Zero Punctuation: Metroid Other M

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mr_rubino

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BlueInkAlchemist said:
So the best way to enjoy a game that's trying not to be an FPS is to play an FPS? Huh.

When was Samus established as having a "bold, independent spirit"? I don't remember that being mentioned at all in any of the games other than the fact that you, the player, are controlling her and she's completely alone. She blindly followed our orders even if it meant smacking into a wall repeatedly when our phones rang or falling into an acid pit when we mis-judged a jump she probably could have handled were she in control of her own body.

This sounds so much like so many other arguments against Other M I'm wondering if Yahtzee either got bored with the ZP enterprise now that his novel's out or has just been too busy to form salient points that he's cribbed notes from other sources. Not that I myself would ever do such a thing [http://gameoverthinker.blogspot.com/2010/09/episode-40-heavens-to-metroid.html].

Funny? Yes. Accurate? No idea. I'm too poor to own a Wii. But I find myself kinda confused by all of the hatred. Maybe it's just me.
Remember folks, when everyone is making the same arguments against the game, that just makes them all the wrong-er. Bonus points for blurring the line between fantasy and reality by saying she's not been established as a bold, independent person because she's merely a puppet of the player. May as well have just said "I concede".

EDIT: Really though, despite his thankful harping on the story for over half the video, Yahtzee completely managed to downplay what a submissive, panicky, well... "chick" she became. So much for those of us who saw the Ellen Ripley expy in her from Day One. Hey, Ripley had a motherhood character arc too, didn't she? You'd almost think that's what the baby metroid was supposed to remind us of. (Naturally, that was handled better even without Samus talking.)
 

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Motakikurushi said:
And with that, the last dying embers of the Wii have been snuffed out.
Lol no.
The majority of Reviewers like Other M.
http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii/metroid-other-m
And many people still do too.
And even with OM there are plenty of Amazing games keeping the Wii alive.
And there are plenty more coming out.

The Wii is far from dead IMO.
But..that is just my Opinion.
 

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Nitrokitty said:
So I looked up who did Samus's voice for the Metroid Prime series, even limited as it was to grunts when she gets hit, and I found out who it was.

JENNIFER MOTHER FUCKING HALE!
WHHHAATTT! They ditched an amazing VA who did Fem-Shep among other great voices for the robot we got in OM?
 

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Yeah, I did saw this one coming. But Yahtzee gave it a very fair review, and I liked it a lot. Very funny, very enjoyable, good work man.

Also, should we be expecting a review of Metroid Prime when you run out of games to review in summer next year?
 

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Last time that I can remember Brian Blessed in a video game was Viking: Battle for Asgard, which was apparent from the very start... no one can miss that booming voice.

Anyone who watches The Spoony Experiment, did you also feel the character of Samus had been "raped"?
 

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I assumed the game wasn't named after anything in particular but rather Team Ninja trying to be clever again (Other M? M Other? Eh? Eh?)

Gigaguy64 said:
Jaredin said:
Heh...and this is what happenes when you outsource what was a respectable francise heh
Not really....
Nintendo, namely Sakamoto, had full control over almost every aspect of the game.

Team Ninja only did the Art Style, Animation, and 3d Modeling.
If I remember correctly the same Sakamoto said in an interview that he was so moved by the game's story that he cried. I think we can remove him from the "knows quality" part of our Venn diagrams.
 

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Great review.

Say, I wonder why Pokemon FireRed version was in that stack of games at the beginning. Especially since Portal was also in that pile.
 

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Zeetchmen said:
Nitrokitty said:
So I looked up who did Samus's voice for the Metroid Prime series, even limited as it was to grunts when she gets hit, and I found out who it was.

JENNIFER MOTHER FUCKING HALE!
WHHHAATTT! They ditched an amazing VA who did Fem-Shep among other great voices for the robot we got in OM?
Yet another reason for me to never touch this game. (Coincidentally, I'm currently getting into Mass Effect- I bet Hale could have pulled Other M's script off, even if it is truly as bad as I've heard it is. Some fantastic work out of her :D)

... and yeah, after hearing some of the voice work? The little cries of pain we got in Prime far outstrip this... ... there's no word for it.
 

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My God when was Samus such a pussy. Team ninja sure fucked up on this game. Way to screw up yet again. Go and make us a new Dead or Alive game already.
 

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Zudarkness said:
My God when was Samus such a pussy. Team ninja sure fucked up on this game. Way to screw up yet again. Go and make us a new Dead or Alive game already.
*facepalm*
Team Ninja had NOTHING TO DO with Samus as a character.
They only worked on her Design and the games 3d modeling.

Wanna blame someone?
Blame Nintendo, namely Sakamoto.
 

AngelicSven

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Next up, Link will not be a silent protagonist any longer and he will be whiny and emo.
I really wouldn't be surprised if that happened.
 

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AngelicSven said:
Next up, Link will not be a silent protagonist any longer and he will be whiny and emo.
I really wouldn't be surprised if that happened.
No, I don't think they'll turn Link into Cloud.

Maybe if they made him like Zidane, but not Cloud.
 

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Keep whoring out the MovieBob vid, peeps. The frist (second?) commenter demolished it completely and exposed it for what it was: weak straw men dressed up in pristine white knight armor.
 

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GloatingSwine said:
epsilon246 said:
As a result of believing he was dead she was not ready to fight him and suffered an attack.
Why should Samus possibly believe that Ridley is dead? She's beat his ass down four times now and yet he keeps coming back. It's more of a surprise when Ridley doesn't turn up yet again. Quite frankly by now it should be him that suffers PTSD. The Space Pirates are already piss scared of Samus and shit a collective brick whenever she shows up. (seen in the scannable logs in the Prime games)
He was on a planet WHEN IT BLEW UP! He was deader than dead by this point, he was only still alive through federation cloning.
 

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AngelicSven said:
Next up, Link will not be a silent protagonist any longer and he will be whiny and emo.
I really wouldn't be surprised if that happened.
Well he isnt Whiny and Emo....but he was given character...
 

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Aiddon said:
epsilon246 said:
The stronger emphasis on story was done to appeal to Japanese gamers, thus has Japanese ethics. Samus' respect for Adam comes from the Japanese having a lot of respect for their elders. Her dogged devotion to him is ordinary by Japanese standards, where devotion to your superiors is a fact of life. Calling the game out on these is culturally insensitive.
On a side note; it has been established that Samus was mentally traumatised as a child, given what happened to her why is anyone surprised she has issues?
With reference to the Ridley scene, Samus has ptsd related to Ridley. As a result of believing he was dead she was not ready to fight him and suffered an attack. An attack that is actually a fairly accurate presentation of ptsd. Personally I believe calling this out to be extremely insensitive to real people in real combat situations with ptsd.
I enjoyed playing this game and I agree that Samus' voice actor was wooden as all heck, but it was still fun to play.
I don't think it was actually designed to appeal specifically to the Japanese as Nintendo has never really been about keeping things to one culture. However, as the writer for the game WAS Sakamoto, let's face it, people from Japan are going to write in a way synonymous with Japanese culture as it's JUST HOW THEY ARE. I am getting more than a little sick of comments about the Japanese; it's starting to get outright RACIST.

And another thing I'd like to bring up is military protocol. Yeah, Samus may not be part of the army anymore, but the GF has jurisdiction over the Bottle Ship and they have EVERY right to refuse her access if they see fit. Adam allows her to participate as long as she follows orders which SOLDIERS HAVE TO DO. When you're in the armed forces you obey your CO, you carry out orders, and you don't make your problems the problems of others.
I forget were I read it but the story really was trying to appeal to japanese gamers who tendprefer story heavy linear games more to open sandboxes and mission based shooters we westerners tend to prefer.

As for your second comment you raise some good points. Though I'd like to add that Adam is Samus's client; Samus is obeying the wishes of her client, like a profecional should
 

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luckey said:
sorry yahtzee, bob's argument makes more sense to me in this case then your does, so it looks like i'm gonna get this one
http://screwattack.com/videos/TGO-Episode-40-Heavens-to-Metroid
Oh, you mean the argument that attempts to validate a bullshit fan theory of Samus having post traumatic stress disorder? So I guess you'd prefer excusing away bad writing than holding the shit writer accountable for it?

Thanks for not having a spine, kiddo.
 

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CriticalQuit said:
AngelicSven said:
Next up, Link will not be a silent protagonist any longer and he will be whiny and emo.
I really wouldn't be surprised if that happened.
No, I don't think they'll turn Link into Cloud.

Maybe if they made him like Zidane, but not Cloud.
Well, I think Cloud's emoness is a little blown out of proportion because he's one of the first emoey characters. Like I find Kratos and more recent JRPG characters extremely more emotional.
Personally, 'd love if he ended up happy-go-lucky like Zidane but the Zelda series has a lot of serious moments so I don't know. I'd much like him to stay quiet.

Gigaguy64 said:
AngelicSven said:
Next up, Link will not be a silent protagonist any longer and he will be whiny and emo.
I really wouldn't be surprised if that happened.
Well he isnt Whiny and Emo....but he was given character...
Most like to pretend Zelda 2 never happened. :/