Zero Punctuation: Metroid Prime Federation Force

[Hawki]

I'm not alone! There are other sane Sonic fans! PRAISE THE SUN! (/overdramatization)

Seriously, though, there are way too few of us. XD

https://www.fanfiction.net/game/Sonic-the-Hedgehog/

http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Sonic_News_Network

https://www.sonicstadium.org/

DeviantArt in of itself (shudders)

The Sonic fanbase is hardly small. Maybe on this site, but, yeah. And I say that who hasn't played a Sonic game since Rush Adventure, but still follows the speedster to varying degrees.

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very few games can deliver on the sheer quality of Metroid games,

You just went full fanboy. Never go full fanboy. Especially not in a series that has produced installments like Hunters.

And admittedly Metroid's never been a big franchise for me in terms of level of investment, but that's my own bias.

 

[Erttheking]

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*Sigh* I would've thought that my previous post would've made my distaste for Hunters clear. I didn't think I would have to clarify it a second time. And I'm not sorry, I've not played many game series that impact me the way the Prime Trilogy has. So please. No fanboy labels.

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

The Sonic fanbase is hardly small. Maybe on this site, but, yeah. And I say that who hasn't played a Sonic game since Rush Adventure, but still follows the speedster to varying degrees.

ummm...Please note the keyword "sane" Sonic fans. XD Most of the ones I've met are either Obsessive Classic-ists, Adventure Fanboys, over the top Fanfic nutters, or some weird variant thereof. I mean, there ARE indeed plenty of exceptions but... XD

 

[Transdude1996]

I'm not alone! There are other sane Sonic fans! PRAISE THE SUN! (/overdramatization)

Seriously, though, there are way too few of us. XD

https://www.fanfiction.net/game/Sonic-the-Hedgehog/

http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Sonic_News_Network

https://www.sonicstadium.org/

DeviantArt in of itself (shudders)

The Sonic fanbase is hardly small. Maybe on this site, but, yeah. And I say that who hasn't played a Sonic game since Rush Adventure, but still follows the speedster to varying degrees.

*Clicks links*
*Sees Litter Mermaid Sonic Version and Shadow and the Snow Queen*

Yeah...we're the model of a perfect fanbase.

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very few games can deliver on the sheer quality of Metroid games,

You just went full fanboy. Never go full fanboy. Especially not in a series that has produced installments like Hunters.

And admittedly Metroid's never been a big franchise for me in terms of level of investment, but that's my own bias.

That's because it really hasn't been that big. None of the games in Nintendo's Sci-Fi Trinity (Star Fox, F-Zero, Metroid) have really received much attention aside from their appearance in Smash Bros.. When you really square up the sales of each of the games and compare it to other Nintendo franchises, they're lower mid-level as far as attention received.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

Oh hey, the game I would have bought if it featured Samus missions or an overarching story coming out of a mission like usual. Prime Hunters wasn't great but I still liked it. If I'm not Samus, I'm pretty un-inspired to be in the Metroid universe for the most part... I mean, sure, if a good alternative character was around maybe but not a random Federation bloke doing his day job...

 

[Hawki]

The Sonic fanbase is hardly small. Maybe on this site, but, yeah. And I say that who hasn't played a Sonic game since Rush Adventure, but still follows the speedster to varying degrees.

ummm...Please note the keyword "sane" Sonic fans. XD Most of the ones I've met are either Obsessive Classic-ists, Adventure Fanboys, over the top Fanfic nutters, or some weird variant thereof. I mean, there ARE indeed plenty of exceptions but... XD

Well, I guess that I'll call myself an Adventure fanboy, in as much that I think that the Adventure games are quite good overall (and Heroes), and that the 3D games only started going askew with Shadow. Also written plenty of Sonic fanfic, but I will say in my defence that I've never gone down the route of...well...y'know...

(Seriously, how did AmyxShadow become a 'thing?' And why the hell are people so uncreative with OCs that it's always another bloody hedgehog? Where's my reptile and amphibian OCs ya bastards?!)

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*Sigh* I would've thought that my previous post would've made my distaste for Hunters clear. I didn't think I would have to clarify it a second time. And I'm not sorry, I've not played many game series that impact me the way the Prime Trilogy has. So please. No fanboy labels.

I know, which highlights the contradiction in your post. "The sheer quality of Metroid games." So either they all conform to this quality, or they don't, and therefore, "sheer quality" can't apply. Also, having played Metroid Prime, I can't back up the "shear quality" in the scope of personal experience, but that's beside the point.

Yes, this is nitpicking, but arguing that "X is good" without backing it up is argument by assertion.

 

[Erttheking]

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Oh for the love of Christ, people make generalizations like this when they talk all the time. When people say "I like Fire Emblem" they don't instantly include tiny little things like "Except for this one game in the franchise that's kind of weak." And you didn't like a game that I did. uh. Ok?

I was stating my goddamn viewpoint on the series as contrary to someone who thought they should all go die. Someone who was derailing the argument in doing so by the way.

 

[KyuubiNoKitsune-Hime]

As far as I know, op4 eventually gave birth to Counter-Strike, so that's that.

Counter Strike, like Team Fortress, is a mod that originated in Quake. Counter Strike was actually ripped off from the original FireArms mod for Quake as well. FireArms and Counter Strike were two of the first FPS entries to have weapon reloading, which is something the original Half-Life adopted from those mods. So no, an expansion pack that came after Counter Strike's release as a Half-Life mod did not inspire the mod that predates the expansion pack.

 

[chadachada123]

Oh boy. And Yahtzee didn't even get to the ending. It's really not much of a surprise, given Nintendo's recent track record of demolishing all we hold dear.

Spoiler

The final boss is Samus. Seriously.

 

[rgrekejin]

Yes thank you Yahtzee for shitting all over this terrible excuse for a Metroid game, another bad thing about this game is the graphics look horribly outdated, seriously they look like they could've been on the regular DS(Metroid Prime Hunters looked better)

Having recently replayed Metroid Prime: Hunters, please let me assure you that no, it really, really didn't.

 

[Allan Foe]

Maybe after all the people being pissed off as how Samus was portrayed in Other M Nintendo just preferred to not show her so no one could complain about that...

Considering how out of touch they are with the established fanbases for their games, it's quite possible. And of course the end result of such a misguided attempt to make people forget about their misstep would be everybody mentioning Other M and Nintendo's mismanagement of the franchise whenever the topic of Metroid comes up.

 

[Erttheking]

Maybe after all the people being pissed off as how Samus was portrayed in Other M Nintendo just preferred to not show her so no one could complain about that...

Considering how out of touch they are with the established fanbases for their games, it's quite possible. And of course the end result of such a misguided attempt to make people forget about their misstep would be everybody mentioning Other M and Nintendo's mismanagement of the franchise whenever the topic of Metroid comes up.

And this is another reason why Metroid needs to die. It's turning gamers into tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists because only such people would ever think that was the intention.

Or maybe there's the much more simple explanation that Nintendo is fucking stupid. No tin-foil on my head, yet I still think sticker star was awful.

 

[Transdude1996]

Maybe after all the people being pissed off as how Samus was portrayed in Other M Nintendo just preferred to not show her so no one could complain about that...

Considering how out of touch they are with the established fanbases for their games, it's quite possible. And of course the end result of such a misguided attempt to make people forget about their misstep would be everybody mentioning Other M and Nintendo's mismanagement of the franchise whenever the topic of Metroid comes up.

And this is another reason why Metroid needs to die. It's turning gamers into tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists because only such people would ever think that was the intention.

Or maybe there's the much more simple explanation that Nintendo is fucking stupid. No tin-foil on my head, yet I still think sticker star was awful.

I'm not sure if Japanese companies are still this way a decade later, but...

It's not that their stupid. It's just that they're willingly ignorant about how the Western market works differently when compared to the Eastern market. This is misunderstanding resulted in the biggest mistake Sega ever made, which eventually caused them to drop out of the console race, and Nintendo only cheated death because of them introducing a new gaming demographic with the Wii.

Though, admittedly, Western companies are guilty of this to. Need to look no further than the Xbox as an example (Though, strangely enough, it is considered the "hardcore" console over there).

 

[KoudelkaMorgan]

I was kind of curious if they would make this game into something interesting, and they could have easily done that. They could have essentially had you play as the Metroid Universe equivalent of Star Wars clonetrooper special forces squads going around the galaxy fighting space pirates and aggressive wildlife. You'd rescue survivors, protect colonies, do scouting missions, etc. Maybe it played like Xcom, or Valkyria Chronicals. Maybe it played like Resistance or Halo. Hell it could have been Metroid:Battlefront and let you play as literally every Metroid character or monster in the series as well as introduce new ones.

It could have been THE flagship FPS for people not into Splatoon on the Wii U and while not a traditional Metroid game it could have been really fun as long as the gamepad screen was used in a good way instead of like in the new Star Fox. Hell even the football mini game could have been an alternative to Rocket League on consoles.

Instead they made this, on the 3DS. While I can't say I've played it, I can see that the prevailing assessment is less than positive.

Personally I'm happy with the GOOD games we already have. My favorites are Zero Mission, Super, Prime 1, and Prime 2.

I like Fusion, but given that it kind of painted the narrative into what has become a dead end, and that it led to the abOMination that makes the good ones non-canon I think I can safely leave it out of the top tier.

The other games are all good, except Hunters which I don't remember much of but do remember it having terrible controls and graphics.

These days games like Song of the Deep, Oceanhorn, Xeodrifter, Steamworld Dig, Fairune, and Axiom Verge take the place of equivalent Nintendo franchise installments as I think the last game of theirs I got was a Link Between Worlds and before that it was probably Other M.

 

[Allan Foe]

Maybe after all the people being pissed off as how Samus was portrayed in Other M Nintendo just preferred to not show her so no one could complain about that...

Considering how out of touch they are with the established fanbases for their games, it's quite possible. And of course the end result of such a misguided attempt to make people forget about their misstep would be everybody mentioning Other M and Nintendo's mismanagement of the franchise whenever the topic of Metroid comes up.

And this is another reason why Metroid needs to die. It's turning gamers into tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorists because only such people would ever think that was the intention.

Pardon me, I should have used the universal caveat of "allegedly" before making that suggestion. The word "Metroid" allegedly does not exert some sort of magical conspiracy field that makes people go on wild guessing sprees, it's just what allegedly happens when there's a vacuum of information from the official source.

But if you are absolutely convinced that "Metroid" is allegedly to blame for all discontent in the gaming community and all of the annoyance ever expressed towards Nintendo in particular, I am afraid there's no hope for us, when it comes to the prospects of being rid of this vile menace! The foolish masses continue to perpetuate the term metroidvainia, the foolisher fans continue to make modifications of the originals and the foolishest indie developers never cease to make Metroid-likes! The World and consequently Nintendo are doomed because we couldn't do the right thing [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKxr2PJ06Y4]. I weep for us.

 

[Neurotic Void Melody]

Heh! Metroid does rocket league. That's hilarious. Though rocket league itself now has F2P mechanics added with lockboxes and fucking keys of all things. How long after release is this shit allowed to go unnoticed? "Oh look, the game awarded me a chest! Now let's see what's inside...wait...I can't open it? I need to pay money for the keys?? You absolute fucking fucks!!"

 

[Valkrex]

Oh boy. And Yahtzee didn't even get to the ending. It's really not much of a surprise, given Nintendo's recent track record of demolishing all we hold dear.

Spoiler

The final boss is Samus. Seriously.

Oh my fucking god... just when I thought Nintendo could sink no lower. This is some SERIOUS bullshit. Thanks Nintendo for taking a massive dump all over one of my favorite franchises and characters.

 

[Bedinsis]

I'm not sure if Japanese companies are still this way a decade later, but...

It's not that they're stupid. It's just that they're willingly ignorant about how the Western market works differently when compared to the Eastern market. This misunderstanding resulted in the biggest mistake Sega ever made, which eventually caused them to drop out of the console race, and Nintendo only cheated death because of them introducing a new gaming demographic with the Wii.

Though, admittedly, Western companies are guilty of this to. Need to look no further than the Xbox as an example (Though, strangely enough, it is considered the "hardcore" console over there).

What mistake of Sega's would that be? The rushed launch of the Saturn or the well regarded Dreamcast that nobody bought?

I'm curious what you're getting at, and how it regards to a difference in culture between Japan and the Western world.

 

[Sheo_Dagana]

I dunno, Yahtzee. Even the Nintendrones have been pretty annoyed at this title existence, and the only thing that will come of the bad reviews are feelings of vindication. Its pretty much the one time Yahtzee gets to review a Nintendo game and not get called out as someone that just hates the company. Seems like only one, maybe two people have brought up that "grudge" so far in this thread. I am skeptical, however, that anything will come of it, because while a lot of people are annoyed with this game, plenty of people are still piling aboard the Breath of the Wild hype-train.

 

[Thanatos2k]

Your BS sarcasm is not convincing me. If anything, you just proved that several companies have taken Metroid's formula and done it better than Metroid itself. What does Metroid still have to offer after all of that?

I dunno, the METROID FORMULA? It's almost like lots of people are making Metroidvania games because the people that SHOULD be making them (Nintendo, Konami) refuse to do so for some reason. And despite their best efforts, even the best knockoffs haven't reached the peaks of Super Metroid. Not Shadow Complex, not Dust: An Elysian Tail, not Axiom Verge, not Ori and the Blind Forest, not Aquaria, and not Valdis Story.

People clearly want to play these kind of games, and Nintendo are buffoons for not knowing what their customers want. They've been on a roll with it really. They blew it with Metroid, they blew it with Star Fox, they blew it with Paper Mario, and they're about to blow it with Paper Mario again.