Zero Punctuation: Overlord 2
- Thread starter Yahtzee Croshaw
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I dunno, overlord 2 seemed pretty funny from the demo i played, and it seems like humor is a pretty strong factor in it, for example a mission actually being "kill baby seals" i mean thats just evil! and I loved it for that, sure the fighting feels a little stiff, and the demo didnt require much "real" strategy should, oh i dont know, the ENJOYABILITY of the game come into play. I mean not every game has to make you study a guidebook just to be able to fight an enemy, its not like youd want to have to plan a super amazing strategy just to beat some super steroid squirrels, or a few armored soldier, no you wanna bash some things around, and maybe have a decent plan of attack for the rest of your "soldiers"
Steam is really good though, but sometimes pc controls can be...bad
Steam is really good though, but sometimes pc controls can be...bad
Wasn't expecting him to review this game but I guess theres not much out atm.
I liked the game, the controls on the 360 are a little easier imo but yeah the puzzle he was talking about was very irritating.
If this game was made with a mature rating and you got to do a lot more really evil stuff it would be better.
I liked the game, the controls on the 360 are a little easier imo but yeah the puzzle he was talking about was very irritating.
If this game was made with a mature rating and you got to do a lot more really evil stuff it would be better.
Ummm... I played both Overlord 1 and 2 and loved them both. Yes, I got both of them for the PC and I still loved them. "Being a dick isn't as fun when you're supposed to be a dick" not being fun? Ummm... Yes, you are supposed to be evil, but really Yahtzee there really isn't a moral choice system here, at least not in the conventional sense. It essentially boils down to Enslave or Kill everyone, and either one is evil. And Yahtzee, both games were set in a typical fantasy world that eerily resembled something that Peter Molyneux would come up with because rather than having you trying to save the world from an ultimate evil, you are trying to take over the world. And as for controlling your minions, I found the controls to be pretty intuitive because, as you may or may not have noticed, the minions will continue going in the direction that you have the mouse pointed at (like, oh say, how you would be moving yourself with an analog stick if you were playing this game on the 360), and while yes, it did take me a bit to grasp that concept while playing through the first game (after the two sweeping tutorials I started experimenting with the minion sweep mechanic and figured it out in about 1 minute). And as for the lack of personality for each minion, well, yahtzee, you seem to be forgetting that each minion is defined by its function, that is, they minions personality's are derived from what they DO: i.e. kill people and knock things over. The minions' collective personality is perfectly suited to what they do: your minions want to go out to battle at your command, they WANT to destroy things, they WANT to kill people (whereas in other, more traditional RTS's, the game's storyline makes it clear that your units are there only because they have to be). As for the mistresses, Yahtzee, you clearly didn't get far enough to enjoy the benefits. 1. if you buy enough Netherworld tower upgrades from a particular mistress, you'll get a PG-13 sex scene with the minions trying to peek in on you while the camera bounces around, and 2. during the final battle, depending on what mistress you have chosen to be your first mistress, a different minion type will be supplied with its mount (browns = wolves, reds = salamanders, and greens = spiders). And as for the whole "stealing its core mechanic from Pikmin" thing, well, yes, Overlord kinda does just that, BUT what it does do differently is that Overlord provides a much more plausible context for why this horde of little... things is following you around.
Finally, to address that issue of "sweeping your minions through a maze with a time-limit", well, yes I think I know what section you are talking about Yahtzee, and I can assure you, that the spider-temple elevator is the ONLY place in the game where you'll see something as hard as that, and I got through that after about 10 minutes of solid effort on my part. And again, Yahtzee, aren't you always the first to complain when the challenge of a game "is thrown out the window without a a goodbye or tip of the hat"?
Finally, to address that issue of "sweeping your minions through a maze with a time-limit", well, yes I think I know what section you are talking about Yahtzee, and I can assure you, that the spider-temple elevator is the ONLY place in the game where you'll see something as hard as that, and I got through that after about 10 minutes of solid effort on my part. And again, Yahtzee, aren't you always the first to complain when the challenge of a game "is thrown out the window without a a goodbye or tip of the hat"?
I found that the game for the Xbox 360 had much better controls. But still with its problems. Its camera sometimes didn't move but started to sweep the minions all around. And sometimes they see my green minions when they were invisible. But I think it was a good game. I think I might pick it up from stores when it hits about $30.
My idiot of a friend has been trying too hard to act like Yahtzee and has been doing it wrong. It really is getting on my nerves. Yahtzee is funny and makes GOOD reviews like this one and attacks games for not making you want to care and having crappy controls, whereas my friend (which I am really debating whether he really is my friend) might as well be saying "Blaaa bla blab blab balaaa blaa." Really starting to piss me off.
It really is good to see something from the real McCoy, I mean Yahtzee. He actually has intelligent, but funny, points to make.
It really is good to see something from the real McCoy, I mean Yahtzee. He actually has intelligent, but funny, points to make.
The evil part of me finds the people who try to change his opinion can be as funny as the actual review.TheDoctor455 said:
Edit: Forgot to say, this review has me curious as to how close this game is to Evil Genius, which I rather enjoyed.
Sounds like if you want Yahtzee to like your game, the primary thing you need to do is create a control scheme so intuitive that your half-blind, arthritic grandmother can play it.
The moving the minions through a maze puzzle on a timmer really burnned me as well because it was so utterly tangential to anything else you ever had to do with the game.
However, and this is a big however, you can "outhink" this particular "maze" if you know what you're doing. You can use the waypoint system to make some of your minions wait on top of the necessary pannels you have to hit while they're still deactivated before you start an attempt at the maze. That way, you can ignore those pannels which significantly reduces the difficultly of the maze, after about a dozen (make that two dozen) failed attempts at doing it the normal way and constantly failing to hit all four buttons I parked two minions on top of the third, took another go and having to hit only the first second and fourth buttons let me pull it off on my first try.
It irritated me, but once I sucessfuly pulled it off I decided in retrospect to cut the developers some slack, they were trying something new, and wanted to find a way of making you think three dimensionally with your mounted greens, and after this section they never made you do anything like it again. Sometimes new ideas work, sometimes they don't, maybe in the third Overlord game there will be a part where you use a posession alatar to control a blue and have to swim around rescuing a bunch of other minions from drowning and drag them back to land to achieve some objective...
By the way, I did sign up just for ZP like so many others if anyone cares and since I can't get the video to load at the moment, so I won't say anything else.
However, and this is a big however, you can "outhink" this particular "maze" if you know what you're doing. You can use the waypoint system to make some of your minions wait on top of the necessary pannels you have to hit while they're still deactivated before you start an attempt at the maze. That way, you can ignore those pannels which significantly reduces the difficultly of the maze, after about a dozen (make that two dozen) failed attempts at doing it the normal way and constantly failing to hit all four buttons I parked two minions on top of the third, took another go and having to hit only the first second and fourth buttons let me pull it off on my first try.
It irritated me, but once I sucessfuly pulled it off I decided in retrospect to cut the developers some slack, they were trying something new, and wanted to find a way of making you think three dimensionally with your mounted greens, and after this section they never made you do anything like it again. Sometimes new ideas work, sometimes they don't, maybe in the third Overlord game there will be a part where you use a posession alatar to control a blue and have to swim around rescuing a bunch of other minions from drowning and drag them back to land to achieve some objective...
By the way, I did sign up just for ZP like so many others if anyone cares and since I can't get the video to load at the moment, so I won't say anything else.