Zero Punctuation: Halo Wars
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edit: nevermind I was like a week behind
anyway, hilarious as always. BTW: the only good RTS that was EVER on a console EVER was Dune on the Genesis. It rocked.
After years of testing, it's obvious that RTS's do NOT belong on a console system. There are too many things to micromanage and too little control with the console controller that is just clunky when it comes to working in this capacity.
edit: nevermind I was like a week behind
anyway, hilarious as always. BTW: the only good RTS that was EVER on a console EVER was Dune on the Genesis. It rocked.
After years of testing, it's obvious that RTS's do NOT belong on a console system. There are too many things to micromanage and too little control with the console controller that is just clunky when it comes to working in this capacity.
Okey if anyone here actually watches Unskippable. It's Very different to ZP. They made a bet that it wasn't so hard and Graham came over to ZP to try. He was completely out of his normal way of reviewing and did a pretty damned good job so stop bitching about it he isn't going to be permanently on ZP and it was a guest so why are we stabbing Unskippable? freaking trolls.
you know i have seen this countless times ad just realized, that well...sheep are dumb as hell andthere all the same they can't get any dumber (I know I have worked with sheep)
The Hero Stuff in WC3 wasn't really something new. It was just a copied idea of some other RTS game. Sorry, I can't remember the name because that game was a Warcraft 1 clone. So too long ago for my simple little nerdiness. Maybe the Blizzard guys not did that on purpose. Trying to reinvent the wheel is too low, even for them. However, let's try to think what Starcraft did to the RTS. Starcraft named the tactical maneuver, which is just building as many units as you can and bomb them at the enemy no matter how high the losses would be. Short: To zerg. And unfortunatly that's all you did in Starcraft.xopher said:
In Warcraft 3 they made things different. At least a little, because you wern't able to 'zerg' with one type of unit. But in the end there also was an ultimate strategy for each race. They even have a measurement for the skill in Warcraft 3. But "Actions per minute" sounds to me just like, who is the faster guy and not who is the guy with the better strategy. So learn the ultimate strategy for every single map/race and become faster is the whole idea in Multiplayer? I simply can not recommend that.
For RTS there is only one game that i know of, where strategy things are made completly different. By having the need to spying on the enemy to even be able to counter his attacks by building the unit, which is able to do that and meanwhile do something own to attack the enemy, Supreme Commander made the best RTS concept so far. Even C&C can't keep up with the high priority on military intelligence. OK, you also are in need to be fast, but you not just build the units, which you build every single time.
All in all it's disappointing, that Warcraft and Starcraft made the Army of braidless mainstream gamers even larger. Good for me that i'm lazy and slow, so i usually play turn based strategy games, where you should be only in need for the best strategy. Unfortunatly there wasn't any good game since Etherlords, which only copied the concept of Magic the Gathering. But that's what i ment about, copying a concept is OK as long as you do it right (in my last post).
Yahtzee, you malinformed frood,
To select all your flying pricks you press LB + Right trigger till you have flying pricks selected.
Complete agree about the pathfinding issues though, very annoying.
And what was all that bull at the start?
Away with that tosspot.
To select all your flying pricks you press LB + Right trigger till you have flying pricks selected.
Complete agree about the pathfinding issues though, very annoying.
And what was all that bull at the start?
Away with that tosspot.
Exactly, why did Bungie even bother making this game for the 360. RTS games are meant to be played with mouse and keyboard; not a controller with 8 buttons. Didn't blizzard try that a while ago with SC on the Nintendo 64?skathe said:first!
edit: nevermind I was like a week behind
anyway, hilarious as always. BTW: the only good RTS that was EVER on a console EVER was Dune on the Genesis. It rocked.
After years of testing, it's obvious that RTS's do NOT belong on a console system. There are too many things to micromanage and too little control with the console controller that is just clunky when it comes to working in this capacity.
Bungie didn't it was Ensemble studios, the makers of RTS games such as Age of Empires (correct me if i'm wrong)xopher said:Exactly, why did Bungie even bother making this game for the 360. RTS games are meant to be played with mouse and keyboard; not a controller with 8 buttons. Didn't blizzard try that a while ago with SC on the Nintendo 64?skathe said:first!
edit: nevermind I was like a week behind
anyway, hilarious as always. BTW: the only good RTS that was EVER on a console EVER was Dune on the Genesis. It rocked.
After years of testing, it's obvious that RTS's do NOT belong on a console system. There are too many things to micromanage and too little control with the console controller that is just clunky when it comes to working in this capacity.
Quite successfully as well, sadly hot keys didn't exist to any useful degree, but it wasn't much different from the PC version, split screen multiplayer was always fun on StarCraft on the N64, it was better on the PC however it wasn't a bad game on the N64.xopher said:Exactly, why did Bungie even bother making this game for the 360. RTS games are meant to be played with mouse and keyboard; not a controller with 8 buttons. Didn't blizzard try that a while ago with SC on the Nintendo 64?skathe said:first!
edit: nevermind I was like a week behind
anyway, hilarious as always. BTW: the only good RTS that was EVER on a console EVER was Dune on the Genesis. It rocked.
After years of testing, it's obvious that RTS's do NOT belong on a console system. There are too many things to micromanage and too little control with the console controller that is just clunky when it comes to working in this capacity.
Well i crawled out from under my rock to make an account and post!
I don't think any rts game your going to play is really going to rock your world, It's all about the build up and smash and some games want you to try to do more, But versus any AI build population limit of biggest tank/aeroplane/face roll across map and your done.
However Starcraft does have a decent storyline there are certainly plenty of bullshit missions between you and the end of the story, but overall learning to use the units and playing through the campaign was rewarding for me, More so than most other Rts games i play.
I also think playing it would give you a good retrospect of Blizzard then and now.
I don't think any rts game your going to play is really going to rock your world, It's all about the build up and smash and some games want you to try to do more, But versus any AI build population limit of biggest tank/aeroplane/face roll across map and your done.
However Starcraft does have a decent storyline there are certainly plenty of bullshit missions between you and the end of the story, but overall learning to use the units and playing through the campaign was rewarding for me, More so than most other Rts games i play.
I also think playing it would give you a good retrospect of Blizzard then and now.
I have mixed feelings about the RTS genere in general. I personally think the reigning champ is Dawn of War: Soulstorm, but yeah... I don't think such games can be done correctly on consoles as they exist now.
Now if they ever decided to do something like integrate the technology from a Nintendo DS into a controller for a console (which would be expensive) you might have some kind of stylus control attached to what your doing on the big screen, and could somehow select and move units that way.
However it's a very expensive and obtuse work around for what a mouse and keyboard do much more easily.
Oh and as I said before, Dynasty Warriors Gundam 2 is coming out soon. I still implore the owners of the Escapist to assign the game to Yahtzee so we can be entertained by his screams. Perhaps required half hour show dedicated to that game?
Now if they ever decided to do something like integrate the technology from a Nintendo DS into a controller for a console (which would be expensive) you might have some kind of stylus control attached to what your doing on the big screen, and could somehow select and move units that way.
However it's a very expensive and obtuse work around for what a mouse and keyboard do much more easily.
Oh and as I said before, Dynasty Warriors Gundam 2 is coming out soon. I still implore the owners of the Escapist to assign the game to Yahtzee so we can be entertained by his screams. Perhaps required half hour show dedicated to that game?
I can tell by Yahtzee's reactions to the word JRPG that he's never played Tales of Symphonia. Missin' out, man, missin' out. Both segments were funny, and I'll congratulate the man from Unskippable who sounds like Mike Nelson on a good effort. Keep it up, I'll look forward to it.
He didn't hate The World Ends With You... but he didn't exactly love it either. His qualms with JRPGs is about the same I have, and, UNLESS Tales of Symphonia is completely different to other JRPGs in that it actually gives you choice to, you know, roleplay and make actual decisions instead of just carrying the protagonist from point A to point B to trigger scripts (not counting secrets that are completely obscure and unidentifiable withing the game), then I don't know how he could come to like it any more than any other JRPGs out there.ssjSephiroth said:
I did play a demo of it though, and besides the... interesting combat mechanics, it didn't look to be that different from the regular JRPG, so I guess you're out of luck.
Yahtzee was obviously hysterical but thats no surprise honestly. I was surprised with Grahams review. I have seen many insults and critiques towards him on this board but really, did any of you actually listen to what he said? Do you have your heads so far up Yhatzees ass that you cant see a funny analogy when it doesnt come with a British accent said in Australian vernacular. And why would any of you be under the impression its going to happen every week. eh i dont want to rant its to early in the morning and im naturally pissed off because it is, then again it could be becasue I really believe that pregnancy is the #1 most common STD and internet boards are blatant proof of that. I just want to give credit where credit is due and i think that most of the detritus (or as my mom calls them "human beings") that frequent this board have been so spoiled on yahtzees humor that they can't appreciate anything else. Not that I dont get that, i mean i do, yahtzee has perhaps made me laugh more than any one human being ever and i mean that, but i guess my point is if you gave yahtzee Grahams script everyone would be lauding it as another amazing installment instead of the criticizing just because its him. Like i said credit where credit is due. Anyway i shall STFU now, As no one cares what the hell I think anyway.
Lol! The guy from Unskippable really didn't know how to do that .
Btw, what's up with all the guys getting banned/suspended?
.Btw, what's up with all the guys getting banned/suspended?