Zero Punctuation: Lollipop Chainsaw

[Falseprophet]

In fact, I'm calling a new rule. Anyone who talks about Other M's characterizations in ANY light are now required to watch this video [http://www.screwattack.com/shows/partners/game-overthinker/game-overthinker-episode-40-heavens-metroid] before commenting further.

While I agree with MovieBob's film reviews about 90-95% of the time, when it comes to his Game OverThinker vids that drops to about 60%. This was one of the ones I disagreed with.

I found this guy's [http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/learning-from-other-m/] counter-arguments to be far more convincing.

 

[solidstatemind]

Vitriol levels seemed low... Nice bike, tho.

As to the game, sounds like a renter-- which I had figured it would be. Let's face it, everyone would've been super-surprised if it had been substantial and deep game, given the title.

 

[Michael Ellis]

Just what the hell is "fucked" about wanting to protect Lara in the new Tomb Raider?

I'm sorry Croshaw, but you really jumped the shark with your contrarian bullshit on that one.

 

[Spongebobdickpants]

Everyone seems to ignore the fact that nick is a completely disempowered, objectified and abused character, this runs parallel to Juliet to really serve as a criticism of this kind of objectification.

Its a nice bit of social commentary that mocks the very consumer this game has been targeted at.

 

[Balkan]

Ha ha - the guy jerked off a cock . Isnt that visualy funny ?

 

[SilverBullets000]

In fact, I'm calling a new rule. Anyone who talks about Other M's characterizations in ANY light are now required to watch this video [http://www.screwattack.com/shows/partners/game-overthinker/game-overthinker-episode-40-heavens-metroid] before commenting further.

While I agree with MovieBob's film reviews about 90-95% of the time, when it comes to his Game OverThinker vids that drops to about 60%. This was one of the ones I disagreed with.

I found this guy's [http://www.penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/learning-from-other-m/] counter-arguments to be far more convincing.

There's also this guy's videos on the subject http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4ww_NwjC0Q . They're very in depth, I suggest checking it out.

 

[head desk tricycle]

Shinji Mikami helped on Killer7 as well.

 

[Cecilthedarkknight_234]

so a rental at best, well I might still pick it up for just my inner anime fan-boy wants all of that dlc/costumes to mess around with.

 

[mronoc]

Between Super and Slither, if you haven't heard of James Gunn, that's your problem. Also, I thought the same thing here as I did when you said it in the Bayonetta review, if it's intentions are clear, why should anyone care that someone's masturbating to it? There's someone willing to masturbate to virtually anything on the internet, if you haven't noticed.

 

[Milo Windby]

I will play this at some point... perhaps not right away... but when I do I am going to get the Evil Dead/Army of Darkness costume the game offers and pretend that the Necronomicon has somehow ***** slapped Ash Williams and turned him into a girl to annoy his sense of manliness and he now has to fight zombies in a highschool to get to the book and change himself back into the Man who is a Manly Man.

 

[uneek]

Yahtzee, really...I am VERY disappointed in you. The Other M characterization dead horse has been stripped of it's skin by now.

In fact, I'm calling a new rule. Anyone who talks about Other M's characterizations in ANY light are now required to watch this video [http://www.screwattack.com/shows/partners/game-overthinker/game-overthinker-episode-40-heavens-metroid] before commenting further.

While I'd be willing to listen to someone's argument from the other side of the issue, I'm not sure someone who uses the argument "People who claim this game is sexist are simply xenophobes/racist towards the Japanese" helps to validate that other side.

He was only saying that the ones who used the argument "It's Japan. They always do that" are who are xenophobic. Not everyone.

 

[Michael Ellis]

Yahtzee, really...I am VERY disappointed in you. The Other M characterization dead horse has been stripped of it's skin by now.

In fact, I'm calling a new rule. Anyone who talks about Other M's characterizations in ANY light are now required to watch this video [http://www.screwattack.com/shows/partners/game-overthinker/game-overthinker-episode-40-heavens-metroid] before commenting further.

While I'd be willing to listen to someone's argument from the other side of the issue, I'm not sure someone who uses the argument "People who claim this game is sexist are simply xenophobes/racist towards the Japanese" helps to validate that other side.

He was only saying that the ones who used the argument "It's Japan. They always do that" are who are xenophobic. Not everyone.

Well it can't be argued Samus's characterization in Other M basically stems from the japanese society's view of women. The producer, Yoshio Sakamoto, wrote the script as well, and it's really obvious the guy is a mysoginist.

 

[Shiro No Uma]

I pre-ordered this game for around $40. Not quite a budget game price, but I was pleasantly surprised how goofy and fun it was. Yes, it's similar to other Suda 51 games, but if you have played and enjoyed other Suda games (not just watched a video and decided that you are above all that) you might enjoy this game as well. His games weave very interesting, crazy, surreal stories. This one being a more lowbrow very alternate universe were it's OK to be a kick ass Buffy-ish slayer, and it's got great writing/voice acting in the style that only Suda can pull off. While the gameplay isn't broken, it is sluggish. I will say that, load times withstanding, the way in which different game mechanics come into play was something that I really liked. (Aside from Zombie Baseball. Yahtzee wasn't lying about how hard and just horrible that was.) If you like hack-in slash games give this one a try.

On a side note, as I'm really curious of others thoughts about a trend I saw in other posts. Is it the subject mater, genre or the presentation of this game that has a lot of people rolling their eyes at a Sudo 51 game being quirky? All of his games have been insane in style and story. But in correlation a game from Hideo Kojima, like any new Metal Gear, though part of an ongoing universe will be very similar in story and how it's told/played to it predecessors. Is it he quality or style of the the game in comparison to others? Are we just getting more jaded?

 

[twesterm]

It's funny when Yahtzee has to talk about someone who has to try too hard because of what the public expects of him.

 

[Eternal_Lament]

Yahtzee, really...I am VERY disappointed in you. The Other M characterization dead horse has been stripped of it's skin by now.

In fact, I'm calling a new rule. Anyone who talks about Other M's characterizations in ANY light are now required to watch this video [http://www.screwattack.com/shows/partners/game-overthinker/game-overthinker-episode-40-heavens-metroid] before commenting further.

While I'd be willing to listen to someone's argument from the other side of the issue, I'm not sure someone who uses the argument "People who claim this game is sexist are simply xenophobes/racist towards the Japanese" helps to validate that other side.

He was only saying that the ones who used the argument "It's Japan. They always do that" are who are xenophobic. Not everyone.

He still left little room to actually grant valid arguments that the game's portrayal was mishandled. For one thing, while it's true that he may have been going for that logic, he was basically implying that everyone was following that logic. He didn't even mention reviewers or journalists who had valid arguments, he simply pointed to 4chan message boards and implied that those were basically the entirety of the arguments. For all his talks about how he hates strawman arguments he himself is the worst offender of it

 

[Mr.Pandah]

I've seen some gameplay of this game on the youtube channel of my favorite game commentator, and I have to say that I'll take a pass on this one. It might be QUIIIIIRKY, but it's just too repetitive for my taste.

Is it Robbaz? I love Robbaz haha also this game seems way too repetitive for me to consider.

 

[Sheo_Dagana]

Yahtzee's thoughts on Lollipop Chainsaw mirror my own the the extent that he and I both utilized the same broken AAX combo throughout the entire game. Seriously - that move is insanely powerful.

Lollipop Chainsaw is good for a laugh, good for killing some time, but at the end of the day, more of a rental game and less of something to own. Listen to Yahtzee on this review because he's pretty much got it down.

 

[Michael Ellis]

Just what the hell is "fucked" about wanting to protect Lara in the new Tomb Raider?

I'm sorry Croshaw, but you really jumped the shark with your contrarian bullshit on that one.

The fact you're taking one of the strongest females in gaming and being told by the director that you should "Protect her and nurture her" like she's a Barbie doll or something. It's unneeded, and bloody stupid to boot.

That wasn't said by the director, and that wasn't even what was meant. The idea is that you'll REALLY want to see Lara succeed, that they want to make you feel as thought if you were there, you'd want to do everything in your power to protect her. It's called building empathy for a character.

Try the Extra Credits video on Other M instead.

Now those guys just went way overboard trying not to laye blame for the script on anyone. But I'm sorry, Other M was in development for years. Creating it took hundred's of people's time and attention. When the script of something like that is written and approved by the same person, and the script turns out horrible, you don't blame the production companies who had nothing to do with the script for how the script turned out, you fucking blame the guy who wrote and approved the script.

 

[ewhac]

He talked about this I think in an Extra Punctuation last year, where he said that he always get a cold around this time in the summer.

Winter. He's in Australia, remember...

 

[Mark B]

I was surprised he managed to fill 6 minutes talking about a game this repetitive and empty.

Particularly when you consider how short the game is, but at least it has the lower price point (which no one has seemed to point out) of £30 rather than the normal £40.