Zero Punctuation: Halo 3

Alex Karls

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Destructoid.com said:
[link]http://www.destructoid.com/halo-3-makes-300-million-worldwide-in-first-week-sales-47649.phtml[/link]

This sleeper hit has made $300 million worldwide. Not only that, but Xbox 360 console sales have almost doubled and nearly three million people have played on LIVE:
The Microsoft press release that Destructoid was quoting said:
More than 2.7 million gamers have played "Halo 3" on Xbox LIVE in the first week, representing nearly one-third of the 7 million Xbox LIVE members worldwide. Within the first day of its launch, "Halo 3" players worldwide racked up more than 3.6 million hours of online gameplay, which increased more than elevenfold to 40 million hours by the end of the first week, representing more than 4,500 years of continuous gameplay.
I'm all for truth in reporting and what not, but it does seem fairly obvious that Halo 3 is a gigantic success, and verifiably so. Were you guys arguing about not being able to backup the stats with the source? My apologies if I misinterpreted, I just thought that these might help if that was the case.
 

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Assuming that 40 million gameplay hours represent the player base all playing for at least 8 hours a day for 7 days in the week, that's 714,000~ people per day. One million people playing Halo 3 in a day is conceivable. I'm not sure if Xbox Live could do one million at once, but who knows, maybe?
 

Alex Karls

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http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7224&Itemid=2

This article talks about the number of Xbox 360's sold. As of June 30th, 2007, approximately 11.6 million had been sold. Given that the estimated number of Xbox Live users by this time was at least 6 million (as it passed that number in March, from what Katana314 was saying), that means we've got about a 50%+ adoption rate on multiplayer functionality. I'm guessing the ratio is actually higher than that, but can't be sure. Either way, this simply reaffirms what people have said for a long while. Multiplayer is one of the strong driving forces behind Xbox 360 sales.

I have an opinion of Yahtzee's review myself. I really liked it. He was honest, upfront, and funny. I'm not sure that it is of the most critical use, given that he wasn't interested in multiplayer and hadn't wanted to review this one intentionally, but it's all around good for the sake of being entertaining.
 

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Moving back on:

The whole thing rolls out to a big old:

So what? Yahtzee's review kicked aces in so many levels for speaking the truth. Overhype is overhype. Period.
 

Alex Karls

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symphonycometh said:
So what? Yahtzee's review kicked aces in so many levels for speaking the truth. Overhype is overhype. Period.
What do you define as overhype? He spoke his opinion. Whether or not it is the truth is another matter.

If I happened to disagree with him on pretty much every point, does that mean I am merely a hype machine, that I cannot have an opinion on my own?

Maybe I am a hype machine. Maybe I loved the game. Maybe I hated it.

Or maybe, Yahtzee's review is bias, and that he's just an entertaining reviewer.

I guess what I'm saying is that I dislike getting into absolutes. I don't believe in them.
 

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Alex Karls said:
symphonycometh said:
So what? Yahtzee's review kicked aces in so many levels for speaking the truth. Overhype is overhype. Period.
What do you define as overhype? He spoke his opinion. Whether or not it is the truth is another matter.

If I happened to disagree with him on pretty much every point, does that mean I am merely a hype machine, that I cannot have an opinion on my own?

Maybe I am a hype machine. Maybe I loved the game. Maybe I hated it.

Or maybe, Yahtzee's review is bias, and that he's just an entertaining reviewer.

I guess what I'm saying is that I dislike getting into absolutes. I don't believe in them.
I admit there's a serious bias when someone who hasn't played Halo before enters the game for the first time and doesn't like it.
 

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While I'm fairly new, I would like to add into this discussion that in terms of Console First-Person Shooters (a distinction that needs to be made for reasons I'll get to later), the shooter element hasn't had a true leader for most of it's history. Previous generations (NES until say Genesis/SNES) were technologically inferior to home computers at that time, so having a First-Person Shooter was destined to be a failing effort. As the consoles bridged the gap, FPS games on consoles became more possible, though many of them were clunky and controls were imprecise. This is where Halo (the original) shined. As a console shooter, the controls in Halo were spot on. This combined with very good weapon balance, made Halo the first console shooter to truly put everything together (with respect to Goldeneye being wonderful, that N64 controller is a ***** to play with). In that respect, Halo pushed the envelope in console FPS games. The second game was quite a bit of the same, except it made use of the Xbox Live system to a degree that ensured it would lead the rest of the generation...which it did.

As for Halo 3, the multiplayer is without fail, the pinnacle of the generation thus far. Forge (while a novelty, and editing objects and spawns is amateurish, is still a first for the series and well done) and Saved Films is sending the multiplayer in a whole new direction. Basically, there are a number of things that the end user can do with those two things to ensure that the game never loses the fun appeal to them. In that respect, it is one of the best games out. It isn't without it's flaws, single player included, but all the same, the entire package needs to be judged, or you've done the idea of reviewing a disservice.

I did find it hilarious that through this thread, there's the one snobby guy saying things about Bioshock (shock horror, it's really good!), all the while throwing insults abound. The utter elitism of it is humorous to me.

If it's all the same, as long as the reviews are funny (which they most certainly are), I couldn't care less whether they bashed a game or praised it. I will say this, to review half a game, while simultaneously panning the part that was reviewed in Halo 3's case, yet to completely ignore the fact that Bioshock was released on the Xbox 360 (with a very large base for multiplayer) yet had no multiplayer offering at all...would you not consider it half a game then? If not, then why overlook that, yet shine a spotlight on Halo 3, even though you willingly ignored the multiplayer? Seems a bit off to me. I never did rely on reviews though, it's a sheep mentality that sees a review and rushes out to buy a game based solely on an arbitrary and completely subjective score.
 

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Merlynn said:
And Alex,Halo 3 was overhyped. Most games simply don't get that kind of publicity. The real question is,does it live up to the hype? For me,no. There's simply no way it could for me. For you? I dunno. That's something only you can answer. But that Halo 3 was overhyped is fact. It's just a fuckload of hype. And it's everywhere.
i'm going to have to agree here. i love the halo series, but halo on my burger king cup is sort of a reach.
 

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Sure PC games saw a port, but it was a lackluster port, and more often than not, the controls didn't make the journey in one piece. If the whole of the game looks close enough, but the controls are not good, then the game isn't going to live up to the name. Way to ignore the larger point though, which is the original Halo did console shooters justice, Halo 2 did multiplayer on consoles in a revolutionary way with existing services, and Halo 3 built on all that success by additions to the multiplayer field. Each one has built on the last one.

The guy in here who keeps pushing Bioshock willingly allowed it to pass based on his arbitrary designations about its story and scale, but was not able to see that by not including the multiplayer options of Halo 3, he's completely missed the point of the game.
 

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Merlynn said:
I am the source of the math. I took a basic number,3 million copies sold,took into account hardcore,casual,and fan boys playing Halo,the fact it was just released and so a lot of people are playing it like mad,and then made an educated guess which should be obvious to anyone who bothered to read my post. I'm saying that 1 million players on-line playing Halo 3 wouldn't be too far from believable. In other words,it's plausible,but I can't prove or disprove it.

So unless you want to come up with something to disprove it,like logging into Xbox Live with Halo 3 and seeing how many are on playing it,don't just dismiss the fact it *could* be happening. Doing things like that makes you blind to possibilities and once you've done that,you've locked into a mindset and nothing short of being tortured will get you out of it.

The fact remains,1 million people playing Halo 3 is hardly impossible. But we're only dealing in possibility cause none of us have a means to check. And the one guy who does in this little mess seems intent to stand by the "1 million people on playing it" statement.
True, while in multiplayer, it can tell you how many people or in the same mode as you (Social Slayer, Rumble pit, ect) it only tells you how many are on that mode at that time, and the highest number ive ever seen is around the 50-60'000 mark, which is surprising cause Im in the UK, and I go on late at night around what would probably be the peak time for america...
 

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Alex Karls said:
symphonycometh said:
So what? Yahtzee's review kicked aces in so many levels for speaking the truth. Overhype is overhype. Period.
What do you define as overhype? He spoke his opinion. Whether or not it is the truth is another matter.

If I happened to disagree with him on pretty much every point, does that mean I am merely a hype machine, that I cannot have an opinion on my own?

Maybe I am a hype machine. Maybe I loved the game. Maybe I hated it.

Or maybe, Yahtzee's review is bias, and that he's just an entertaining reviewer.

I guess what I'm saying is that I dislike getting into absolutes. I don't believe in

them.
I define overhype as a game that IS okay or good at best...but reveives much more praise than a game that actually put forth an effort to be different, has a decent multiplayer or not, SWEET storyline, awesome music...downplayed why? Because a game (Halo) that does okay and great in ONE of these fields is telling everyone:
"Why put forth the effort if we can just do another Halo?" Killzone 2 will do this as well I'm sure.

His review isn't bias, its open. A GAME can't get a perfect score if it's NOT perfect. If you need an excuse, it's NOT perfect. I don't know too many other ways to explain that for you...let's just hope Yahtzee was wrong about games in the future being all similar because of the success of...a overhpyed OKAY game. See?

Halo did NOTHING extremely new to the table and Shadows of the Collossus and the likes that tried and succeeded in doing something new...never will see the type of hype Halo 3 got.

Good job gamers. That's why we have so many dang similar games now this gen!
 

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MattDark said:
True, while in multiplayer, it can tell you how many people or in the same mode as you (Social Slayer, Rumble pit, ect) it only tells you how many are on that mode at that time, and the highest number ive ever seen is around the 50-60'000 mark, which is surprising cause Im in the UK, and I go on late at night around what would probably be the peak time for america...
You're looking at the wrong screen. It tells you the total too. The other day there WAS 960,000,000 people on, but ive never seen it hit a million.

Edit: 960,000 not 960,000,000 sorry
 

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So great I literaly fell of my chair laughing! Great work keep em coming!
If possible I'd like to see Team Fortress 2 or Half life 2 Portal this week
 

Alex Karls

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I definitely don't disagree that Halo 3 was overhyped. In terms of what it can do, I wonder whether or not Halo 3 would've sold as well if it weren't overhyped. However, that's one of the only useful questions I can think of when it comes to saying something's overhyped. Beyond that, it offers very little useful critical information, if any.

If you're saying that a game is a bad game because it has been overhyped, you're just saying that it's too popular for your tastes, too advertised. If we're going to criticize it, wouldn't it be better to stick to what we can really criticize about the game? And another reason I dislike hype is because of how it affects gaming journalism. If we're getting a fair shake from the reviewers, then hype shouldn't affect their reviews too much...which doesn't always happen.