Zero Punctuation: Overlord 2
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Dr.Poisonfreak said:
Seriously?Freakout456 said:
This is something I never understand - you were thinking of trying the game out, but because Yahtzee, someone that sensationalizes poor points about a game and generally acts as though he hates everything for comedic effect says its bad, you won't try it...
That's pretty stupid...besides which the role of a critique is not to improve aspects of the game it is to criticise them...criticism is subjective, and going on about the bad points of the game without offering any form of suggestion as to how it could be improved helps nobody...
Agreed, I mean it would make sense to try and game if he LIKED it since thats very rare (reason why I looked into Saints Row 2), but if you went by his advice 110% you'd probably have a small game's library.D_987 said:
The best case of him trashing a good game with good advice was MGS4 (that had enough fanboys to defend, it Overlord 2 doesn't) because he pointed out that the plot would be confusing for those who aren't long time fans... thats advice to go by.
Since this sin't a mainstream game there won't be that many comment with most being "never heard of it" or "won't get it now" with the later most likely being said since this is probably the only review of Overlord 2 they'll read.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7VAhzPcZ-s
I find it very ironic that the Nazi reference was made at the end - almost as if he was pointing to this. Try listening to this embarrassingly bad copycat tosser and compare the video to Yahtzee's. It should serve as an effective test to determine whether you're exactly the kind of brainless dipshit Yahtzee constantly whines about (e. g. Mr. "Absolutely Brilliant Review As Always", etc.) or a person with inclinations of seeking truth and the capabilities of forming a distinct opinion. I'm rather curious as to what ratio this thread will have.
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I find it very ironic that the Nazi reference was made at the end - almost as if he was pointing to this. Try listening to this embarrassingly bad copycat tosser and compare the video to Yahtzee's. It should serve as an effective test to determine whether you're exactly the kind of brainless dipshit Yahtzee constantly whines about (e. g. Mr. "Absolutely Brilliant Review As Always", etc.) or a person with inclinations of seeking truth and the capabilities of forming a distinct opinion. I'm rather curious as to what ratio this thread will have.
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... Wait, you mean people take Yathzee's reviews word to word? Excuse me while I go laugh hysterically as I play the game.
Besides the dodgy sweep controls on the PC version the game quite entertaining. If anything unlike the first game this time around when it claims you do evil it's actually evil, not being a schoolyard bully. Frankly I like the "make everyone my *****" route you can take.
Besides the dodgy sweep controls on the PC version the game quite entertaining. If anything unlike the first game this time around when it claims you do evil it's actually evil, not being a schoolyard bully. Frankly I like the "make everyone my *****" route you can take.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7VAhzPcZ-s
I find the Nazi reference at the end very ironic - it's almost as if he pointed to this. These days, I honestly think he's pulling off the low quality as a sort of experiment to see just how much his fanatical asshole-licking followers can take. Have a look at this embarrassingly bad copycat tosser and compare the video to Yahtzee's. It'll serve as an effective test to determine whether you're exactly the sort of brainless dipshit Yahtzee constantly whines about (e. g. Mr. "Absolutely Brilliant Review As Always", etc.) or a person inclined to seek truth and with the capability of forming a distinct opinion for themselves. I'm rather curious as to what the ratio will be in this thread.
Oh wait.
I find the Nazi reference at the end very ironic - it's almost as if he pointed to this. These days, I honestly think he's pulling off the low quality as a sort of experiment to see just how much his fanatical asshole-licking followers can take. Have a look at this embarrassingly bad copycat tosser and compare the video to Yahtzee's. It'll serve as an effective test to determine whether you're exactly the sort of brainless dipshit Yahtzee constantly whines about (e. g. Mr. "Absolutely Brilliant Review As Always", etc.) or a person inclined to seek truth and with the capability of forming a distinct opinion for themselves. I'm rather curious as to what the ratio will be in this thread.
Oh wait.
I thought the first overlord's control issues were an artifact of the game being a poor Console to PC port, and I am not entirely surprised that the second overlord suffers from the same issue.
My main gripe about this review is; How does Yahtzee justify saying dickish simulators aren't fun when he gave fairly positive reviews to Infamous and Prototype? Especialy when he pointed out how enjoyable it was to act like a dick with the game play elements that actually required you to be a dick to advance the story. It just all seems so inconsistent.
I don't think Overlord was a particular impressive game, but saying the whole genera of "lets be the bad guy" dark humor games is a bad idea might discourage some truly great games from being made. Dungeon Keeper
My main gripe about this review is; How does Yahtzee justify saying dickish simulators aren't fun when he gave fairly positive reviews to Infamous and Prototype? Especialy when he pointed out how enjoyable it was to act like a dick with the game play elements that actually required you to be a dick to advance the story. It just all seems so inconsistent.
I don't think Overlord was a particular impressive game, but saying the whole genera of "lets be the bad guy" dark humor games is a bad idea might discourage some truly great games from being made. Dungeon Keeper
I thought Overlord II was fun and had a couple good laughs. I might even give the first one a try. I will agree that your minions control like ass and will add that the game is ridiculously short with no replay value whatsoever but it's still fun. Maybe I'm being too lenient considering I only rented it but whatever.
??? I really like the Overlord series, for me it's like Pikmin for Xbox 360, but mure fun, funnier, and with less annoying stuff. I was actually able to use strategy in it. Hell, I'll even look forward to Overlord 3! On console, of course, PC games always end up feeling like Microsoft Word.
I don't agree at all ... complaining about the similar look of the Overlord to Sauron is kinda stupit since Overlord is supposed to be a parody. And he didn't loose one word about the humor.
Still a fun review though
... btw. Evil Genious really is an amazing game.
Still a fun review though
... btw. Evil Genious really is an amazing game.
What a boring review.
Hey, let's not objectively say "some people who can overlook flaws could like it" "HATE, HATE, HATE".
Genius.
Overlord 2 is a flawed gem of a game and if you're willing to overlook the problems, numerous as they may be, you can have some fun. They should certainly make the third one open world and fix the clusterfuckian minion controls, though.
Hey, let's not objectively say "some people who can overlook flaws could like it" "HATE, HATE, HATE".
Genius.
Overlord 2 is a flawed gem of a game and if you're willing to overlook the problems, numerous as they may be, you can have some fun. They should certainly make the third one open world and fix the clusterfuckian minion controls, though.
I was kinda hoping he would have done a reveiw on the guy who did a reveiw of the Zero Punctuation level in Little Big Planet but this was pretty funny too. Good job Yahtzee, you're videos are my weekly dose of drugs.
Radical and the inFamous developers actually did what he said in previous videos, and this seemed a lot more critical than usual, so I wonder if this review is partly a test to see if Yahtzee can kill a game's sales, partly to see how much influence he really has in the gaming industry.
If you think that's a run-on sentence, try studying german.
If you think that's a run-on sentence, try studying german.
I dunno, overlord 2 seemed pretty funny from the demo i played, and it seems like humor is a pretty strong factor in it, for example a mission actually being "kill baby seals" i mean thats just evil! and I loved it for that, sure the fighting feels a little stiff, and the demo didnt require much "real" strategy should, oh i dont know, the ENJOYABILITY of the game come into play. I mean not every game has to make you study a guidebook just to be able to fight an enemy, its not like youd want to have to plan a super amazing strategy just to beat some super steroid squirrels, or a few armored soldier, no you wanna bash some things around, and maybe have a decent plan of attack for the rest of your "soldiers"
Steam is really good though, but sometimes pc controls can be...bad
Steam is really good though, but sometimes pc controls can be...bad
Wasn't expecting him to review this game but I guess theres not much out atm.
I liked the game, the controls on the 360 are a little easier imo but yeah the puzzle he was talking about was very irritating.
If this game was made with a mature rating and you got to do a lot more really evil stuff it would be better.
I liked the game, the controls on the 360 are a little easier imo but yeah the puzzle he was talking about was very irritating.
If this game was made with a mature rating and you got to do a lot more really evil stuff it would be better.
Ummm... I played both Overlord 1 and 2 and loved them both. Yes, I got both of them for the PC and I still loved them. "Being a dick isn't as fun when you're supposed to be a dick" not being fun? Ummm... Yes, you are supposed to be evil, but really Yahtzee there really isn't a moral choice system here, at least not in the conventional sense. It essentially boils down to Enslave or Kill everyone, and either one is evil. And Yahtzee, both games were set in a typical fantasy world that eerily resembled something that Peter Molyneux would come up with because rather than having you trying to save the world from an ultimate evil, you are trying to take over the world. And as for controlling your minions, I found the controls to be pretty intuitive because, as you may or may not have noticed, the minions will continue going in the direction that you have the mouse pointed at (like, oh say, how you would be moving yourself with an analog stick if you were playing this game on the 360), and while yes, it did take me a bit to grasp that concept while playing through the first game (after the two sweeping tutorials I started experimenting with the minion sweep mechanic and figured it out in about 1 minute). And as for the lack of personality for each minion, well, yahtzee, you seem to be forgetting that each minion is defined by its function, that is, they minions personality's are derived from what they DO: i.e. kill people and knock things over. The minions' collective personality is perfectly suited to what they do: your minions want to go out to battle at your command, they WANT to destroy things, they WANT to kill people (whereas in other, more traditional RTS's, the game's storyline makes it clear that your units are there only because they have to be). As for the mistresses, Yahtzee, you clearly didn't get far enough to enjoy the benefits. 1. if you buy enough Netherworld tower upgrades from a particular mistress, you'll get a PG-13 sex scene with the minions trying to peek in on you while the camera bounces around, and 2. during the final battle, depending on what mistress you have chosen to be your first mistress, a different minion type will be supplied with its mount (browns = wolves, reds = salamanders, and greens = spiders). And as for the whole "stealing its core mechanic from Pikmin" thing, well, yes, Overlord kinda does just that, BUT what it does do differently is that Overlord provides a much more plausible context for why this horde of little... things is following you around.
Finally, to address that issue of "sweeping your minions through a maze with a time-limit", well, yes I think I know what section you are talking about Yahtzee, and I can assure you, that the spider-temple elevator is the ONLY place in the game where you'll see something as hard as that, and I got through that after about 10 minutes of solid effort on my part. And again, Yahtzee, aren't you always the first to complain when the challenge of a game "is thrown out the window without a a goodbye or tip of the hat"?
Finally, to address that issue of "sweeping your minions through a maze with a time-limit", well, yes I think I know what section you are talking about Yahtzee, and I can assure you, that the spider-temple elevator is the ONLY place in the game where you'll see something as hard as that, and I got through that after about 10 minutes of solid effort on my part. And again, Yahtzee, aren't you always the first to complain when the challenge of a game "is thrown out the window without a a goodbye or tip of the hat"?
