Zero Punctuation: Papers, Please and Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons
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This just in: people with over-inflated egos and no sense of humor offended by crass joke from a fast-talking internet comedian.
It reminds me of the guy who played Chef on south park; he was totally fine with everyone ELSE being made fun of (races, religions, backgrounds) but as soon as they started attacking Scientology (his religion) he flipped out and quit the show.
Sorry chef, that only makes you a hypocrite. If you actually cared, you'd have cared from the beginning and spoke out against it. Starting to care only when you've been offended is picking and choosing. Yahtzee has been insulting groups of gamers, groups of real life people, a couple of religions and entire races (subtly and not-so-subtly) for years now. If you got cheesed off at a trans joke that wasn't even all that offensive nor made with malice or ill intent after years of enjoying it aimed at other parties, quit bitching. You have no ground to stand on.
Edit: to quote Matt Stone on the guy quitting South Park: "[We] never heard a peep out of Isaac in any way until we [lampooned] Scientology. He wants a different standard for religions other than his own, and to me, that is where intolerance and bigotry begin." And that hits the nail on the head. If you're a harsh advocate of political correctness, be sure to do it for everyone; if you wait patiently and question nothing until you personally get offended, you're creating/enforcing double standards that are good for nobody.
It reminds me of the guy who played Chef on south park; he was totally fine with everyone ELSE being made fun of (races, religions, backgrounds) but as soon as they started attacking Scientology (his religion) he flipped out and quit the show.
Sorry chef, that only makes you a hypocrite. If you actually cared, you'd have cared from the beginning and spoke out against it. Starting to care only when you've been offended is picking and choosing. Yahtzee has been insulting groups of gamers, groups of real life people, a couple of religions and entire races (subtly and not-so-subtly) for years now. If you got cheesed off at a trans joke that wasn't even all that offensive nor made with malice or ill intent after years of enjoying it aimed at other parties, quit bitching. You have no ground to stand on.
Edit: to quote Matt Stone on the guy quitting South Park: "[We] never heard a peep out of Isaac in any way until we [lampooned] Scientology. He wants a different standard for religions other than his own, and to me, that is where intolerance and bigotry begin." And that hits the nail on the head. If you're a harsh advocate of political correctness, be sure to do it for everyone; if you wait patiently and question nothing until you personally get offended, you're creating/enforcing double standards that are good for nobody.
Loved the review. Papers, Please is one of the most perplexingly interesting games ever made. It has no right to be fun or meaningful, but it is.
On a side note, the amount of Tumblr social justice in these comments is staggering. Get the hell over it, it was a joke and not even at the expense of anyone. I hope this fad ends soon.
On a side note, the amount of Tumblr social justice in these comments is staggering. Get the hell over it, it was a joke and not even at the expense of anyone. I hope this fad ends soon.
Hear! Hear! Well spoken Bruce!
I came here to opine about the tantalizing possibility of seeing an enormous scrotum in a video game, and not to witness a tenacious argument regarding a sexually themed joke.
In closing; see scrotum, avoid angst, (and also check out "Sir, You are Being Hunted").
I came here to opine about the tantalizing possibility of seeing an enormous scrotum in a video game, and not to witness a tenacious argument regarding a sexually themed joke.
In closing; see scrotum, avoid angst, (and also check out "Sir, You are Being Hunted").
I know that Yahtzee regularly makes jokes at the expense of any and all groups of persons and I find them very amusing, but now he made a joke at the expense of a group of persons which I have emotional investment in! I am horribly offended and can no longer watch this video series.
It actually was in "50 cent: Blood on The Sand" review. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/616-50-Cent-Blood-on-the-Sand
Hate to spoil your happiness, but if she asks to help her with money or something - do not send her anything under any circumstances and stop contacting her immediately. Too many conmen use that method now.
Then you're not reallly in a relashionship, sorry. Relationships do not become real until you have known each other in person for at least some time, and certainly not until you have personally met.snowfi6916 said:
Hate to spoil your happiness, but if she asks to help her with money or something - do not send her anything under any circumstances and stop contacting her immediately. Too many conmen use that method now.
Meet the transgender community, in all its foamy-mouthed glory.Grach said:
OT: Man I have to agree with Yahtzee on Papers please. This game is hell of a addictive. I also noticed that after a while I developed a burning hatred for receiving citations. I would get just giddy when I got chance to detain people, for trying to give me a citation.
Nice shitposting. Care to explain exactly why you have a problem with my post?team star pug said:
EDIT: Oh you changed it. Wow, you're real fucking mature.
Like I said, I could give a shit what you think. But if all you are doing is editing my posts, then I have already proven everything I need to.
OHH right so the thread turned into a gender-debate thread. I was wondering how the hell this had so many comments, Zero Punctuation has been pretty boring for the past ~5 months or so.
I could watch Yahtzee's old stuff all day long on repeat and still laugh my ass off, but most of his newer stuff is just a snooze-fest.
I could watch Yahtzee's old stuff all day long on repeat and still laugh my ass off, but most of his newer stuff is just a snooze-fest.
snowfi6916 said:
First, I do not insist on anything. This was just an advice. Sure, you are free to use your own definitions - just don't complain if something bad happens as a result.
Second, it is not "my definition", I simply use definition that is already widely known.
Also, world will not "adhere" to anything anyway.
And you have never said what your definition of relationship is. Do tell how you define it, if that's not too hard.
I did not mean that you're not in ANY relationships right now - I just meant that this particular one looks flimsy.snowfi6916 said:
Another red flag - "open relationships". Under that trendy convinient pharse people simply hide their unwillingness to have commitment or responsibilities to their partner. Or just fornication - if person don't like anything, they can simply bail at any time.
Why would you even consider dating others if you and your gf are compatible and are committed to each other?
This reminds me of the Jimquistion where Jim pointed out that, just because the Asari are supposed to be genderless, does not make Femshepard having sex with Liara any less lesbian. That's because the Asari have a human female form. The same principle applies to a man sucking off someone who has the form of a man.
Yep! Taking definitions that have had clear and meaningful biological definitions for hundreds if not thousands of years and dashing them to the rocks is a tactic that will only bring disaster on those who attempt it. If only they were wise enough to see their follyReeve said:
Obvious objective rant from someone who has no troops in either camp: abuse individual trans people suffer - actual, malicious insults and attacks - is every bit as out of place and unacceptable as "normal" sexual abuse, and anyone guilty of it should be called out and punished for it. That said, a lot of this abuse comes from fear of the unknown - folks who are ignorant of what trans really is or means just spouting off rhetoric. Much of this kind of abuse can be reduced by simply teaching and educating folks on trans matters.
Look at how (generally) accepted the gay community is today - that came from decades of education and integration, dispelling rumors and undue fears. When a similar thing happens with the trans community, people will be more understanding and accepting (...in general, again, there will always be bigots). To give a specific example; gay men, for a long time, were implied to have or outright blamed for having a substantially increased leaning toward pedophilia. This had no basis in truth, and every scientific study done on the topic showed zero correlation. Over time the truth won out, and only hardcore bigots will quote this "fact" to attack gays anymore. Right now, the trans community has a lot of (equally bullshit) rumors and misconceptions floating around. With time and dedication, these will be dispelled - and said community will be one step closer to general acceptance.
What the trans movement doesn't need to do is force the world to change the basic definitions of "man" and "woman". There are biological definitions of man and woman that have existed for thousands of years, with obvious and clear meaning. Fucking that up with a less-than-0.5%-of-population jargon is just a disaster, and it's something none of them seem capable of understanding. Teach us about your issues; come up with terms for it that are descriptive of your issues. But don't take words that already have clear meaning and try to obfuscate them into meaninglessness. That will do you far more harm than good.
This is like the fifth civil rights movement in recent memory, so I'm honestly surprised people are still getting it wrong. Being overly hostile, labeling and degrading the "majority" will never win you brownie points. Throwing childlike temper tantrums over jokes will never win you brownie points. If you want to be accepted, show that you are accepting. If you want to be trusted, show you trust. If you want to be understood, educate and teach those who are ignorant of your lifestyle. If you want to continue being abused and mistreated, keep making mountains out of molehills - raising shitstorms over non-issues and straining relationships instead of improving them.
If your first reaction to a Yahtzee joke that offends you is "oh, fuck you, I'm never watching your video again," it doesn't really say anything good about your moral character or the movement you're trying to represent. If you are seriously interested in bridging the gap, reasoned and logical discussions and explanations will do far more good than temper tantrums and ragequits (and always have, in the end). The rare chaotic spark of a revolution is often wrought with conflict; but resolution and eventual acceptance requires mutual trust and understanding, none of which is gained through pointless conflict.
This was a fun one, cracked up several times.
I had the same experience going through Brothers in one sitting. Never bored, but never moved a lot either. Im grateful to finally have a critic I frequent that shared that journey instead of the ones that were moved to tears by it. Felt like I was alone and more cynical than I thought.
I had the same experience going through Brothers in one sitting. Never bored, but never moved a lot either. Im grateful to finally have a critic I frequent that shared that journey instead of the ones that were moved to tears by it. Felt like I was alone and more cynical than I thought.
I define it as simply wanting to be together and loving each other. Distance, physical contact, all that stuff is important, and if we want it to work we WILL need that at some point, but it doesn't mean we don't have a relationship.Miroluck said:
An open relationship doesn't mean that we aren't committed to each other. I have seen relationships like this work. I have a transwoman friend of mine who was married to her wife before coming out, and now also has a boyfriend. Her wife is totally fine with it, and her boyfriend is totally fine with it.Miroluck said:
That's all that's required to have an open relationship work. ALL parties need to be on the same page, and communication is important.
But as I said, we are so in love with each other that we can't even think of other people to be with. So I guess it's not really open... it's just an option that none of us wants to do.
Internet dating has been pretty normal for the last few decades and I know a lot of people who never met their partner for years and eventually got married anfd started a family.Miroluck said:
Your standards are nothing but prejudices left over from a dead world and in case I didn't make it clear enough the concept of classifying relationships as "real" or otherwise is just elitist dribble meant to discriminate.
As long as two people can talk and learn about each other they can fall in love. This is something I would expect children to understand.
In case you weren't aware, conmen have been extorting people out of money with the promise of an intimate relationship for thousands of years and the rise of the Internet hasn't done anything to change that landscape.
PS your use of the word debauchery just puts the cherry on the cake. If you were trying to lose all credibility you went above and beyond the call of duty.
