Zero Punctuation: Lollipop Chainsaw
- Thread starter Yahtzee Croshaw
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Lollipop Chainsaw: GOTY 2012.
If you didn't enjoy it, please give my regards to your ability to have fun if you ever see it again.
I like how the main argument from people in this thread is "repetitive". Because you chainsaw zombies in every level? I'm sorry if Lollipop Chainsaw failed to step out of the shadow cast by EVERY GAME EVER IN THE HISTORY OF EVERYTHING.
Never mind the minigames scattered all over the place - placing Nick's head on a body to pass certain obstacles, the levels that involve using your chainsaw dash to run a gauntlet of obstacles, the railshooter/tower defence. Did you people even make it to the arcade level?
Never mind the fun and interesting boss battles. Never mind the awesome music selection and direction. Never mind the fact that out of this utterly stupid game about a 18 year old cheerleader killing zombies there was a genuinely moving moment
If you didn't enjoy it, please give my regards to your ability to have fun if you ever see it again.
I like how the main argument from people in this thread is "repetitive". Because you chainsaw zombies in every level? I'm sorry if Lollipop Chainsaw failed to step out of the shadow cast by EVERY GAME EVER IN THE HISTORY OF EVERYTHING.
Never mind the minigames scattered all over the place - placing Nick's head on a body to pass certain obstacles, the levels that involve using your chainsaw dash to run a gauntlet of obstacles, the railshooter/tower defence. Did you people even make it to the arcade level?
Never mind the fun and interesting boss battles. Never mind the awesome music selection and direction. Never mind the fact that out of this utterly stupid game about a 18 year old cheerleader killing zombies there was a genuinely moving moment
where Juliet's father suicidally rides a motorcycle loaded with dynamite into the mouth of a 500ft tall zombie Elvis.
While there's a fair amount of variety in the design, they're pretty much all zombies. Sometimes you get footballer or firefighter zombies who are just more annoying to kill. Sometimes you get "named" zombies which have distinct attack patterns and are almost like semi-minibosses.maninahat said:
The main bosses themselves are five spirits called "Dark Purveyors" from a hell dimenstion called "rotten world". They're also basically zombies, but awesome ones that represent styles of music.
Zed (voiced by Little Jimmy Urine of Mindless Self Indulgence, who also did the boss music), represents punk/industrial. He can hurt you with words. Literally.
Vikke, a giant viking, represents metal. In the third stage of the boss battle after you decapitate him, he grows in size and eats his own body.
Mariska (voiced by Shawnee Smith) represents psychedelic/funk. The entire level is basically a bad shroom trip where you also fight, as Nick puts it "mecha-chicken-zilla".
Josey (voiced by T-Pain) represents disco/electronica. His battle takes place in a video game arcade.
Lewis, who rides a motorcycle that turns into a mecha-elephant, represents rock 'n' roll.
But you know, I guess they're all basically zombies, so whatevs.
No, but they do get mentioned. Apparently Frankenberries are real, and their cereal is just propaganda to get you to trust them.maninahat said:
I'm not kidding, that is almost word for word a line of dialog from the game. The game itself only has zombies to fight in it, but Juliet is pretty blatantly a Buffy parody.
First of all, dude, spoilers. Second of all: holy shit, a Nintendo fanboy! I know this game isn't on a Nintendo system and has in no way been touched by that company, but come on. Browse the comment section of ANY video done for a Mario/Zelda/Metroid/Pokemon game and it's this argument. It's so paint by numbers at this point it's starting to branch out.Kermi said:
I add to this counter with THIS VIDEO. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX4mhp-8sOc]Trishbot said:
Cuz seriously, it will only be out of style to rage at Other M when Other M pulls a Back To The Future and erases itself from existence. When every single disc of that game has been fired into the sun. When Yoshio Sakamoto is banished to Siberia for life. When a new Metroid game comes out where Samus explicitly states that all that shit on the Bottle Ship never god damn happened. As long as that travesty of a game exists, it will continue to be fair game to rag on it.
Umm No I love Game Over Thinker defend him when others bash on him but this one was just patently wrong. Samus has a characterization. The people who usually talk about the character of Samus and how this goes against her personality are going by the actual personality from the comics and such.GamemasterAnthony said:
The closing comparison to a cheese puff reminded me of the show "A bit of Fry and Laurie" and once i explored this idea more, a lot of questions have come to mind.. Have u ever seen the show Yahtzee? and do you recognize a similarity between your "rants" and some of their monologues? and more general personal ponderings...
Not too impressed that Yahtzee of all people also wants to step onto the soapbox with Jim Sterling for a moment to direct some judgement over women's issues.
Stick to the whore jokes, Yahtzee. The blogosphere is plenty active in raising gender politics.
Stick to the whore jokes, Yahtzee. The blogosphere is plenty active in raising gender politics.
I've been kind of torn on this game, and Yahtzee kinda highlights my fears. Even if you dial it back for hyperbole and jokes, this sounds like it's boring in terms of combat.
Also, I did take the game as satirical and self-aware, but yes. People will still take it as fetishistic. But at least this comes off as self aware.
Plus, it really is a problem, I agree. Offbeat only really works as a thing when it's offbeat. If it becomes perfunctory, what is the point of it?
Also, I did take the game as satirical and self-aware, but yes. People will still take it as fetishistic. But at least this comes off as self aware.
That's not hipster.Eppy (Bored) said:
Plus, it really is a problem, I agree. Offbeat only really works as a thing when it's offbeat. If it becomes perfunctory, what is the point of it?
I was hoping Yahtzee would have something positive to say about the music for this game which was put to together by one of my personal favorite artists Jimmy Urine of Mindless Self Indulgence and Akira Yamaoka who made the sweet ear-love to me that was the Silent Hill Soundtrack.Yahtzee Croshaw said:
Anyone who posts that terrible video needs to watch this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX4mhp-8sOc&feature=plcpGamemasterAnthony said:
I have seen bob's video, and it is AWFUL (both in characterization and the video) I love how he forgets something he previously stated, that gameplay and cutscenes work together to tell the story, and just makes up a bunch of strawmen and their arguments that don't exist so that he has someone to argue against.
Edit: Stupid ninjas.
Edit 2: Here's another better video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfS0254dRRw&feature=plcp
Oh my stars. Well, thanks to you, good sir, I now have to at very least give this game a rent. Can't really afford much with only about $15 of spending money on me right now but methinks this will be worth it.Kermi said:
Incidentally, seeing as how Tara Strong (the chick who voices Twilight Sparkle) did the voice for our intrepid heroine methinks it would be awesome if they released a Twilight Sparkle cosplay DLC costume. Who else agrees?
Lester the Unlikely had a weak male protagonist! He literally ignores your commands and runs from things he's scared of, in fact. As you progress through the game, he becomes braver and less whiny. It's a pretty progressive game imo!NameIsRobertPaulson said:
OT: Yeah, "trying too hard" is exactly what I thought when I first saw the media buildup for Lollipop Chainsaw. I've never been a fan of actually playing Suda51 games, so it hardly matters to me, but I always loved his concepts and some of the ones in here are still pretty solid (the literal objectification of the "male lead" that someone mentioned earlier, the surprising progressive traits of the female lead, the satire of western gaming he's been doing since No More Heroes, etc.)
Erm, Yahtzee's made points about this before. See his Shadows Of The Damned, Catherine, and Other M reviews.Khanht Cope said:
Yes, of course. Spot on. I don't even know what you're talking about.Jerkules said:
I think it's immature to equate something so trivial as a video game with real discrimination. Gamers are like any other group of people, but it's also immature to make a blanket statement and say that everyone who utters something sexist is automatically a sexist person when it's far more likely that they're just idiots reaching for vile crap to spew.Jerkules said: