Zero Punctuation: Mailbag Showdown

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Stammetje91

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I loved the way he turned them down and corrected their spelling mistakes! In your face, "people who wrote Yahtzee a letter". :p
 

KryptoAcid

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I love most of the games that are bashed by Yahtzee, but it is so funny to see them torn up and then back down. GO YAHTZEE!!!!!!
 

Vault Citizen

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tobyornottoby said:
woah is this going to get more replies than the smash bros review itself :eek:

heh bring in the page views!

just one thing: starting a line with 'And' is a style issue. Don't mark that one as false. In a lot of cases, it just reads nice ^^
I disagree. The whole function of the word and is to connect different parts of a sentence together. The point of a full stop is to end a sentence and everything after that is a whole new sentence. By having a line that has goes '.and' your both disconnecting and trying to connect two different sentences at the same time

and wow, I really do have too much time on my hands. Oh well, it could be worse.
 

ibigdevil

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TO reply in a way most will think i am 14 and on glue, i have yet to find a problem with a review yet. Yahtzee as found a way to review in an adult (big boy with car) way, that hits almost every nail on the head, and pulling the rusted penis nails out for shitty points and the normal crap gamers hate. I have been playing games for a while now, and i hate ( with lots and lots of rage ) the way most games have been going in the past few years. Halo, was at one time, my favortie game of all times. But only the frist one, the 2nd and 3rd were loads of muiltplayer crap. Yahtzee seemed to be one of only to pull this out, and step on that point, as well as many others.
I do also beleive that just becase the holyness of Yahtzee does not like or does, will still not drive me to buy or burn a game on his review alone, but will help in makeing me laugh a bit.
 

laikenf

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Well since people on this board are so good at grammar (and at correcting it as well) I can't help but wish I had some Zero Punctuation in my school years; my english would've been so fluid by now that I probably would've become a renowned philologist or maybe dedicated my life to wrighting novels or something.
 

Melty Blood

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The brawl review was two weeks ago. Two fucking weeks ago. If you're still discussing it, or the mentioned Brawl fan to yahtzee fanboy ratio, well, I'm not going to blatantly call you fanboys (or girls; Fanpersonism is an equal oppertunity employer), but, COME ON.
 

Gutterpunk

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Melty Blood said:
The brawl review was two weeks ago. Two fucking weeks ago. If you're still discussing it, or the mentioned Brawl fan to yahtzee fanboy ratio, well, I'm not going to blatantly call you fanboys (or girls; Fanpersonism is an equal oppertunity employer), but, COME ON.
Seeing as *yesterday's* review was mostly about SSBM and that review, I don't see how it's irrelevant to talk about it.

That said, Wii fanboys do come out as major twats in this thread. The sad thing is that they don't realize that people who like Yatzee's reviews are mostly adults who went through a fanboys stage earlier in their lives and they know how ridiculous and pointless it is to be one.

Yatzee said it best in his review when he explained that, as a big corporation with millions in marketing money, Nintendo do not need defending and doesn't care if anyone does it, and yet they blast his opinions by doing the exact same thing that he said they would do.
 

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Gutterpunk said:
Yatzee said it best in his review when he explained that, as a big corporation with millions in marketing money, Nintendo do not need defending and doesn't care if anyone does it, and yet they blast his opinions by doing the exact same thing that he said they would do.
Yep, the irony is HILARIOUS! :D
 

Tyrannus Argumentum

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Gutterpunk said:
That said, Wii fanboys do come out as major twats in this thread. The sad thing is that they don't realize that people who like Yatzee's reviews are mostly adults who went through a fanboys stage earlier in their lives and they know how ridiculous and pointless it is to be one.

Yatzee said it best in his review when he explained that, as a big corporation with millions in marketing money, Nintendo do not need defending and doesn't care if anyone does it, and yet they blast his opinions by doing the exact same thing that he said they would do.
This is something I asked last page. I wonder what it is that provoke people to respond, and quite harshly, to something that is merely there for an individual's potential entertainment?

If we know that not everyone will like something, and that games and their fun are subjective, then why some human beings take it as a personal insult and lash out? I would really love to know the reasons behind this. I don't think it can be summed up as "immature fanbois".
 

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Yahtzee, I just have to say it: even though you didn't review anything, this is definately your best work. I had to pause after you stopped reading that last letter because I couldn't hear the rest of the video I was laughing so hard. SSBB was a decent game though I think, but that doesn't make what you said about it wrong. I agree with you almost completley. Keep up the good work man.
 

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Well played sir well played. ^^

I rail against lacking quality in the industry,on whole my drool is lacking, still i shall point out if Bioshcoks AI was not consoletard retarded I could have have gave it a personal score above a 6.

And despite popular opinion otherwise a 5 not a 7 is still average.
 

Jedted

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"i'm not a fanboy..........YES YOU ARE!!"

Brilliant! Ya really gave those SSBB fanboys what they deserve. :)
 

Uszi

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Tyrannus Argumentum said:
(1). For those of you who "did not like the review", do you believe, at some level, that you felt it was a personal attack?
I think that generally few people feel attacked by Yahtzee. Even when Yahtzee specifically attacks the fan boys, I feel like most of them just sort of shrug it off. They know when they begin watching that they're in for a satire, perhaps of themselves. At least, that's how I approach it.

What happens, though, is that when you start reading the comments, you are definitely attacked by other people on the thread. This would have to do with the polarizing affect of strong opinions on the net -- if I love SSBB, and you happen to only mildly dislike it, then you will need to scream about how much you hate SSBB in order to be heard over my affectionate croonings for the game. Couple that with the fact that many people take a criticism of a game they love as some sort of criticism as a person, AND with the anonymity of attacking someone over the internet, and you have a multi-step, complex recipe for a 1000 reply thread.

(2). If Y is simply preaching to the choir, and you were one of the ones who responded negatively to this piece, why did you feel the need to respond?
I agree entirely with the huge paragraph block that followed your question. Except I still feel like the person who exasperates all the attacks is not Yahtzee, but instead people within the thread on both side. Yahtzee is generally only mentioned in a sort of abstract context, and the comments are specifically directed at an opponent within the thread and not at Yahtzee.

1. How does one's admittedly-biased opinion really affect the opinion of a game? If entertainment is truly subjective, how can we fault someone for coming up with a negative review?
We can't. But people tend to step down several maturity levels whenever they log on to the net, and because they can do whatever they want anonymously, they tend to go a bit crazy. So it doesn't really matter to me if you find me illogical, immature, etc, because the second I close this browser window you cease to exist.

2. Why is cherry-picking e-mail responses for the purpose of entertainment "wrong"? He's entertaining his intended audience. That's his job. Nintendo's job is to profit from entertainment, and thus will do what they can to appeal to their intended audience, so would they not be guilty of the same practice? Is Nintendo going to intentionally put in bad things in their game that would alienate their audience?
A case of mistaking an attempt to entertain with something else, I feel. People see it as wrong because they misperceive it as some sort of organized attack on their opinion, as opposed to the satire that it really is. And attacking opinions is 'totally cool' on the internet. It's pretty much 90% of the activity on forums and blogs.

Again, thank you all for the data, and thank you in advance to those who answer my questions. I have many more, but I figure I'll see what kind of responses happen from here on out before posting the next ones.
Eh, I realized after the second question that you're not really asking questions of anyone at all, but instead framing your argument in the form of questions. But I had already started answering them, so here we are.
 

ComradeJim270

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I think the SSBB review in question was an awful review (though still good comedy), but I can't help but laugh at this. I could come up with much better reasons why the review in question was trash than any of the cretins who provided the material for this installment of ZP could probably manage. Well done.

I am also extremely pleased that Mr. Croshaw shares my dislike of review scores. Maybe a few among the unwashed masses will now see the wisdom in this view.
 

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Nikolita said:
Dalamard said:
Zero Puntuation is the only place ware i can get reviews that are not complete bullshit.
I still remember when FF XII came out when I WAS a FF fanboy, And then 24 hours later I put it in the trash bin. My point being that even fanboys need to under stand that there are limits to what you can let "The Man" get away whith.

I happen to love FFXII. :) If you didn't like it, then that's your loss. Not everyone liked it. I thought it was great.

But yes, killer reviews. I tune in each week, and my boyfriend (who knows a bit more about games than I do) often agrees with most of what Yahtzee says.
The thing that bothered me the most was the fact the some one gave it a perfect score, I would have given it a 4! the main attracting element of final fantasy was gone;
and don't get me wrong here, but the thing is that there was nothing which the review told me why the game deserved A "10/10".

But it was fun taking a drink each time some one said "nethesite"

I mean I fell a sleap over that game 2 times in one day.

I felt like i was playing Star Wars without the light saber fighting.