon we knew that in the pendulum wars and we weren't exactly introduced to the lambent properly imo. All we got were wretches in the first game and a war in the background of the second that we didnt get to crash... which sucked btw.
Anyone remember the big reveal of the berzerker in GoW1?... Dang that was kickass... Didnt get that though... Didnt even get an interesting fight with the final boss of Gears 3... Wasn't really implementing enemy class traits with combat like with the first where not shooting or staying out the dark was the key.
You didnt even go underground in this one... And characters were just dropped on us. That major character death wasn't necessary in the situation... Granted I'm happy they did kill the character off but better, more fubar circumstances could've been happening.
On the bright side Baird is 5x funnier in Gears 3, should've had a origins story for him just like with Cole. And horde 2.0 is an epic game mode now that just blew my mind with the enemies you can now get in it.
Loved it mainly because it was doing for me what other shooters bloody well weren't.
My hopes were dropped like a kick in the nuts with Gears 3 mainly because I had hoped it would be as badass as the first. Which I now realise is impossible because that part in GoW1 near the end of act 1 is unbeatable in its' brutality.
Also I was hoping for more story in the realm of the locust origins and motivation, the deal with Queen Myrah and what the fuck was up with the sires in the second game. The first game ended with Myrah saying "They do not know why we wage this war" which I assumed was going to be a big twist.
Unfortunately however the so called big twist of Gears 3 was its' "immulsion is the problem". I mean c'mon we knew that in the pendulum wars and we weren't exactly introduced to the lambent properly imo. All we got were wretches in the first game and a war in the background of the second that we didnt get to crash... which sucked btw.
Anyone remember the big reveal of the berzerker in GoW1?... Dang that was kickass... Didnt get that though... Didnt even get an interesting fight with the final boss of Gears 3... Wasn't really implementing enemy class traits with combat like with the first where not shooting or staying out the dark was the key.
You didnt even go underground in this one... And characters were just dropped on us. That major character death wasn't necessary in the situation... Granted I'm happy they did kill the character off but better, more fubar circumstances could've been happening.
On the bright side Baird is 5x funnier in Gears 3, should've had a origins story for him just like with Cole. And horde 2.0 is an epic game mode now that just blew my mind with the enemies you can now get in it.
Man you sure took his opinion of the game rather personally didn't you? I've read through all 8 pages of the comment section and you constantly pop up and announce how wrong yahtzee was and how right you are. You really love the game don't you? And don't say you aren't a fanboy, you really seem to care about the game to comment all the way to the eighth pagesravankb said:
I too have been thinking about making an extension on the cleavage department, maybe now I can spend my time doing that instead of playing Gears 3.
This game is such a lazy cash cow. It was a total blur for me, there weren't any standout moments and it wasn't even challenging. I only played GoW2 a couple of times at a friends place like a year ago and I still smashed GoW3 on Hard difficulty, on the day it was released, and without any trouble or remembering any significant plot updates, so I took it back to EB and now I've got store credit to blow on something equally shit like MW3 of BF3
Not the best review, but then again choosing to talk about a game like GoW3 of any other '3 is kind of redundent, cause fans of the serie have in most cases already made up there mind before the game hits the streets and new players who becomes interested or just remoutly curious about it, should make it a habit to checking a trailer on UT before buying if in doubt.
Really hope Yahtzee reads this cause in my opinion he needs to review games where we, as consumers and gamers, can't estimate from the cover and/or gametrailer alone, but need a closer look in to the game itself with a fair but critical eye and that's why we happelly await Wednesdays and the Wrath of Yahtzee c",
Really hope Yahtzee reads this cause in my opinion he needs to review games where we, as consumers and gamers, can't estimate from the cover and/or gametrailer alone, but need a closer look in to the game itself with a fair but critical eye and that's why we happelly await Wednesdays and the Wrath of Yahtzee c",
I only played GOW1 (pc gamer). I thought it was good. It had a cool setting and cool gameplay. This review seemed to be about GOW2 more than 3 and about hte franchise in general. I bet it is still a cool game.
Still obligated to play this, since it's a ritual my friend and I go through for every new instalment. I hate myself for funding this atrocity of a series, albeit only in rental fees.
I enjoyed the first Gears of War, got bored halfway through the second one, and will likely wait to see if I want to pick up Gears 3 when it's not $60. Pretty solid shooter mechanics, terrible walking speed (even slower than Baldur's incredibly slow movement speed in Too Human, or as Yahtzee said, Baldur's "Gait"), so-so story.
Took me a while, but here is my discussion provoking comment: I (RE: me personally) cannot take Yahtzee's opinion on shooters seriously anymore.
Clarify: He expects too much out of them.
I remember him complaining that the action paced in CoD: Black Ops was to frantic. What the hell do you expect in a FPS.
Maybe it's because I can appreciate the story. It's awkwardly convenient that the whereabouts of Marcus's dad are imperative to the survival of the world, but I enjoyed that. I enjoyed the Gears series in general (even though the multiplayer in Gears 2 was poorly structured). I enjoyed navigating cover to skillfully murder my foes with whatever weapon I had equipped
And I hate the often toted "gray-brown" trope. The boat was made of steel and had crops growing on it. There was on level that took place in the ocean, and then a rainstorm. And yes, sand is brown. But mark my words, I will play a shooter that makes a point of avoiding gray-brown to appease gaming snobs.
Shooters have a unique narrative, "if there all going to be the same", than the narrative relies on character and context. Sure, these are "big, 'manly' men" but what do you expect out of guys fighting a war? I like Marcus, I have empathy for all of his trials.
What I agree with Yahtzee on: "The sacrifice" was touching, but reeks of deus ex machina (I think I'm using that phrase wrong); Sam was useless, you don't really learn anything about her, along with a few other characters, the "implied romance" with Marcus and Anya at the end was really stupid.
Apart from that, I don't get what his problem is.
Clarify: He expects too much out of them.
I remember him complaining that the action paced in CoD: Black Ops was to frantic. What the hell do you expect in a FPS.
Maybe it's because I can appreciate the story. It's awkwardly convenient that the whereabouts of Marcus's dad are imperative to the survival of the world, but I enjoyed that. I enjoyed the Gears series in general (even though the multiplayer in Gears 2 was poorly structured). I enjoyed navigating cover to skillfully murder my foes with whatever weapon I had equipped
And I hate the often toted "gray-brown" trope. The boat was made of steel and had crops growing on it. There was on level that took place in the ocean, and then a rainstorm. And yes, sand is brown. But mark my words, I will play a shooter that makes a point of avoiding gray-brown to appease gaming snobs.
Shooters have a unique narrative, "if there all going to be the same", than the narrative relies on character and context. Sure, these are "big, 'manly' men" but what do you expect out of guys fighting a war? I like Marcus, I have empathy for all of his trials.
What I agree with Yahtzee on: "The sacrifice" was touching, but reeks of deus ex machina (I think I'm using that phrase wrong); Sam was useless, you don't really learn anything about her, along with a few other characters, the "implied romance" with Marcus and Anya at the end was really stupid.
Apart from that, I don't get what his problem is.
FYI, Gears 3 is much faster and in my opinion, the story and mechanices are much stronger than the second one.Existential Banana said:
lazy cash cow?RedHighwind07 said:
*sigh*
seems that any sequel to any game that sells well (And yes, i think GOW deserves high sales) is instantly branded as this.. if anything is lazy its you and the thought you put into that post
GOW3 is highly polished - the graphics on some of the set pieces are stunning
Ill admit, there are very few "stand out" moments.. i cleared it on co-op and am now replaying it on single player, and yeah, it is difficult to remember what happens at times, but so what? its quite a long campaign - and i genuinely think forgetting what happens increases the replay value! Im tempted to replay the campaigns in 1 and 2..
tbh GOW3 is all about the multiplayer.. horde mode, the new (and very fun) beast mode... i dont usually play online, but GOW has a massive online gamer following, and this is the best one to play online.. if you dont have XBL or a friend you regularly play with, i wont fault the trade in, but it is not a BAD, nor "lazy" game.
First off my point was not that putting an emphasis on better story telling is what's wrong with gaming, putting an emphasis on presentation while neglecting gameplay is the problem. ( sorry if i didn't make this clear) You said yourself the gameplay in Enslaved is "frustrating" which it is. The control isn't responsive either( Heavenly Sword had the same problems) I have zero problems with games telling great stories, and having great presentation. I agree with you that it's part of the over all package. The problem arises when it's the only thing the devs seem to have put any care into. Like i said before your game could have one of the greatest stories ever told, but if the gameplay itself isn't compelling and i don't have fun playing it then what is the point?Jkudo said:
This is my problem with Ninja Theory, i love the art direction of their games and their presentations but it's wasted on bad gameplay because they don't put as much care into it as the story.( oh and BTW yeah they are handling the gameplay in DmC, it's also using Unreal engine instead of Capcom's MT Framework) This is not a DVD movie i am buying for 20 bucks , where i just sit down and watch. It's a 60 dollar VIDEO GAME. If i don't feel the game is polished, responsive or fun to play i feel that i have wasted my money.
As for Gears story as i have said before if you've ever played the Gears games from the original to the last it has a decent story it's just not told as well as it is in the expanded fiction. Funny thing is the first Gears didn't have much emphasis on story and people complained about that, so in Gears 2 there was greater emphasis on story like people wanted, but then it was made fun of for being too serious. (Sometimes i wonder if "gamers" these days really know what they want. I also wonder how much flack Gears would be getting if it were a PS3 game or multi plat but that's for another thread)
And for what it's worth Gears 3 story attempted to do everything that you claim it doesn't. many of the many characters had their stories expanded on and it attempted to deliver actual character development and in many ways actually succeeded. For example Augustus Cole going back to his hometown and reliving his past glories as a thrashball star ( Serra's version of Football) they even incorporate it into gameplay at one point. Dom's sacrifice IMO was actually well done. Marcus's reaction to it wasn't overblown at all. He didn't shake his fist in the air and vow revenge , he didn't drop to his knees and yell "NOOOOOOO" or any such thing. He reacted as one would imagine to a close friend getting killed, sucked it up and kept on with the mission. In fact all of the squads reactions to Dom's death were well done. I like how the end is bittersweet, they won the war, the locust and lambent are dead. But the government is gone , half the human population is dead, everything is still fucked, and Marcus is like "what the fuck are we supposed to do now?!"
The reason for the Locust Hoard attacking humanity was basically out of necessity rather than the usual alien invasion schtick in these kinds of games. (I also like the fact that the Locusts aren't "aliens" they are native to Serra, it's their planet and the humans are the "invaders".) The story didn't succeed in every way though, their are some things they left open. Like who Queen Mirrah really was and why she looked human. Did she turn her back on humanity, if so then why?
They also didn't continue the story of the creature experiments in that lab in Gears 2. Those complaints aside it's funny that you people accuse Gears of not trying to tel a story then when Gears 2 and 3 were VERY story heavy. (Maybe most of you would realize this if you'd actually played it as opposed to just hating on something popular to seem cool. (You're not impressing anyone) Even with it's flaws i feel that they have gotten a lot better with the story telling going from one to three and i applaud Epic for at trying to better the story and characters, unfortunately everything i said just now will be dismissed since you've already got it in your head that "lol GEARZ HAZ NO STORIES".
Whatever though Gears is a total package, they delivered on nearly everything. Vastly improved the gameplay, the graphics , the performance, and added a fuck load of features to multi and SP. Listen to fan complaints about Gear 2 and fixed everything that was wrong with the game, Lazy release my ass. This so far is my personal GOTY ( we'll see what happens with UC3 and Batman: Arkham City) and just an all around great game. Fuck the haters....