Ha, ha, ha. You guys are so funny. I though it's about time I join in and share some of my superior gaming intelect... ok maybe just some average intelect but compared to some of you I look like Albert Einstein of the Gaming World. This will be a
WALL of text so please bare with me.
Ok, let's start with some truth colored by a bit of euphemism so some won't think that I'm here only to mock you...
Snipingkid said:
Wow, he actually reviewed a game I played and beat!
I liked how everyone had his or her own personality. Most of his complaints here seem to be from nitpicking too much. I do agree that the game needs autosave though. Not during the missions though, but the save button needs to be more obvious (it's hidden in the options menu).
Now the hard part - If you can't find the "save option" ingame menu or in the book menu (btw that is very, almost utterly transparent) them I'm very sorry but you are "not the sharpest tool in the shead" (read: "stupid").
So, after some warmup let's head straight to the core, where the fun is, please notice the 3 following quotes:
Autocracy said:
Okay. I tried. I really did. I tried to look away but I just can't let this rest.
You seem like a reasonable chap, you really do, but you reasoning is flawed as is your comparisons. Honestly, I hate the line of thinking and how common sense is abandoned by amateur fans of the genre. Of course, I never was a fan of the way gamers liked to try and classify things. What is Valkyria Chronicles. It's a turn-based Role Playing game that is from Japan, therefor it is a Japanese Role Playing Game (behold, the most flawed logic on earth). AKA a JRPG. It is very much relevant and I don't know why it wouldn't be.
Autocracy said:
AGAIN! AGGG. I want to choke these people. Do you not understand what a tactical RPG is? Have you not played Disgaea or Final Fantasy Tactics? Luminous Arc? None of these names ringing a bell? How about Operation Darkness, that was pretty recent. No? I'm about to start shooting people in a moment.
Autocracy said:
Dear lord. I facepalm at thee. No. "JRPG" is a term to collectively categorize the games of this genre that originate from that region and share common elements such as those "anime tropes" you mentioned. Just because it has "tactical" elements doesn't automatically exclude it from being a Japanese Role Playing Game. That just strikes me as silly. To argue that the two things are mutually exclusive is just a pointless exercise in semantics, don't you think?
As you have probably noticed
Mr. Autocracy here is very "certain" of what he is saying is THE TRUTH... or is just a troll trying to stir up trouble... but let's assume the first option, shall we.
Mr. Autocracy says that VC is a JRPG, his arguments:
- it's from Japan... and therefore every game with the last 3 letters "RPG" is atomaticly an JRPG
- it has anime characters
Ok, fair enough.
But only for the next 5 minutes let's assume
Valkyrie Chronicles is actually NOT an JRPG - lets assume
it's an TRPG (=Turn-Based Tactics).
I dream of a world where a genre of a game is not determent by the country of it's orgin but by the content of it's gameplay... by the logic of Mr. Autocracy if
"Jagged Alliance 2" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagged_alliance_2 ) would be made in Japan with "anime graphics" it would be a JRPG. Why I took JA2 as an example? Because it's the closest game that I recall when thinking about VC ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valkyrie_of_the_Battlefield ). I gave you Wikipedia links ( I know that Wikipedia is made by funny people that are not to be trusted but still) so you could see that what genre those two games are under - a bit simple from my side, I know. I beg for forgivness.
Oh yeah, one more thing. Mr. Autocracy, when writing stuff like "I want to choke these people", please stop, it makes you look more pathetic then you really are, although this still falls under discussion.
Samurai Goomba said:
But yeah, enemies should NEVER be able to shoot you when it's not their turn in a TBS. I don't think I've ever encountered that in all my TBS gaming.
I see you never played any games from the JA series.
Now something from a different barrel before I hit the second main event, please observe:
Lord_Jaroh said:
I happened to enjoy the pseudo-WWII story-line (which I think they told that way just to avoid stepping on peoples toes, in my opinion
Unfortunetly for you are totally wrong... and what's with this "in my opinion"... are you afraid that someone will call "bullshit" on you? I hate people who use this, usualy shows the lack of balls or arguments... or both. I will explain why I think this is wrong after the next quote:
Triple G said:
Sorry to like interrupt your discussion, but freakin' cry me a river. STOP spoiling people's fun and defending JRPGs. Do you try to be serious in a comedy club and spoiling the comedians jokes, too? This was like the best review in a month. Also Yathzee has some really valid points in his review, e.g. the "we rename real countries to evade historical accuracy" thing. Also as I understood the USSR was left out in this game.
What the hell? The USSR had like 80% of the war and has beaten the Germans almost singlehandetly, the so called "allies" dropped in after Germany already lost the key battles(Moscow, Stalingrad & Kursk).
There were only 2 real battles on the "western front".
1. D-Day, where the so called "Allies" had terrifying losses.
2. German offensive in the Ardennes in the Spring of 1944. This was like the only time the Germans really fought back on the western front after D-Day and the so called "Allies" almost got pushed back to the Atlantic Ocean. And you know what stopped the Germans? They run out of gas.
Besides that the so called "Allies" alomst didn't fight real soldiers at all. They fought 14-year old children and old men from the "Volkssturm" who had just old stuff because all the REAL stuff had to be moved to fight the USSR.
First of all - they where not evading historical accuracy because it was never there intend.
Dear
Lord Jaroh (not Mr. because here already is a Lord) and
Mr.GGG (historian wannbe). Japan is not Canada - example - Bethesda (hell on there soul for raping Fallout) actually removed the NUKE from the Japaness version of the game... how did they substitute it or WHY THE FUCK did they do it, beats me. I heard that the Australian version is even more butchered thanks to "you know who".
On the other hand we have the Japs, lovers of tentacle porn on other strange stuff. You people really think they give a shit what other countries think. Anybody of you ever played Ring of Red ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_Red ) ? It's also a TRPG. Read the the "Plot" and after that "Plot differences". You will see who dudges history (I'm getting off-topic here, have to get back on track).
Ok, ok this is not proof enough that really didn't want to make a historical accuracy world - different argument. Let's say they want to make an accurate europa - how are they gonna put in the elements like: the big Castle Lance, the Darcsens people, the ancient civilization, the valkyria blood and other unnatural shit.
Is it so hard to see that they wanted to make a game about a "great war" with slight SF elements that resemble a bit the IIWW?
Map for those who don't own the game:
Next case:
Max-Vader said:
1: The Empire is not the incarnation of ultimate evil (they are still portrayed as normal human beings, which I liked) and they are not only based on Nazis, but also on Prussia and the middle ages.
2: The Federation is just as bad, as shown in one chapter.
3: Let's just say that one case early in the game showed that being a main character with much screentime doesn't make you immortal.
4: The main character is squad leader because he was trained for that, not because he has a tank.
5: The backstory of soldiers is one page, not one sentence.
6: If your sniper hits one out of ten, then "you're doin' it wrong", if you excuse the bad joke.
7: Your own units also fire at enemys while they move, so it's fair.
8: You can also crouch behind other things than just sandbags.
9: Guns can be upgraded in three ways, not in one.
10: You can skip cutscenes.
11: Most of the characters aren't really androgynus.
12: I'm not entirely sure, but I think you can save at least every turn.
Thanks
MV, this will be usefull further down the road.
Lord_Jaroh said:
Yes, I can see where there is some disagreement, but I can also see his side of the criticism, as 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, and 11 are all subjective based on the point of view. Ergo, his critism is valid, as is yours (oh come ooooon) . He was not wrong in anything he said, maybe exaggerated, but not flat-out wrong.
Ladies and Gentelman, the
Devils Advocat Lord Jaroh, probably the 2nd most "full of shit" person in this thread right after Mr. Autocracy.
Some facts:
- Mr. Croshaw said himself that
all opinions are subjective and other stuff about "not getting to you...".
- MV poited out facts.
- "Yahtzee" clearly lacked a lot of accured info when making his review/rant.
- Lord Jaroh knows Mr. Croshows thought, thats how he can counter all those accusations so splenditly, on Mr. Croshows behalf.
Between
RIGHT and
WRONG there is no "I didn't have those information so I'm excussed", you are still
PLAIN WRONG. Hugh Laurie in House M.D, episode "Three Stories" explains this nicely. Oh yeah, when someone starts shouting "opinions are subjective" in means that the arguments have ran out on his side, go figure - only pussies use "IMHO".
solidstatemind said:
This is ENTERTAINMENT. Yes, you are entitled to think that "Yahtzee is wrong/is a lousy game player/is biased against JRPGs/didn't play enough of the game/is (whatever excuse makes you feel less butthurt)", if that honestly makes you feel better that he doesn't happen to have the same glowing opinion of a game that you really, really like.
However, the rest of us here don't really give a flying fuck about YOUR opinion: we're here to see YAHTZEE'S because he makes us laugh!
You really want to 'take issue' with Yahtzee??? Then, FFS, stop whining in a comment thread that less than 10% of his fans are going to bother to read and produce a product that will attract our attention away from him!
We are nearing the ending, hang on a little bit longer.
Yes, ENTERTAINMENT... but on what level? When "Yahtzee" started he was quite accured about the facts when ranting on games - atleast those that I know. At some point came "The Witcher" (ARPG), here strange things started to happend, the jokes/egzadurations started focusing on stuff "stereotypical" for RPGs - Big Manuals and so forth, not the actual shitty content... oh, one fuck up, happends to everyone once in a while.
After that it was all and well in Yahtzland, then this year happend "VC", even more cheap humor then TW and a lot of false data... UGH! It's nothing major, once a year it can happen, hey, there is nobody who gives 100% for himself in work all year long, is it.
I don't want Mr. Croshows to become a troll, the gaming world is domineted by gaming media that give blowjobs to every dev/publisher who is rich enough to make AAA titles and pay for ads on there sites. We, gamers need a honest person (a comedian at that), that will show us how many of todays "big-budget" games are just big turds wraped in tinfoile (prime example "Far Cry 2").
Mr. Croshows, please, don't be a troll, be a person that shows truth by the POWER of humor.
One more thing, some of you may assume that "Yahtzee" lied about a few thing in his rant, that is not true. When exaggerating a false info it looks like the person was lying on purpose, which is in fact just a mistake, simple as that.
For the record:
- yes, I have a life, but today I had a lot of free time
- no, I don't like JRPG
Thanks for reading.