Zero Punctuation: The World Ends With You

[CodeChrono]

Meh. I liked the game a lot.

Yahtzee was pretty fair as usual, though it slightly irks me that JRGs get all the ragging on for being the same junk over and over again, when I could definilty point out at least 15 FPS or Strategy games for being the same juink over and over agian.

But whatever, as Yahtzee can do whatever he likes, and trying to change somebody's opinion on the internet is idiotic. Then again, everybody's entitled to their own opinion.

Although I would like to see a little diversity in his reviews. Itt seems we're usually stuck in FPS town. I don't care if its JPRG's necessarily, just as long as something else besides guns are invovled.

 

[trlkly]

I've just discovered Zero Punctuation.

You are very intelligent, Yahtzee. The metaphors, parallels, and jokes you make are all very funny. The problem is I have no time to laugh. What's the point of comedy if I can't enjoy it and laugh at it? I don't think this pacing does anything for your content. Oftentimes I'll miss really good, complex lines or jokes because it went by at the speed of light. I know it's your gimmick but it's still just a gimmick and honestly I think it's numbing your creativity.

I think some people can get jokes faster than others. Or don't mind laughing, and then rewinding to see what they missed while laughing.

Also, I personally felt Yahtzee was too slow this time. I hate it when I have time to telegraph jokes.

 

[PureZephyr]

Happy birthday Yahtzee

 

[trlkly]

I say "Meh".

Unless Escapist is handing him these games to review, he needs to just stop reviewing them and do something he's not already going to dislike in it's entirety - which leads to, in my opinion, a less than stellar job (go watch SimCities review to get what I mean.)

What we know about Yahtzee:

1.) He hates JRPGS
2.) He hates People.
3.) He hates JRPGS.

It's called a genre for a reason, and I haven't seen anything change in it since Chronotrigger (the last good one).

Yahtzee, next week, just pre-review every JRPG to come out in the next ten years and tell us it's really going to suck - you won't be telling us anything new, and ten years from now you can say 'I told you so'.

It's not called a genre though, the genre in this case would be RPG.

Saying it's a genre would be like saying "Action Movies By Steven Speilberg" is a genre (or quake maps for that matter if you're going to complain that there are enough JRPGs for it to be a legitimate genre, I guarantee there are more Quake maps than JRPGs out there).

I always love reading people telling Yahtzee what to do. He has pulled in however many million viewers and single handedly popularised this site, but he clearly needs advice from someone as knowledgeable and important as you.

He puts out a consumer product, I'm a consumer saying the product sucks - there is no more important feedback, fanboy. But then, you probably already knew that I had hidden my criticism deep within a suggestion - cause your supernatural mental prowess clearly would miss nothing like that.

Also, to characterize Oblivion and World of Warcraft as the same type of game would be folly. Just as you wouldn't put Billy Madison in the same area of the movie store as a Patton Oswalt stand-up. Each of those are a different genre. The word genre is as small or large as a person wants to make it - Yahtzee clearly makes a distinction between western and JRPGS, which is precisely what I'm commenting on.

Now please, go find some other internet fad to defend witlessly.

Wow. How incredibly stupid can one person be? If you can say whatever YOU want, he can say whatever he wants.

Also, you actually think Yahtzee reads these? You poor, deluded soul. There's a reason these are called "comments", not "feedback". Yahtzee used to read his emails, but I'm guessing he's not even going to do that anymore. As long as people watch his videos, he has no vested interest in listening to him.

So, coming to a page on the website of a video you just took the time to watch and complaining about it is just stupid. We can't do anything about it. And, if Yahtzee ever did happen to read it, he's the type of person who would do the opposite just to make you mad.

Also, funny how you think Yahtzee should be able to take criticism, but the same criticism gets you so mad that you start calling people names.

 

[shaun832]

TWEWY! LOL!

 

[Quiva]

All the good JRPG's used to be about gory storylines (gory as in long and complex) and collecting all the kewl moves which had really kewl graphics. Once EA bought all the good JRPG companies this stopped happening. Don't blame the japanese, blame Electronic Arts for everything like i do.

Yahtzee is doing a good job. Even games he doesn't like he still points out any good bits and quite frankly anyone who bags him for doing his job is moronic and childish. He bagged the crap out of GTAIV yet he still pointed out that he was going to spend more time playing it. If you can't understand the point of criticism stop posting, or better yet seal yourself in a crate and post yourself to a country without video games.

Also WOW and Obliv are RPGs and they do go in the same genre as final fantasy etc. Just cos u don't like em don't mean they're not lumped together. Sorry.

P.S. Chronotrigger was awesome, but final fantasy VII was the last good one in my opinion.
P.P.S. Chronotrigger was reviewed in australia by Nintendo magazine and got 93%, an unprecedented rating. they were playing the game in japanese and couldn't even understand what the hell was going on and they still loved it. That is the sign of good RPG.
P.P.P.S. Happy birthday Yahtzee. Mine was on tuesday.

 

[divine.]

MAZAL TOV!
from here in Israel =D

 

[drawthreecards]

Meh. I liked the game a lot.

Yahtzee was pretty fair as usual, though it slightly irks me that JRGs get all the ragging on for being the same junk over and over again, when I could definilty point out at least 15 FPS or Strategy games for being the same juink over and over agian.

But whatever, as Yahtzee can do whatever he likes, and trying to change somebody's opinion on the internet is idiotic. Then again, everybody's entitled to their own opinion.

Although I would like to see a little diversity in his reviews. Itt seems we're usually stuck in FPS town. I don't care if its JPRG's necessarily, just as long as something else besides guns are invovled.

Haven't you heard? Every genre is recycled crap these days.

 

[Sasha Janre]

The writing holds up well, but it doesn't really shine until AFTER the game is over. That had me in stitches; it's a shame that level of comedy wasn't dispersed through the whole game.

Dibs on rainbow.

Exactly what I mean.

"No, no, no, I call pink." "(Great, now they are fighting over colors!)"
"His blue strikes me more of a...black and blue." "What do I look like, a bruise?"
"You're like a bruise on the tomato of my heart."

Also, "(Great, not only did he name us after crayons, apparently he's been EATING them too.)"

"You're the one that refuses to call me pink."
"So now it's MY FAULT?"

"I demand you make me a spirit!"
"Why would you wanna be a crayon!?"

I COULD DO THIS ALL DAY. XD;

"Uhh, I'm not good with crowds... Crowds bring out those symbols- the weebers! I can see them everywhere! There! Clinging to that guy's back- WEEBERS!!! Weebie weebie weebie..."

I'll pull the names out for the sake of keeping this spoiler free, but it's nothing major anyway.

1: Hey, wanna play me in---
2: Say, did you know?
2: We all perceive the world around us differently---
2: ---filtered through the lens of our desired reality.
1: Huh!?
1: (thinking) Is this kid high?
2: So if you're wondering why a certain young lady still looks like somebody else...
2: ...it's because you refuse to perceive her as she really is.
1: Young lady?
2: The only thing stopping you from seeing what she really looks like... is you.
2: So you see, it's your fault.
1: I need to look harder?
2: That's right. Let go of your preconceptions.
1: Um... you know...
1: I was just gonna ask if you wanted to play Tin Pin, but, um---
2: Hmm? Tin Pin?
2: We already played.
1: What? We did not!
2: Weren't you listening?
2: Like I said, you only see what you want to see.
2: You didn't want to see yourself lose.
1: (thinking) How come I always pick the crazies to talk to...
2: When you're drowning in a sea of work with not enough time,...
2: ...why pour your soul into assets that get used all of... what, once?
2: Really. Have some compassion.
2: Ta-ta. (leaves)
1: Whew...
1: What was that all about?
1: Kid plays too many video games.

Really, the writing is excellent.

THAT CONVERSATION CONFUSED THE HELL OUT OF ME AT FIRST. Then I realized what was going on.

But Yes, the dialogue is just .. top notch. I didn't mind reading all of it at all. And Minamimoto and his bad math puns ... "You zetta sons of digits!" <3

 

[twilight_dweller]

The translators were very good. I was particularly pleased with the Ouendan reference they snuck in.

 

[smallharmlesskitten]

wheres the email adress gone

 

[rougeknife]

wheres the email adress gone

... holidays?

Yathzee?s birthday should be a long weekend. I might just want an want another excuse to get on the piss, but hey, its as good a reason as any for a public holiday.

 

[Iori Branford]

I think it's basically what you think is more fun and how much thinking you want to do
1) pure reading, with which you'll go for a book or visual novel (which is essentially a novel with voices for the characters and pictures for every page), and you'll be thinking throughout.
2) lots of reading but just enough flashy stuff and gameplay to keep you from thinking most of the time, with which you'll turn to JRPG or Anime.
3) not so much reading but a good (sort of) story none-the-less and lots of gameplay to keep your mind occupied, in which case RPG. And last but not least
4) as little reading as possible, which then becomes any other genre.

In short, how much of a novel do you want it to be.

I find it weird (though it is his opinion) that Yahtzee call gaming an art form while so heavily criticizing JRPG. I personally think the writers of GOOD JRPG stories are making more of an artistic expression than any other game except good writers of visual novels. For the amount of art present in a game I say it's ranked #1 visual novels, since they are put under games and not novels for some reason #2 JRPG #3 WRPG and then advanture games and then everything else.
The good ones of course. The bad ones are either Hollywood Flicks or, in the case of visual novels, porn.

Though of course it's been a while since I played JRPG.

If long-winded digital teen pulp fantasy aspires to be more art than real games, it should maybe try getting some real writers (to both write and translate) who actually have a decent command of their art. Which Yahtzee does. Those keyboard-bangers at Square Enix, Bethesda, etc...not so much.

You demand interactive storytelling...

...by people who know how to tell stories, part of which is knowing how much is too much.

 

[DystopiaSticker]

You demand interactive storytelling, yet you HATED Mass Effect.

DURR.

You're right, Lori. I'm sure there's just a small, insignificant amount of people who thought the Mass Effect story was brilliant. It obviously sucked because it had too much to tell. God I hate it when the writers are thorough and make some of the more unnecessary information optional to read.

Dicks.

 

[privatehuff]

I've really started to wonder what qualifies Sir Yahtzee de Nada Punctuacion to hate the entire jRPG genre... Has he played FF3j, FF6, FF7, FFX, and Xenogears? Shining Force I & II? From tactics and disgaea? Ogre-battle to suikoden[sic]? Valkery Profile? That newer Arc the Lad (twilight whatever)? I'd love a "retrospective" on one or all of these during this season-of-bugger-all's-coming-out ^^

 

[meisnewbie]

I am entirely convinced that I hate myself on some extremely fundamental, basic and unhealthy level.

I do not profess to having played many jRPGs, nor being an affici- aficdo- EXPERT on the
genre.
My experience is limited to a misguided run in with Tales of Symphonia, two failed attempts at finishing two Final Fantasy games, one Shadow Hearts game, two Nippon Ichi SRPGs and Persona 3.

THIS IS ENTIRELY IRRELEVANT TO THE POINT OF MY POST.

which is

uh

I think

that one thing

Visual Novels

yeah.

Sure they're like CYOAs

with minimal (read non existent) gameplay
extremely linear progression (OH GOD)
and other things that I'm too bored to explain to the uneducated (THAT WOULD BE OTHER PEOPLE LOL)

But still

Ever17 > Any of your favorite games

 

[Tooky]

Well... I was one of the people that recommended TWEWY for a review, breaking my long-held code of silence that I would never be one of the bleating morons who e-mails Yahtzee demanding he review particular games, slamming his previous reviews of games I like and generally blowing smoke up his arse... he has more than enough fanboys to do that already. The irony that he commands an army of blind-rabid-fanboys to rival Nintendo appears to be lost on him at this point but I digress.

I effing love TWEWY despite only being roughly 40% of the way through it... I think the game is bloody genius and the combat and game mechanic so original and dynamic that I want to tell everyone around me to buy a copy of it immediately... but that's me.

I recommended it for review because whilst I was playing it I was thinking "Here's a title currently receiving critical acclaim for being an amazing new addition to the JRPG genre as well as one of the best titles for the DS to date... not to mention being quite possibly one of the most unashamedly Japanese games to ever see a Western release... Yahtzee would make mince-meat of this game, regardless of whether he ended up liking it or not."

So I e-mailed him with a few points about why I think he'd make an awesome review of this game and was stoked when I saw he'd reviewed it this week.

My verdict: mediocre review at best.

In all honesty, I couldn't care less whether he liked the game or hated it with a burning passion... all I wanted to see was him relentlessly crucify the game in a hilarious manner.

As it stands, the review, whilst damning, wasn't all that funny... the jokes, of which there were few that weren't just lame-bashing of JRPG cliches and game conventions which, for Yahtzee, is basically re-treading old ground... felt rushed and hardly thought through.

Perhaps birthday celebrations left him feeling a mite fuzzy and unable to produce his usual manic monologue.

Anyway, personally I feel a little disappointed by this weeks review, especially as I was looking forward to it so much... but such is life. They can't all be winners.

Happy belated birthday, Yahtzee.

[edit: censored my own potty-mouth]

 

[L4Y Duke]

I must admit I like JRPGs a lot more than a lot of you guys. Two of my favourite RPGs are from Japan, those being Suikoden and Wild Arms.

That's not to say I dislike western RPGs, I also thoroughly enjoyed KotOR and TESIV: Oblivion.

Oh, and also: Did anyone else notice that his sketch of TWEWY 'doing things differently' to other JRPGs had the glasses and hair of the guy who made the Some Punctuation [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XSpPIBvjN4] review?

Finally, with the new format, I can't drag the progress bar any further forward than 8 seconds in, so everytime I manually rewind, I see 'Zero Punctuation reviews The World Ends With You', with the lyrics immediately going "Oh, yes he is!". That, alone, made me laugh.

 

[DreamerM]

I've just discovered Zero Punctuation.

You are very intelligent, Yahtzee. The metaphors, parallels, and jokes you make are all very funny. The problem is I have no time to laugh. What's the point of comedy if I can't enjoy it and laugh at it? I don't think this pacing does anything for your content. Oftentimes I'll miss really good, complex lines or jokes because it went by at the speed of light. I know it's your gimmick but it's still just a gimmick and honestly I think it's numbing your creativity.

This is why I usually watch Yahtzee's reviews numerous times: some of the jokes go by so fast you'll never catch them otherwise. The pause button is your friend.

 

[Le' Moog]

Challenge Anika!! and happy birthday yahtzee