And you're one of those "all old games must be worse" people, clearly. Super Metroid absolutely holds up.LordTerminal said:
Zero Punctuation: Metroid Prime Federation Force
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It was the Saturn.Bedinsis said:
To keep the story as brief as possible, Sega of America was looked at as the poster child of the company after the Genesis' success in the West. Sega of Japan took resentment of this (Because the Genesis was a failure in Japan) and proceeded to ignore any talk coming from SoA. This began with the development of the Saturn all the way up to the last minute release of the console (Which SoA did everything they could to protest, but you can't do much 10 minutes 'till curtain).
As anyone could tell you, the Saturn bombed in America, but soared in Japan. By the time Dreamcast development began, and the company realized how much money they actually lost, SoJ did listen and talk with SoA, and they made the perfect console, until the PS2 was released.
It's a completely different thing to call others ignorant just because you disagree. Very arrogant behaviour. It's not like you have provided any strong evidence of anything in particular, and we already know you won't be able to so I would get off that high horse very quickly if I was you.LordTerminal said:
"First the sequels (to Metroid Prime) were kinda shit (refers to Metroid Prime 2 as an example)"
DAMN IT YATZHEE!!!
Metroid Prime 2 is the strongest and only good one of the Prime Sequals!!!
You should have used Prime 3 or Hunters. Don't bring down Prime 2 as shit.
DAMN IT YATZHEE!!!
Metroid Prime 2 is the strongest and only good one of the Prime Sequals!!!
You should have used Prime 3 or Hunters. Don't bring down Prime 2 as shit.
The only good thing I can say about Hunters, is that I like the designs of the other Hunters:Hawki said:
And I hope that possible Metroid game that Federation Force's ending implies that a new Metroid Prime game was being made with Sylux as the villain comes true.
Eh, I dunno, I kind of have to agree with his assessment. I loved Metroid Prime to death, but I couldn't even make myself finish Metroid Prime 2. Hunters was actually pretty good, once you got past the absolutely terrible control scheme. Seriously, what was it with Nintendo and making DS titles that you need three hands to play? Starfox Command was a pretty good game (and one of the few Starfox games with an actual unique story) crippled by similarly poor controls.Samtemdo8 said:
Ow, that hurt! I thought that was quality sarcasmLordTerminal said:
But let's not get carried away, I don't seek to start a flame war and I respect your opinion in regards to Metroid, as it is presented by Nintendo, being old boot. But I've not made an overt suggestion that other developers have superseded Metroid in my previous comment, my own opinion is that the original and its inspirations may co-exist in harmony. For example, some of the indie stuff like the excellent Metroid 2 remake, while not made by Nintendo themselves, borrows heavily from the last 2D Metroid games and is all the better for it. And from the look of the recently announced Zelda it seems that Nintendo does check out various modern videogame trends (survival games, for example), and if they took making another Metroid seriously we could expect their own update to the formula. Additionally, I am not sure if any other developers tried toying with Prime's mechanics -- that is still an open avenue for exploration. All that said, if you'd like to mention games or series that in your opinion make Metroid obsolete I'd gladly give them a go (where technically possible), or at least seek out playtrhough videos. For example, recent games with heavy Metroid inspiration that I myself played are Environmental Station Alpha (very much a "Metroid by any other name") and Ghost 1.0 (much Metroid-*vanier* than the last one, but still feels relevant to the formula). And while I've not played it yet, but seen it played, Axiom Verge ("H.R. Giger's Metroid") looks pretty fun. The listed titles are great entertainment, but I don't think any of them made me feel "Time to bury Metroid and dance on its grave!"
The thing about Prime 2 is that its Hard, as in almost Ninja Gaiden level hard.rgrekejin said:
The game was clearly made for people that are veterans of Prime 1 and other Metroid games. But that does not mean that overall gameplay is bad.
Its the first Metroid Game that uses unique world designs. I mean Torvus Bog and Sanctuary Fortress are huge examples. And the world is arguably the largest of the 3D games.
The enemy designs and especially the bosses are also increadibly, even better than Prime 1 at times.
And I like the improved features like the upgraded Scanning and especially Logbook where it has model viewers so you can see the monters and items you have scanned.
All in all I just find Prime 2 the only good one of the Prime Sequels because it clearly tried to expand on the gameplay of Prime 1.
Again the only crippling flaw is its difficulty because it was clearly made for the players that have played Prime 1 or long time Metroid players in general.
Heck I can rank them from difficulty:
Metroid: Zero Mission - Easiest Game ever
Metroid: Fusion: a bit more challeging with it getting alot harder at the end.
Prime 3: The easiest of the Prime games thanks to Hyper Mode.
AM2R: despite it being hard at times, after playing Fusion and Zero Mission the game can be a breeze.
Prime 1: The most balanced of the whole franchise.
Super Metroid: I find this game a bit difficult still, especially the Ridly fight and its mostly due to the controls not being as smooth as Zero Mission and AM2R.
Prime 2: The hardest and most challegeing especially trying to get 100% completion, Only for Metroid Veterans.
Original Metroid 1 and 2: Dated Bullshit that can make you cry.
I didn't realize the Prime series was considered, "Non-Canon." Why is it that Nintendo is being deliberately as stupid as Sega was in 2004 and still has a fan base on the internet? I imagine they'll move to pachinko like SNK and Konami and still be loved by the nostalgic blinded fans.
The thing with Sega and SNK is that both companies were bought out because they had racked up a huge amount of debt. However, it's nice to see both of them bouncing back into gaming after those weird years. In fact, SNK actually closed their pachislot division. [http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2015/11/02-1/snk-playmore-withdraws-from-pachislot-market]Hutzpah Chicken said:
As for Konami and Nintendo, they have no excuse.
*scratches head at the GameXplain video*
...Leaving aside the narrative aspect, that final boss just does not look like much fun.
On the plus side, seeing GameXplain again reminds me that maybe I should play Codename Steam again. I'm not done playing all the missions again on Hard, after all.
1) The gameplay is fun at first, but after a while it gets really stale as every mission starts to blend together. Not to mention you have to replay the opening bits every time you want a different story path.
2) Half the pilots aren't fun, especially anyone in a Cornerian Fighter, which you're guaranteed to see reasonably often, because Krystal. -_- Seriously. Low durability, meh engines, twin lasers and no lock on? There's mediocre and then there's just plain trash, and that ship is the latter.
3) The canon story route is completely awful. Like, some of the branches are fun ("Star Wolf handles everything!" "Slippy fucks off to save his world with his girlfriend!" "Falco misses out on everything!"), but the canon path you have to play through to GET those branches is just terrible. x_X
The whole plot is just Fox refusing to deal with his relationship issues he caused by acting stupid and out of character, then finally resolving those issues, then the resolution being undone in the epilogue for what felt like no reason whatsoever.
...Leaving aside the narrative aspect, that final boss just does not look like much fun.
On the plus side, seeing GameXplain again reminds me that maybe I should play Codename Steam again. I'm not done playing all the missions again on Hard, after all.
I disagree that AM2R is harder than Fusion. AM2R had some hard bits here and there, but Fusion...The Nightmare and Space-jump Spider still haunt me. I tried playing Fusion again a few years ago, and the Nightmare is just plain nuts. Am2R didn't have a boss anywhere NEAR that nasty.Samtemdo8 said:
Ugh. It was fun for a while, but honestly that game was crippled by three major things.rgrekejin said:
1) The gameplay is fun at first, but after a while it gets really stale as every mission starts to blend together. Not to mention you have to replay the opening bits every time you want a different story path.
2) Half the pilots aren't fun, especially anyone in a Cornerian Fighter, which you're guaranteed to see reasonably often, because Krystal. -_- Seriously. Low durability, meh engines, twin lasers and no lock on? There's mediocre and then there's just plain trash, and that ship is the latter.
3) The canon story route is completely awful. Like, some of the branches are fun ("Star Wolf handles everything!" "Slippy fucks off to save his world with his girlfriend!" "Falco misses out on everything!"), but the canon path you have to play through to GET those branches is just terrible. x_X
The whole plot is just Fox refusing to deal with his relationship issues he caused by acting stupid and out of character, then finally resolving those issues, then the resolution being undone in the epilogue for what felt like no reason whatsoever.
Considering that ODST was a lacklustre Halo game that focused on a squad of marines rather than its power-armoured protagonist, and considering the reception that Federation Force seems to have followed in its footsteps, I think they've replicated it quite well.ExileNZ said:
Given Yahtzee's personal preferences, AM2R is probably a game he enjoys.Piorn said:
Wait, what?rgrekejin said:
How was Star Fox's story unique? Maybe in its manner of delivery for its branching storylines, but it was stymied by repetitive missions, and an overall story that boils down to "the anglars (oh, don't you know they've been on Venom all this time) invade Lylat because...reasons." The one thing Command gave us was that it set up some potentially interesting plotlines (Marcus and Dash doing their own thing), but ones that Zero squandered by rebooting the series for a second time.
Because the game is great, and people have confirmed this for decades. The reason the word Metroid is in the genre called Metroidvania is because of Super Metroid, a game so good it defined a genre. At some point, you just have to chalk it up as some people have bad taste.LordTerminal said: