Zero Punctuation: MadWorld
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I've played it, and it's not the bad. I was almost going to defend the controls on the wii, but then I remembered all those times playing Resident Evil 4 when I'd swing the remote to break a crate, and Leon wouldn't swing so I'd swing again, and just as I'd give up and try to walk away, it would swing the knife twice into the midair. Of course, an enemy would always use the control-less opportunity to try to kill me.
So... I'd probably agree that no games that require the motion sensor should actually be on the wii.
So... I'd probably agree that no games that require the motion sensor should actually be on the wii.
To anyone who's still on the fence about this game: don't let Yahtzee's review influence you into not getting it. I've never even considered posting a comment about one of his videos before (because usually he sums everything in my head up just right and there's nothing left to be said) but this most recent one has been nibbling on the back of my brainstem all day because I can't figure out what was wrong with Yahtzee's copy that he was getting such a shitty performance from it. Oh, wait, that might just be the bias that's as obvious as a murder taking place in your room. And you're the one being gutted.
Yahtzee's biggest complaint with the game he outright stated at the end; it's on the Wii. Seriously? What the hell kind of a complaint is that? The Wii may be the weakest system this generation in terms of graphics and titles, but is that supposed to be some kind of excuse to not make games for it or something? The whole premise of the game was to produce a super stylized, over the top, entertaining blood fest where you get to use motions to feel more involved in the insane action. The whole purpose would be lost on any other console.
If you own a Wii and you don't see the incredible amount of exaggeration in Yahtzee's statement that you can eat a whole bowl of...whatever it was...in the time that it takes for the Wii to read a motion with the remote, then you're just being silly. In MadWorld especially the Wiimote's motions feel very responsive (except in some cases where you need to make a quick motion with the remote to accomplish one of the power struggles with bosses, those can be a *****).
From the beginning I could not understand how people could look at the screenshots and videos for this game and wonder what is happening when the black and white color scheme is pulled of so well. I'll admit sometimes I'd be brutalizing an enemy and would run off to grab an item to stab him in the eye with and then I'd turn around and lose him, but this was rare and aside from that it wasn't confusing at all.
The only two things that even made me go, "heh, that's true" was when he mentioned the strategy used for taking down bosses and the whole idea of the spectacle fighter, but even this was entirely right. He entirely left out the boss power struggles that mix up the battles and he also didn't mention that the game has a hard mode which, as it implies, is harder. Much harder.
I don't understand how Yahtzee could take a super flawed game like No More Heroes (which I also enjoyed) and say that he really liked it because it was different when really MadWorld is more or less No More Heroes but 10 times better. It stands out from the rest of the crowd 10 times more, it's more violent, more stylized, more over the top, has better controls, more unique bosses...I just don't understand it at all. He says MadWorld is childish and immature and then you watch his Saints Row 2 review and he says how much he likes it because of how mindless, crazy and childly fun it is.
Yahtzee's biggest complaint with the game he outright stated at the end; it's on the Wii. Seriously? What the hell kind of a complaint is that? The Wii may be the weakest system this generation in terms of graphics and titles, but is that supposed to be some kind of excuse to not make games for it or something? The whole premise of the game was to produce a super stylized, over the top, entertaining blood fest where you get to use motions to feel more involved in the insane action. The whole purpose would be lost on any other console.
If you own a Wii and you don't see the incredible amount of exaggeration in Yahtzee's statement that you can eat a whole bowl of...whatever it was...in the time that it takes for the Wii to read a motion with the remote, then you're just being silly. In MadWorld especially the Wiimote's motions feel very responsive (except in some cases where you need to make a quick motion with the remote to accomplish one of the power struggles with bosses, those can be a *****).
From the beginning I could not understand how people could look at the screenshots and videos for this game and wonder what is happening when the black and white color scheme is pulled of so well. I'll admit sometimes I'd be brutalizing an enemy and would run off to grab an item to stab him in the eye with and then I'd turn around and lose him, but this was rare and aside from that it wasn't confusing at all.
The only two things that even made me go, "heh, that's true" was when he mentioned the strategy used for taking down bosses and the whole idea of the spectacle fighter, but even this was entirely right. He entirely left out the boss power struggles that mix up the battles and he also didn't mention that the game has a hard mode which, as it implies, is harder. Much harder.
I don't understand how Yahtzee could take a super flawed game like No More Heroes (which I also enjoyed) and say that he really liked it because it was different when really MadWorld is more or less No More Heroes but 10 times better. It stands out from the rest of the crowd 10 times more, it's more violent, more stylized, more over the top, has better controls, more unique bosses...I just don't understand it at all. He says MadWorld is childish and immature and then you watch his Saints Row 2 review and he says how much he likes it because of how mindless, crazy and childly fun it is.
Oh, i actually really don't care about "hardcore" or "casual", they are just labels that hardly describe well something. Not to mention i don't care about Gears of War D:Evan Waters said:
Yes, it's an accesible way for many people to play games, no doubt there, but here's the thing: all the people that started to play games thanks to this are really not playing any other games that are not these type of mini-games that use the wii mote. Put them a traditional controler and they may start to feel weird once more. In other words, it's a self contained market with no chance of expanding beyond that, Nintendo's way of "expanding" this is not by making a different type of game, is just by making a sequel to Wii sports, more of the same in other words. Other developers are jumping in the same bandwagon right there.
True to what you say about how stubborn some people are. I played wii sports and it is fun, but it's lasting appeal doesn't last that long. Also, it's way more fun to play it with more people, and not everyone has the time for that. Also, some of us truly just prefer to play games the traditional way, not to mention that many games build around a gimmick, in this case the use of the wii mote, sacrifice good gameplay for the sake of using this gimmick. If they really don't know how to put it for good use they should not use it at all.
And yes, Madworld is not the only non-sovelware title out there, but the fact that these titles are the very rare exception can't be denied. Don't blame others for pointing out this, blame Nintendo and other publishers for not caring about bring different games to the console. You also can't really blame some developers for ignoring the wii thanks to it's dated technology. Good graphics don't make a game good, but when the lack of proper tools end up breaking your game (Dead Rising for the Wii and it's limited ammout of enemies) then yeah, something is not right.
Hmm, I was leary of this as well, I thought it to be cool until the Wii logo in the corner had running away, screaming.
I much appreciate the Battle Royale references that have been in the last few reviews, a great novel in a great review.
By those standards, though, gaming stagnated long ago. People who buy the Wii for the casual minigame titles at least have a chance to try and like other types of games, so there's some expansion potential. Certainly more than the already established gamers who won't really expand through any means short of cellular division.ElTigreNegro said:
I don't get it- why is it important or even inherently desirable that they move on to games with traditional controllers? The market is grown nonetheless, and more people are playing and having fun.ElTigreNegro said:
GAAAAAAAAAAH!!
Why Yahtzee!? Why don't you ever give the Wii a chance. Sure it doesn't bend over backwards to tell you how great it's graphics are and how very serious it is (Oh look another grainy brown hellscape for me to grunt across as yet another space marine) but just because the Wii doesn't feel like catering to you and the "GAMEZ R SERIOUS BIZNESS" crowd that you oh so love.
The Wii is just as good as the other two systems. I suspect you have never actually touched a wii-mote for more than seven seconds before denouncing it a travesty against your preconceived notions and then never again giving it a chance. I have never experienced the problems you speak of. I have never found the controls to not register movements. I have never found them to be difficult or unintuitive.
I don't know what your problem is. But you should seriously bend the fuck over and remove the PS3 from your rectum before the pent up bullshit causes your head to explode!
Why Yahtzee!? Why don't you ever give the Wii a chance. Sure it doesn't bend over backwards to tell you how great it's graphics are and how very serious it is (Oh look another grainy brown hellscape for me to grunt across as yet another space marine) but just because the Wii doesn't feel like catering to you and the "GAMEZ R SERIOUS BIZNESS" crowd that you oh so love.
The Wii is just as good as the other two systems. I suspect you have never actually touched a wii-mote for more than seven seconds before denouncing it a travesty against your preconceived notions and then never again giving it a chance. I have never experienced the problems you speak of. I have never found the controls to not register movements. I have never found them to be difficult or unintuitive.
I don't know what your problem is. But you should seriously bend the fuck over and remove the PS3 from your rectum before the pent up bullshit causes your head to explode!
So why do you own one?DRUNK_CANADIAN said:
And this "REAL gamers" bull is precisely what I'm talking about. You are not more entitled to your opinion because you can play Kaizo Mario World without saves or were one of the beta testers for the Atari 2600 or because your PC rig is bigger than anyone else's. We are all people playing games where we pretend to be spacemen and plumbers and the world's least subtle Black Ops officers, and the Wii's failure to target you will not result in Nintendo going bankrupt no matter how much you wish it so. The Wii is an objective success and though you can gripe that it doesn't have the best game library or variety of genres or that the motion sensing could be improved (Nintendo seems to even agree with you on that, what with "Motion Plus"), trying to claim that it's the worst thing since the Jaguar is just your sense of entitlement showing.