I'm sorry (well, not really), but that has got to be the worst such list ever produced. Kurt Cobain and Jack White among the top 20 _guitarists_ of all time?! Laughable. Whether you like those two or not, you can't argue that their biggest strength is as guitar players.JoeCooL said:
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I thought they were funny. You didn't. It's all good.TSED said:
But I think that as soon as you use the phrase 'teh gay' to describe homosexuals or gay people-that's a fail.
So see-we both have circumstances where we don't see the humor in things.
/smiles
I'm going to reiterate this for you. Guitar Hero is about 1/1000 as complex as learning guitar. It's a game. If they want to learn guitar they'd have done that.figure09 said:
The stupidest thing I saw was Slash not being included on this list ESPECIALLY when KIM THAYIL ex Soundgarden guitarist was really just a tool that Chris Cornell was using in his band and he's at the bottom of the list. What a joke.. so yes the guys and girls at Rolling Stone are a bunch of gays. I can't believe this list even exists and continues to exist after initial conception. Do you play guitar? Do you know Guns 'n Roses? Have you ever listened to Appetite for Destruction? Tom Morello doesn't even come close to what Slash has achieved as a guitarist or even the kind of clout he brings as a guitarist. Tom Morello is very cool, but I don't want to be a part of the world that ranks him above Slash... that's a joke... almost a travesty to see. You should be ashamed of that listJoeCooL said:
'Yahtzee You Charismatic Stallion' might also be too loaded for a band name, but then again, maybe not.The Rogue Wolf said:Actually, I think that would be an excellent name for a rock band. Then again, it's hard to do worse than "The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus".Jeigan said:Heh, what would we call ourselves? Shadows of a Gentleman Thief?Corbineau said:It's all good.Jeigan said:Sorry, Corbineau I don't really have the time to read through five pages of messages. And that wasn't meant to rude, it's just the truth. It's quite nice to know, though
Great review, kept me laughing the whole time. I don't own a guitar hero game, but I've played GH2 a good bit. I'm thinking of buying one for my 360, and because of this review, I might just save some money and get GH2 instead of GH3. And nice choice on Cliffs of Dover.
Referencing that list is just fucking moronic. That's gotta be the worst list of anything musical ever compiled. First off, Slash, Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Eric Johnson, and Peter Frampton weren't even on the list. Eddie Van Halen was number 70. S-E-V-E-N-T-Y. Also, Mark Knopfler and Brian May deserve higher spots. And Kurt Cobain and Jack White didn't deserve to be as high as they were. I could keep on going, but I'll just stop here. That list is a godawful piece of shit.JoeCooL said:
Anyway, as for Todd Morello, yea, he's a good guitarist, but couldn't they get anyone better? I think both Rage Against the Machine and Audioslave (he was guitarist for that group,too) are good bands, but what the hell? I mean, compared to Slash, he's just not a legend of rock.
Fuck! I never thought Yahtzee would spout a review that I could find fault with, but QUIT CRYING ABOUT THE FUCKING DIFFICULTY for fucks sake. It's only 5 buttons, and yes, its a nerfed down 'fisher-price' guitar that makes me feel like i need to start overcompensating... but my point is, I play real guitar, as well as hero guitar, and it comes with the equivalent of 144 buttons. Nailing a song for real is much more rewarding, and earns you FAR more respect with your friends, and more importantly, it attracts MUCH MUCH more pussy. Another thing... Tom Morello truly is a legend of rock. I've seen him use a guitar in ways that only Jimi Hendrix could imagine. Finally, if you want more songs, heres how to get them on PC. Go out and get Guitar Hero for PC, or get an adapter to turn an XBOX Mk1 cord into USB, then go download FretsOnFire from Sourceforge.net (its a home dev'd Guitar Hero for PC, and fully moddable), then go to www.fretsonfire.net. There you will find links and instructions on how to get THOUSANDS of songs to tear up on your PC with your GH controller. They even have global high scoring for the truly competitive.
See, we don't care that you can play real guitar.Dreadp00l said:
It's a game. As such, GH should be evaluated on those merits, NOT on whether or not it accurately simulates, or is equivalently difficult to, playing an actual guitar.
And GH3 is harder, less rewarding, and not as well put together-especially on the later levels-as its predecessors. This is a legitimate critique, regardless of the amount of pussy you think you get.
I think the complaint about the difficulty is not so much the straight difficulty, but how the game has left its original philosophy for stupider pastures. The original Guitar Hero had a philosophy of "wouldn't it be fun to have the player recreate famous pieces of music in a challenging way" while the latest Guitar Hero seemed as if each chart with written with the designer speaking aloud to himself: "Hmmm, I wonder how I can flummox the player and possibly cause him to splinter his own fingerbones in the excitement of attempting this."
There's parts in Guitar Hero III that the original guitarist just plain never played with his own hands. Quite often the GHIII parts were done half by machine-other-than-a-guitar or two human beings on guitars. Personally, I like 3-note chords since it seems to jive rather nicely with my cursory look at a "Learn to Play Guitar" book, but some chord transitions, note series seem to be selected not because they mimic the actual music but because it's hard to get your hand to do that. GH1 was a music game that happened to be hard, GH3 was a hard game that happened to contain music. Also, GH has a HO/PO flaw wherein the string stops vibrating if you miss a single note unlike the physical instrument. GHII hits on this flaw more than the other games in the series.
Slash is probably a better iconic figure as a "Legend", but slightly out of my generation. Tom Morello, respect the man, think he's an awesome player... but he's so down to earth and unassuming that it's weird to make him up to be some mexican wrestler. Slash is practically a cartoon character.
I do like the tutorials in Guitar Hero, they are always fun and entertaining, unlike the Rock Band's tutorials which are like getting harpsichord lessons from your friend's not-hot mom.
The real vs guitar hero guitar thing... I dunno, I've never seen a GH player that had delusions of grandeur that they were somehow equal or better than someone that plays a real guitar. Ever. The "real guitar defenders" seems excessively defensive about some threat that doesn't actually exist. I fly real planes and if I see someone playing a flight sim, I don't run over and kick their sand castle. I enjoy that they have expressed some appreciation for the activity. Lastly, most of the time it's not worth the time and effort to debate with such people as usually (and our last zealot was a fine example) they have such little spelling and grammatical ability as it's rather obvious which end of the "learned" stick they hold onto.
There's parts in Guitar Hero III that the original guitarist just plain never played with his own hands. Quite often the GHIII parts were done half by machine-other-than-a-guitar or two human beings on guitars. Personally, I like 3-note chords since it seems to jive rather nicely with my cursory look at a "Learn to Play Guitar" book, but some chord transitions, note series seem to be selected not because they mimic the actual music but because it's hard to get your hand to do that. GH1 was a music game that happened to be hard, GH3 was a hard game that happened to contain music. Also, GH has a HO/PO flaw wherein the string stops vibrating if you miss a single note unlike the physical instrument. GHII hits on this flaw more than the other games in the series.
Slash is probably a better iconic figure as a "Legend", but slightly out of my generation. Tom Morello, respect the man, think he's an awesome player... but he's so down to earth and unassuming that it's weird to make him up to be some mexican wrestler. Slash is practically a cartoon character.
I do like the tutorials in Guitar Hero, they are always fun and entertaining, unlike the Rock Band's tutorials which are like getting harpsichord lessons from your friend's not-hot mom.
The real vs guitar hero guitar thing... I dunno, I've never seen a GH player that had delusions of grandeur that they were somehow equal or better than someone that plays a real guitar. Ever. The "real guitar defenders" seems excessively defensive about some threat that doesn't actually exist. I fly real planes and if I see someone playing a flight sim, I don't run over and kick their sand castle. I enjoy that they have expressed some appreciation for the activity. Lastly, most of the time it's not worth the time and effort to debate with such people as usually (and our last zealot was a fine example) they have such little spelling and grammatical ability as it's rather obvious which end of the "learned" stick they hold onto.
I enjoy Guitar Hero, and I am pretty good at it, but I agree about the difficulty curve and WHY IS THERE NO CLIVE WINSTON OR PANDORA?! On a side note, my Rock Band character is going to be named Gareth Gobblecoque.
Well, visiting family this holiday, I was hectored into playing Guitar Hero III. As expected, I hated it and fell into passive-aggressive methods before I was a third of the way through the first song and scored absolute 0 on the second.
That said, I could have easily loved this game if it had come out twenty-five years ago. While it looks like a simple color-matching game, how it really plays is as a memory game. You don't excel at this game by watching the screen and developing hand-eye co-ordination reflexes. Rather, you play the game over and over and through trial and error, learn the patterns for each song until you can five star ever damned one on expert without even looking at the screen.
The odd thing about this is that it's not a bad skill to develop for playing a real guitar, you just would have to substitute the colorful buttons with actual chords, infinitely more complex, but it's still a matter of memorizing the patterns without having any reference save your own sense of timing, and maybe the drums and base giving you a point of reference. This theory is confirmed by various You Tube videos of kids doing exactly that. I was surprised to find this game could conceivably be a useful exercise for the budding young guitarist, but there you go.
But, like I had said, this game has come out too late for me. When I was twelve, I would have been all over this thing, possibly decking my room and wardrobe out in Guitar Hero merchandise, eating Guitar Hero cereal with little marshmallow music notes for breakfast, etc, etc. But I'm older now, and while I'm no less a nerd, I take a great deal less pleasure in being one. More to the point, my reflexes are completely shot, so I suck air like a Dust Buster right out of the gate. This means an uphill battle to do well at this game requiring hours and hours or practice, which would dig into my porn-surfing time, so this will not be happening. Also, I'm also not buying the whole rock star fantasy thing, anymore. I'm thirty six. Even if I did turn out to be marvelously gifted the first time I picked up a real guitar, to become a rock star at this point would require me to suck a lot of dick. This is also not going to happen, because they're music industry guys. Who knows where their tweeter has been? Frankly the very notion gives me the ickies.
That said, I could have easily loved this game if it had come out twenty-five years ago. While it looks like a simple color-matching game, how it really plays is as a memory game. You don't excel at this game by watching the screen and developing hand-eye co-ordination reflexes. Rather, you play the game over and over and through trial and error, learn the patterns for each song until you can five star ever damned one on expert without even looking at the screen.
The odd thing about this is that it's not a bad skill to develop for playing a real guitar, you just would have to substitute the colorful buttons with actual chords, infinitely more complex, but it's still a matter of memorizing the patterns without having any reference save your own sense of timing, and maybe the drums and base giving you a point of reference. This theory is confirmed by various You Tube videos of kids doing exactly that. I was surprised to find this game could conceivably be a useful exercise for the budding young guitarist, but there you go.
But, like I had said, this game has come out too late for me. When I was twelve, I would have been all over this thing, possibly decking my room and wardrobe out in Guitar Hero merchandise, eating Guitar Hero cereal with little marshmallow music notes for breakfast, etc, etc. But I'm older now, and while I'm no less a nerd, I take a great deal less pleasure in being one. More to the point, my reflexes are completely shot, so I suck air like a Dust Buster right out of the gate. This means an uphill battle to do well at this game requiring hours and hours or practice, which would dig into my porn-surfing time, so this will not be happening. Also, I'm also not buying the whole rock star fantasy thing, anymore. I'm thirty six. Even if I did turn out to be marvelously gifted the first time I picked up a real guitar, to become a rock star at this point would require me to suck a lot of dick. This is also not going to happen, because they're music industry guys. Who knows where their tweeter has been? Frankly the very notion gives me the ickies.
I finally got the chance to play my cousin's copy of this, and I have a few things to say:
1.) I think the term "Legends of Rock" comes from their playlist, which seems to have more in the way of classic songs than some of the others. Not to mention that every characters aim is to become a Legend in and of themselves...what better way than out-rocking the Devil to do it?
2.) I'm okay with J-pop, but Midori has NO place in that game. At all.
3.) Why did they get rid of Pandora?? She's one of the originals! Bastards... (At least they kept Casey. I like her better.)
4.) The movement IS really jerky in the background. No, I haven't memorized the songs after ONE attempt. I just have good peripheral vision.
5.) Some of the songs are, indeed, stupid hard, even on the lower levels. I was helping my cousin beat Helicopter, and the rhythm guitar was annoyingly difficult, even though I was only playing Medium.
Well, that's about it out of me. Keep up the good work!
1.) I think the term "Legends of Rock" comes from their playlist, which seems to have more in the way of classic songs than some of the others. Not to mention that every characters aim is to become a Legend in and of themselves...what better way than out-rocking the Devil to do it?
2.) I'm okay with J-pop, but Midori has NO place in that game. At all.
3.) Why did they get rid of Pandora?? She's one of the originals! Bastards... (At least they kept Casey. I like her better.)
4.) The movement IS really jerky in the background. No, I haven't memorized the songs after ONE attempt. I just have good peripheral vision.
5.) Some of the songs are, indeed, stupid hard, even on the lower levels. I was helping my cousin beat Helicopter, and the rhythm guitar was annoyingly difficult, even though I was only playing Medium.
Well, that's about it out of me. Keep up the good work!
There's no need to memorize the songs... you just have to know where your fingers are at the moment so that you can move it to the right button in time. Knowing the song from before helps a lot, because you actually know before hand the timing of the chords.Mad Rabbit in a Labcoat said:
As for the difficulty, even if you do know what's coming, some songs are just impossible to beat, at least for me. In the last batch of songs in the HARD difficulty Raining Blood and One are way too hard. I think that's what he meant with the brick wall thing... I also got stuck with songs that required me to be super fast in the EXPERT difficulty like Holiday In Cambodia.
I understand that. I was just making the point that I'm not a freak; I just pick up on these things as I play.Dante G said: