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lol , didnt realize it was gonna be taken so seriously

its just a post , i did it to make people respond ,

Quite easy to get under people`s skins these days eh?

Its just a comic , if he did it badly stop reading it , everyone makes mistakes , i am pretty sure most of u who argue this dont stand a chance in making comics , he has a skill , he tried to enchance it , it didnt work, it was his choice , no post will change that

i didnt know firefox had a spellchecker , i spelt it wrong , the grammar was bad, my name isnt meant to be that funny , infact odd is probably right ,i havent read those other comics , im not going to , but i do read good books, Mr men is nice,Your comments mean nothing to me , im not bothered if u think tims up his own arse , im not bothered how u meant it, i dont really care ,
 

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JustAnotherGuyTooCoolForOutside said:
lol , didnt realize it was gonna be taken so seriously

its just a post , i did it to make people respond ,

Quite easy to get under people`s skins these days eh?

Its just a comic , if he did it badly stop reading it , everyone makes mistakes , i am pretty sure most of u who argue this dont stand a chance in making comics , he has a skill , he tried to enchance it , it didnt work, it was his choice , no post will change that

i didnt know firefox had a spellchecker , i spelt it wrong , the grammar was bad, my name isnt meant to be that funny , infact odd is probably right ,i havent read those other comics , im not going to , but i do read good books, Mr men is nice,Your comments mean nothing to me , im not bothered if u think tims up his own arse , im not bothered how u meant it, i dont really care ,
Go jump in a fire.
 

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JustAnotherGuyTooCoolForOutside said:
lol , didnt realize it was gonna be taken so seriously

its just a post , i did it to make people respond ,

Quite easy to get under people`s skins these days eh?

Its just a comic , if he did it badly stop reading it , everyone makes mistakes , i am pretty sure most of u who argue this dont stand a chance in making comics , he has a skill , he tried to enchance it , it didnt work, it was his choice , no post will change that

i didnt know firefox had a spellchecker , i spelt it wrong , the grammar was bad, my name isnt meant to be that funny , infact odd is probably right ,i havent read those other comics , im not going to , but i do read good books, Mr men is nice,Your comments mean nothing to me , im not bothered if u think tims up his own arse , im not bothered how u meant it, i dont really care ,
And here I was thinking this was all over and done. Ah well, more fun for me.

...Uh, I did respond. What more were you lookin' for there chief? I can speak only in the manner with which I'm accustomed and as such shall in no way endeavor to make my language more palpable for the boorish masses. In other words, I'm not dumbing down my speech for the stupids.

As for getting under my skin, like I said earlier, it's an easy way to kill ten minutes. Besides, it also gives me a chance to get my rant on, and lord knows I don't get to do that very often.

If someone does badly on something in a professional manner, he should expect people throwing his mistakes in his face. This is what happens when you start doing something for money (And since he hocks products based off the comic, I consider his doing it is for the purpose of making money) As for "Standing a chance in making comics" I'd say B^Uckley there isn't exactly comic material either, unless you mean WEB-comics, in which case a retarded quadriplegic is suited for them...So right up your alley.

As for his attempt to "enhance" his comic, if someone designed an arcade game that punched you in the nuts whenever you got hit on screen, you'd be annoyed by it. Sure, it may be an attempt to work with a new direction, but that new direction is obviously centered around a bad idea. The jagoff couldn't even be bothered to see it all the way to the end. He fails ALL OVER the spectrum.

In order:

It does, of course you did hence the correction, no kidding, I would assume not, as I frequently am, your loss, your loss again, I somehow doubt that, I've no clue what "Mr. Men" is, ditto there kiddo, I fail to see why you would be, I'm pretty indifferent either way, and I concur on that last point.

Like I said, this stuff is a good way to waste time while giving me a chance to both rant and do a little debating exercises.

Three minutes to a mini-rant, a new record!
 

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JustAnotherGuyTooCoolForOutside said:
I didn't realize my post would be taken like this as I'm obviously a moron.
I made that post to make people respond, or at least that's what I'm saying now because I look like an idiot.

Quite easy to get under people`s skins these days, eh? Especially if you can't read or write properly, form valid arguments or have any actual reason for posting, other than claiming to be an attention whore to cover my stupid ass.

Its just a comic! If he did it badly stop reading it (oh, most of you already said you have...), everyone makes mistakes (such as posting without any reason or writing skills). I am a presumptuous moron who assumes that anyone who hasn't made a web comic has no creative skill or drive.

He has skill (or at least enough to draw some lines, ink them and paste an essay over them), he claimed the "dramatic turn" was to add depth to the comic but in reality it was his mind taking a shit on the comic to make himself feel better.

I didn't know FireFox had a spellchecker (as it's apparently too hard to move my mouse down from the address bar and click a button).
I spelt many things incorrectly, grammar is bad, my name is meant to be funny, but in fact it is not.

I have not read those other comics and I'm not going to, but I do read good books (surprised? I can read!). Mr Men is a good read (Mister Tickle is a laugh riot! And even though I said books I only mentioned one, amazing!).

Comments are nothing to me (besides the medium through which I whore my ego and present my opinions and their meanings). I'm not bothered if you think Tim is up his own arse and I'm not bothered how you meant it... I really do care, tell me more and fuel my ego, I want attention.
 

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But the fact remains that CAD is not an action/drama comic made by DC or Marvel, it's a silly, wacky, video game webcomic. Buckley began making this comic in the hopes to make people laugh, and it seems to me that he's lost his way. His arrogence is making him believe that he can get away with webcomic suicide.

If Buckley really wanted to tackle the sensitive issues, he could just as easily make a new, more mature webcomic where he can talk about dead babies all he wants without disrupting the tone CAD. But what he's doing now is the equvilent of a doctor describing the symptoms of AIDS at a Chucky Cheese party.
 

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Wow. The vitriol. The verbal violence. The hatred. Can it be? Yes, it is conversations on an internet forum!

Well, here, for the record, are my several cents worth.

I tend to like CAD, especially Chef Brian.
I am willing to see where this whole story line goes, but only if it lasts, say, another three or four days tops. I read webcomics as a break from work, and when I do I want to be entertained, not depressed. That said, I can handle some seriousness.
Tim Buckley is venting something and probably should be talking to his friends and not us faceless unknowns.
Now that I have spent a few minutes away from work, I'll go back to it and not follow up on this thread at all.

Ciao bellas and bellos.
GA
 

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PingPongJoe said:
But what he's doing now is the equvilent of a doctor describing the symptoms of AIDS at a Chucky Cheese party.
Sure - if by "doctor" you mean mediocre webcomic artist. The problem is that Buckley clearly has no experience or knowledge of the subject matter at hand. He only introduced the miscarriage for the purposes of shock value and unnecessary drama. It also served as a plot device to write out the baby he obviously didn't want to include in the comic on a regular basis. This is not someone trying to change the direction of his comic onto more mature territory. It's simply a bad writer fumbling with an unpleasant concept he barely understands in order to increase his website traffic. Now that the deed is done, he's already wiped his hands of it and is going back to making retarded, overly worded game jokes with occasional chauvinistic undertones. Hooray!
 

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I like the serious discussion but the people who keep posting "Tim Buckley shows his penis to minors" should either realize that IT PROBABLY NEVER HAPPENED or DEMONSTRATE PROOF.

Since Tim Buckley hasn't been arrested as a child molester then I doubt that the latter will happen which leaves us with the former.

Anyways...

CAD has had serious or semi-serious bits in the past. For example the bit where Lucas' girlfriend tried to kill him with her real boyfriend. Not exactly serious because it was so far fetched but still.

As for Dominic Deegan: I have been reading the comic for a year or two now and I really like it. The author is fleshing out a very deep and involved fantasy universe. So he dealt with ONE unsavory topic. It was done in a way that is MUCH better than the way most Manga deal with anything to do with a serious topic that isn't death. (to clarify I am referring to the way in which 90% of Manga seems to devolve into shots of women's (breasts/underwear/back's while their in the shower) whenever the topic of sexuality comes up)

Do I like to talk about rape or miscarriage? Honestly no. But that doesn't mean I am going to condemn CAD or Dominic Deegan because it dealt with them. If you feel that CAD has gone in a direction that you can't stomach then go do something else besides post venomous opinions all over the internet.

Oh yeah one last thing. I honestly have no idea about the size of Tim Buckley's ego but from his news posts I wouldn't say it's that big. In general I would like hard proof (I can believe the Wikipedia edits bit without everyone linking me to a bunch of page histories) but if I had to guess Mr. Buckley has over reacted because he was afraid of what the internet would do to a bit of hearsay. If I could change one thing about the internet it would be the way in which it can take a totally unsupported statement which is not in any way true and cook up two dozen supports for it in a few days/hours.
 

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Epic Wizard said:
I like the serious discussion but the people who keep posting "Tim Buckley shows his penis to minors" should either realize that IT PROBABLY NEVER HAPPENED or DEMONSTRATE PROOF.

Since Tim Buckley hasn't been arrested as a child molester then I doubt that the latter will happen which leaves us with the former.

Anyways...

CAD has had serious or semi-serious bits in the past. For example the bit where Lucas' girlfriend tried to kill him with her real boyfriend. Not exactly serious because it was so far fetched but still.

As for Dominic Deegan: I have been reading the comic for a year or two now and I really like it. The author is fleshing out a very deep and involved fantasy universe. So he dealt with ONE unsavory topic. It was done in a way that is MUCH better than the way most Manga deal with anything to do with a serious topic that isn't death. (to clarify I am referring to the way in which 90% of Manga seems to devolve into shots of women's (breasts/underwear/back's while their in the shower) whenever the topic of sexuality comes up)

Do I like to talk about rape or miscarriage? Honestly no. But that doesn't mean I am going to condemn CAD or Dominic Deegan because it dealt with them. If you feel that CAD has gone in a direction that you can't stomach then go do something else besides post venomous opinions all over the internet.

Oh yeah one last thing. I honestly have no idea about the size of Tim Buckley's ego but from his news posts I wouldn't say it's that big. In general I would like hard proof (I can believe the Wikipedia edits bit without everyone linking me to a bunch of page histories) but if I had to guess Mr. Buckley has over reacted because he was afraid of what the internet would do to a bit of hearsay. If I could change one thing about the internet it would be the way in which it can take a totally unsupported statement which is not in any way true and cook up two dozen supports for it in a few days/hours.
First CAD, now someone mentions Deegan here again? This is too awesome.

CAD has always had serious storylines in the past...Sure, I guess you could call them "serious" but as you pointed out, they're so far fetched that they become unbelievable. Not to mention B^Uckleys ham hands don't help at all in that regard. They smother what little potential there was to be found, no matter how small that potential was. That, and the outright misogyny in a couple of those "serious" storylines that make them further laughable.

As for Terracino, his "deep and involved" fantasy universe is in no way "deep and involved" He has yet to describe anything beyond the surface level. Even there, it's a mishmash of half completed ideas.

Okay, see, there's orcs, and they're like tribal and shit with nature magic. They're pretty cool, and they're nomads for some reason, 'cause that's awesome as well. Oh, and these four armed things that live in a watery area, for some reason. They're magic, I don't have to explain it. Calaan is totally like an empire, sort of, and it's got knights and shit that do things. They've got magic too, but who cares, the only humans INTERESTING and DEEP enough to go into are the main characters, Mary-Sue and his cheerleaders, annoying talking animal that's required in every faux manga ever produced, hackneyed love interest, "random" character who's a golem but despite being fueled by evil necromantic energy is NOT in fact evil...Oh, and did I mention how super special awesome the world is yet? Yeah, it's totally bitchin'.

There's no depth to anything. In fact, I dare you to find an iota of depth in any storyline. Hell, the only interesting concept dim bulb up there has pulled out was the "elemecca" or whatever, and even then it wasn't an original idea. That's not the point though. The point is that he describes a vast amount of things on the surface and never bothers to flesh them out. Here's some nice questions, what shape does this world take/what size is it/where's a damn map so we can at least see how all these random ass geographical features fit together? How did the humans propagate so thoroughly throughout the land when everything, EVERYTHING, can punk them out physically, mentally, and magically? Assuming the races are just benevolent like that, why haven't the humans overrun the hippies, what with us being greedy, power hungry, land grabbing, assholes like we're depicted? Why is the fat necromancer "characterized" as a decent person? Regardless of intent, he's still subverting the laws of nature. He even speaks about this with the CHAMPION OF BALANCE! Does this not strike you as odd, perhaps even somewhat out of what little character they have?

That ranting done, we don't care that it went in a "different direction" we care that it was horribly handled despite being planned out well in advance. Things done far in advance shouldn't be this bad, if for no other reason than the writer had plenty of time to polish his ideas. Unfortunately Buckley writes, as stated earlier, with ham hands. He's ham handed. What little saving grace there could have been was washed away by his own ineptitude as a "writer".

Yes, because we all should be judged by the place in which we act in the most professional manner possible, not how we act EVERYWHERE! Here, look at his ED page. Despite ED being 'tard central, the information they gather on "web personalities" or what have you is impeccable. So much better it is to lynch a man with a cord he himself has wrought. Yes, nothing satisfies like watching a person hang themselves with their own actions and the "people" at ED know this. Take a look, and behold your proof, also included is info on his webcomic...just for shits and giggles.

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Tim_Buckley
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/CTRL_ALT_Delete

As for the internet's ability to support unsupported information...Buh? If it's supported, it's not unsupported. Perhaps you mean the "support" lacks credence, but you may want to state that. Either way, look at the ED pages again. Long story short, if this doesn't convince you nothing short of Buckley spitting in your face will.

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Well heres my thought: CAD wasnt bad for a long while. Its sense of humour was right for me, it even got sorta better mid way through. Then it took a trip to shitty town but despite myself, i still read it and the last two had a pretty funny punchline. I dont read CAD forums because it will be full of ass and suck from the fanbois and general retard-trolls anywway...sort of like the few shambling around here. ZeroPunc though has always been good, from the very start. I dont know this post turned into a comparison between them...dont know why...anyway. CAD has buggered itself with barbed wire and should be able to drag itself out of the shit if Tim decides he isnt very funny when dealing with SRS BZNS. I read that back to myself and go bwuh. Meh
 

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This video is rather buggy for me. I was able to watch it through but whenever I try and access it it gets to "so you saw penny Arcade and how much money, prestige and money they get for 9 panels a week" and then it cuts itself off and stops playing o.o
Just thought I'd point it out.
 

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Yeah the video cuts off after a certain point. And jesus, in 6 years the guy is allowed to make one error of judgement and cut it off quickly. No reason to devour and pick away at his comic.
 

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Baneat said:
Yeah the video cuts off after a certain point. And jesus, in 6 years the guy is allowed to make one error of judgement and cut it off quickly. No reason to devour and pick away at his comic.
Yes, because that's the whole argument...A single mistake brings down undying scorn upon his head. I'd ask, but I somehow doubt you paid any attention to what people have stated.


As for ED, it's useful when one wants to learn about any "web personalities" as they have fanatics working in that department.
 

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I've obviously missed this whole feud between Buckley and Yahtzee... but personal vendettas aside, the flash was hilarious. End of story. I'm a raving fan of a few webcomics so I got my back up a little over some of the calls he made (How can you dislike VG Cats, I ask you? It has cats!) but I still loved it. After all, it's the sweeping generalisations, obsessive nit picking and shameless subjectivism that we love about the guy. Along with the fast talking and accent. *rambles off into fangirlness*

And yes, I'm aware that this post makes little to no intelligent or relevant contribution to the current argument, but I wanted to say it so I did.
 

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Heh, look. I did follow up after all.

Do you know what I love about this forum rant in particular? It's how the people who claim to hate Tim Buckley and his comic still know enough about it and him, and obviously read the comic enough to gain an educated view of it to hate it up close.

Because if you didn't then you are simply basing your vitriol on a small number of exposures. Or on someone else's point of view. If you hate it so much don't read it. Try not loading the page. See how that fits. The web is such a wonderful place purely for the point that you can avoid seeing what you don't want to see. No one can force you. This is why I watch ZPs reviews and read CAD.

If there is a site I don't want to look at then I avoid it and, and here's the cunning bit, I don't go off my tit at others telling people how full of poo the site is. Probably a character flaw or something and certainly came from being brought up to say nice, or at least constructive things, but there you go.
 

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Tempdude0 said:
First CAD, now someone mentions Deegan here again? This is too awesome.

CAD has always had serious storylines in the past...Sure, I guess you could call them "serious" but as you pointed out, they're so far fetched that they become unbelievable. Not to mention B^Uckleys ham hands don't help at all in that regard. They smother what little potential there was to be found, no matter how small that potential was. That, and the outright misogyny in a couple of those "serious" storylines that make them further laughable.
Not even sure what you meant by this last bit but as for the rest of it I (and I admit this may be because I have a hard time recognizing bad writing, I just know writing I do not enjoy reading) don't see why he is considered so ham handed. Then again I also don't know why people do and think quite a few things. (like that ED is in any way reputable but I'll get to that in a minute)

Tempdude0 said:
As for Terracino, his "deep and involved" fantasy universe is in no way "deep and involved" He has yet to describe anything beyond the surface level. Even there, it's a mishmash of half completed ideas.

Okay, see, there's orcs, and they're like tribal and shit with nature magic. They're pretty cool, and they're nomads for some reason, 'cause that's awesome as well. Oh, and these four armed things that live in a watery area, for some reason. They're magic, I don't have to explain it. Calaan is totally like an empire, sort of, and it's got knights and shit that do things. They've got magic too, but who cares, the only humans INTERESTING and DEEP enough to go into are the main characters, Mary-Sue and his cheerleaders, annoying talking animal that's required in every faux manga ever produced, hackneyed love interest, "random" character who's a golem but despite being fueled by evil necromantic energy is NOT in fact evil...Oh, and did I mention how super special awesome the world is yet? Yeah, it's totally bitchin'.
I hate to say it but... I would REALLY like to see you do better. Speaking as someone who plays around with world building with his friends in his spare time let me tell you how HORRENDOUSLY hard it is to do let alone flesh out in a comic format. I mean what do you want? A page every so often that's just a map? Those are great as extras but I really REALLY like the character development of Dominic Deegan more than I need to know about the inter-tribal relations and customs of a dozen different Orc Tribes.

Oh yes and the 'evil golem' bit... This is where I will have to call you out on either not reading Dominic Deegan very thoroughly or at the very least not thinking about it much. A KEY thematic element in Dominic Deegan is the COMPLETE lack of black and white in his world. Every time it looks like a definite has cropped up it goes away again. If you don't like it then that's your right but I wish you would just leave it at that and say it's bad story telling because books and novels that have been read by MILLIONS of people who liked them are full of it.

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There's no depth to anything. In fact, I dare you to find an iota of depth in any storyline. Hell, the only interesting concept dim bulb up there has pulled out was the "elemecca" or whatever, and even then it wasn't an original idea. That's not the point though. The point is that he describes a vast amount of things on the surface and never bothers to flesh them out. Here's some nice questions, what shape does this world take/what size is it/where's a damn map so we can at least see how all these random ass geographical features fit together? How did the humans propagate so thoroughly throughout the land when everything, EVERYTHING, can punk them out physically, mentally, and magically? Assuming the races are just benevolent like that, why haven't the humans overrun the hippies, what with us being greedy, power hungry, land grabbing, assholes like we're depicted? Why is the fat necromancer "characterized" as a decent person? Regardless of intent, he's still subverting the laws of nature. He even speaks about this with the CHAMPION OF BALANCE! Does this not strike you as odd, perhaps even somewhat out of what little character they have?
It strikes me as the very point I made up above. Necromancy is not in and of itself inherently bad and as he said himself he does not subvert the laws of nature.

As for the whole 'humans as weaklings': First of all if you will recall the DETAILS of the first Callanian-Orc war the Callanian made extensive use of Infernomancers and were the ones to originally develop the art. Also they don't get, as you said, stomped by all of their neighbors precisely because they are 1. still alive and 2. a lot of anthropological stuff that you will probably laugh off as impractical or non-applicable but which boils down to the same reasons we managed to evolve in a world populated by sharks, tigers, and lions. None of these were ever bent on wiping us out and all are limited in some way by geography (sharks can't walk on land and tigers can't swim very far or climb mountains).

Tempdude0 said:
That ranting done, we don't care that it went in a "different direction" we care that it was horribly handled despite being planned out well in advance. Things done far in advance shouldn't be this bad, if for no other reason than the writer had plenty of time to polish his ideas. Unfortunately Buckley writes, as stated earlier, with ham hands. He's ham handed. What little saving grace there could have been was washed away by his own ineptitude as a "writer".
Again I don't really get how this was all so bad and I wish someone would please spell it out for me so I could learn something from all of this except how to not ignore walls of text.

Tempdude0 said:
Yes, because we all should be judged by the place in which we act in the most professional manner possible, not how we act EVERYWHERE! Here, look at his ED page. Despite ED being 'tard central, the information they gather on "web personalities" or what have you is impeccable.
Just for my edification how can the information be impeccable when they don't site their sources and are, as you said, ' 'tard central' and have done nothing to change this. I bet any decently researched things which I added to ED's page on Tim Buckley would be gone by the next day.

Tempdude0 said:
So much better it is to lynch a man with a cord he himself has wrought. Yes, nothing satisfies like watching a person hang themselves with their own actions and the "people" at ED know this. Take a look, and behold your proof, also included is info on his webcomic...just for shits and giggles.



http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Tim_Buckley
http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/CTRL_ALT_Delete
What proof? There is one sentence there about the aforementioned incident and absolutely nothing in the way of a citation should I want to check this for myself. And as for the ED article on CAD. Large amounts of the text in that article seem to have either been pasted from or into this thread which does nothing for its credibility. I have no knowledge of the CAD forums beyond a brief stint there during the arc where Lucas's Girlfriend tried to kill him and that was relegated to a single thread. Besides which I honestly don't care. The internet is full of poorly moderated forums and I seriously doubt that the CAD forums are the worst of the bunch or that they even rate in the worst half of internet forums. (as I said this is pure conjecture and should not be taken as anything more than that)

Tempdude0 said:
As for the internet's ability to support unsupported information...Buh? If it's supported, it's not unsupported. Perhaps you mean the "support" lacks credence, but you may want to state that. Either way, look at the ED pages again. Long story short, if this doesn't convince you nothing short of Buckley spitting in your face will.
I thought I was questioning the validity of the aforementioned sources (like ED by the way) and that this was the entire point of my comment. You are right in one respect though. This doesn't convince me and I very much doubt that anything that isn't factually supported will convince me. The only point here that is remotely provable is the sexual harassment and I doubt that will ever do anything more than die away since there doesn't seem to be ANY proof of it. If you would care to find proof then be my guest but if it existed then I bet Tim Buckley would have been arrested by now.

Tempdude0 said:
Ten minute rant-o-matic has completed it's duties. One Wall 'o Text free of charge.
This took more like fifteen minutes and it's more of an expansion to a wall of text. It is free of charge though.


Oh yes this deserves a bit of praise and note:

Grey_Area said:
Heh, look. I did follow up after all.

Do you know what I love about this forum rant in particular? It's how the people who claim to hate Tim Buckley and his comic still know enough about it and him, and obviously read the comic enough to gain an educated view of it to hate it up close.

Because if you didn't then you are simply basing your vitriol on a small number of exposures. Or on someone else's point of view. If you hate it so much don't read it. Try not loading the page. See how that fits. The web is such a wonderful place purely for the point that you can avoid seeing what you don't want to see. No one can force you. This is why I watch ZPs reviews and read CAD.

If there is a site I don't want to look at then I avoid it and, and here's the cunning bit, I don't go off my tit at others telling people how full of poo the site is. Probably a character flaw or something and certainly came from being brought up to say nice, or at least constructive things, but there you go.
I admire your restraint sir and many here could learn from your example. FYI though this is FAR from 'off my tit' XD That looks more like a raving lunatic and contains exponentially more profanity. Oh and my posts get longer as I begin to pick apart individual sentences. XD
 

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Oh my.... I feel I should apologize to Yahtzee. I thought this whole miscarriage part was some crazy un-tasteful idea to make fun of comics. But as usual the truth is stranger then fiction...