Zero Punctuation: Webcomics
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Yeah when he made the CADbortion series, I was still reading the comic. However it was at that point that I think many people (including me) realized that there was no point to reading the comic since its story was drab and predictable and the comic as a whole was quite boring. The blogs that came with it were the most boring of all.Melo The Yellow said:
As the link was showing, people are ignoring CAD now. It's just that we want him to improve and stop crying about criticism, so he can be more entertaining, get more viewers and earn more money. That's the point of feedback isn't it?Sennz0r said:
What is a man? Not a miserable pile of secrets as Dracula would have us believe. No, it's not even the sum of his or her actions or their contributions given to society. The actions are not worthless int he summation of one's character though.
Our identity resides in our beliefs. If we looked to our actions to gather who we were, how would we face the uncertainty of the future? Why prescribe to being a relegious zealot? Are you not trading away your identity by doing so? What of Buckley? Who is the man who worships himself? Does he even know what he worships?
It is the morals, beliefs, ideals and reasons that determine our choices. This is who we are. This is where our worth as a person resides.
Buckley is a hedonist and a narcissist. From the poor quality of his comic, to the e-mails of his childish gloating and a multitude of other things we can see what exactly it is that Timothy Buckley believes.
What good is money when you're bankrupt? What use are you when you're as shallow as the constantly pasted doodle you consider quality? An empty person. Pitiful. Try as he might to celebrate himself and crowd his company with 'friends" but like every other man, he will die alone. We all die alone. If he does not know, like and understand himself...he has nothing.
Our identity resides in our beliefs. If we looked to our actions to gather who we were, how would we face the uncertainty of the future? Why prescribe to being a relegious zealot? Are you not trading away your identity by doing so? What of Buckley? Who is the man who worships himself? Does he even know what he worships?
It is the morals, beliefs, ideals and reasons that determine our choices. This is who we are. This is where our worth as a person resides.
Buckley is a hedonist and a narcissist. From the poor quality of his comic, to the e-mails of his childish gloating and a multitude of other things we can see what exactly it is that Timothy Buckley believes.
What good is money when you're bankrupt? What use are you when you're as shallow as the constantly pasted doodle you consider quality? An empty person. Pitiful. Try as he might to celebrate himself and crowd his company with 'friends" but like every other man, he will die alone. We all die alone. If he does not know, like and understand himself...he has nothing.
Hm, he also takes a stab at Bob and George with the megaman sprite reference. I don't think pixel comics are bad, like "A Modest Destiny" (which was written by Squidi who is quite hansom as opposed to overweight curmudgeon) when it's original work. I remember trying to read Bob and George, but just thought the comic style was so un-inspired it was hard to look at.
On second thought though Squidi did "quit" the internet when him and Penny Arcade decided to have a mud throwing contest, so he is a bit of a curmudgeon.
On second thought though Squidi did "quit" the internet when him and Penny Arcade decided to have a mud throwing contest, so he is a bit of a curmudgeon.
Hold your horses, Buckley did it all by himself, with his own money funding someone else to do it and even they couldn't save it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0eYbXCF9mw&eurl=http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/CTRL_ALT_DeleteBlayze said:
Ironically, I'd all but given up on the repetitive nature of the comic until the miscarriage plotline peaked my interest. I was just so bloody tired of it all. Around the time of the Choose Your Own Adventure plot, I noticed that Buckley also seemed willing to actually make Ethan suffer for his actions. Then this plot showed that the world will not bend reality itself just so Ethan is always happy.
When it has zero continuity, it's just a weak Penny Arcade. When it has logical continuity, it's something I'd actually want to read.
Taste is subjective - except on the Internet, where not only is taste not subjective, you must be culled from the face of the earth should you not have the right taste. Witness the utter castigation and shitstorm in this thread when David_Cat had the *sheer audacity* to speak his personal opinion.
When it has zero continuity, it's just a weak Penny Arcade. When it has logical continuity, it's something I'd actually want to read.
Taste is subjective - except on the Internet, where not only is taste not subjective, you must be culled from the face of the earth should you not have the right taste. Witness the utter castigation and shitstorm in this thread when David_Cat had the *sheer audacity* to speak his personal opinion.
Not being a reader of CAD, I was wondering why Tim Buckley was getting so much heat. There are two of them apparently...
On the plus side for CAD, apparently a bad review from ZP is worth a million times more publicity than any number of good reviews from anywhere else.
On the plus side for CAD, apparently a bad review from ZP is worth a million times more publicity than any number of good reviews from anywhere else.
true, but his forums will come to a standstill (And i think already have, since it's taken me 2 minutes to load the ZP forum post that's been put on) and then it'll all die down a bit after a few weeks when people realise why they don't go there regularly.neems said:
When I first heard of Yahtzee's disdain of CAD, I was kind of surprised. I wasn't born yesterday, I know he's making a living from being a cynical, critical asshat, which I love him for. But this seemed a little more than a dig at a bad game, it was almost personal in a way. Regardless, I read his argument, looked at the examples, and agreed. Not because I'm a rampant fanboy, but because I just don't find CAD funny. It's like the kid at school who tries so hard to be the class clown so everyone loves him for being so witty and funny, but everyone sees straight through him.
I decided to read a few comics, regardless. All I got was "OOOOHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOO MISCARRIAGE" then "BANG, BACK TO UNFUNNY GAME JOEKS TEIM!
DD". I thought I got it all wrong, so I read the news post. And my god, what a truck load of self-absorbed bull. He ran the miscarriage line so it didn't turn into a "parent-kiddy comic", or words to that effect. Then why brew a story line to just abort it? I mean, you know, you COULD just not have got the lead female character pregnant in the first time and let all the poor misguided readers, a lot of which I bet couldn't even begin to understand the tragedy of the event, have the 5 hours or so of their life. Then he thanks readers for their support?! What, for a poorly thought out story line? Sure, if this was relative to his life, but I'm sure he pointed out it didn't.
And then, of course, there's Buckley's dictatorly stance on censorship, of which I'm sure even ol' Bob Mugabe would be proud of. Even if he didn't do it, wiping all posts of any alleged flashing a minor incident is NOT the way to go about clearing your name. If anything, it makes it sound like he has something to hide. Criticism? Oh no. Yahtzee has his critics, however, he doesn't try and smite them with any banhammer. He just mercilessly takes the piss out of them. Criticism is to be expected in ANY art form, I should know being a musician. If he can't handle that, maybe he should consider a career change. Or even a frontal lobotomy. And all the closing of the topic slating the video sounds like to me is not Buckley "trying to be mature" or the bigger man, just that he can't think of a pseudo-humorous comment to make back. However, I have no doubt he'll pipe up somewhere in 7 to 8 months time.
I decided to read a few comics, regardless. All I got was "OOOOHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOO MISCARRIAGE" then "BANG, BACK TO UNFUNNY GAME JOEKS TEIM!
DD". I thought I got it all wrong, so I read the news post. And my god, what a truck load of self-absorbed bull. He ran the miscarriage line so it didn't turn into a "parent-kiddy comic", or words to that effect. Then why brew a story line to just abort it? I mean, you know, you COULD just not have got the lead female character pregnant in the first time and let all the poor misguided readers, a lot of which I bet couldn't even begin to understand the tragedy of the event, have the 5 hours or so of their life. Then he thanks readers for their support?! What, for a poorly thought out story line? Sure, if this was relative to his life, but I'm sure he pointed out it didn't.And then, of course, there's Buckley's dictatorly stance on censorship, of which I'm sure even ol' Bob Mugabe would be proud of. Even if he didn't do it, wiping all posts of any alleged flashing a minor incident is NOT the way to go about clearing your name. If anything, it makes it sound like he has something to hide. Criticism? Oh no. Yahtzee has his critics, however, he doesn't try and smite them with any banhammer. He just mercilessly takes the piss out of them. Criticism is to be expected in ANY art form, I should know being a musician. If he can't handle that, maybe he should consider a career change. Or even a frontal lobotomy. And all the closing of the topic slating the video sounds like to me is not Buckley "trying to be mature" or the bigger man, just that he can't think of a pseudo-humorous comment to make back. However, I have no doubt he'll pipe up somewhere in 7 to 8 months time.
i hate you. i used to like cad, then it got less funny but there were still some good ones. the miscarriage thing was really hard to ignore buti had to see if it would get better. and now that i saw the youtube of the animated series....i dont think i will ever look at cad the same way again.Melo The Yellow said:
The problem with webcomics is that the barrier for entry is pretty much nonexistent, so talentless hacks can post whatever the hell they want, no matter how crappy. This leads to some bad ideas making it past all sorts of filtering, which only leads to trouble.
Newspaper comics have editors that review them... although to be fair, a lot of crappy stuff gets onto the newspaper's comic page too... in a local paper here, there's one comic that manages to be worse, in both story AND art, than a good three-quarters of the webcomics on the net. It's called "Real Life Adventures" (not to be confused with the "Real Life" webcomic) and its art level would be inexcusable even if it was made by ONE person, but it's actually made by TWO people, and the artwork is still so unbelievably terrible that it makes me want to retch. Oh, and the jokes are pathetic. So yes, there's a lot of stuff that DOES make it past editors too.
As for webcomics, there are a few good ones out there. And, quite frankly, I think criticizing the bad ones is like shooting fish in a barrel (which is why I don't think of John Solomon as quite the comedic genius or "lone hero" he claims... after all, anyone can do what he can do), I think there needs to be more attention paid to the good ones.
A few recommendations:
xkcd [http://xkcd.com], obviously, especially my favorite comic in any medium of all time [http://xkcd.com/386/].
Venus Envy [http://venusenvy.comicgenesis.com/], a really touching story, semi-autobiographical but dealing with some real social issues.
Misfile [http://www.misfile.com/], a superbly drawn and written comic, absolutely hilarious.
Newspaper comics have editors that review them... although to be fair, a lot of crappy stuff gets onto the newspaper's comic page too... in a local paper here, there's one comic that manages to be worse, in both story AND art, than a good three-quarters of the webcomics on the net. It's called "Real Life Adventures" (not to be confused with the "Real Life" webcomic) and its art level would be inexcusable even if it was made by ONE person, but it's actually made by TWO people, and the artwork is still so unbelievably terrible that it makes me want to retch. Oh, and the jokes are pathetic. So yes, there's a lot of stuff that DOES make it past editors too.
As for webcomics, there are a few good ones out there. And, quite frankly, I think criticizing the bad ones is like shooting fish in a barrel (which is why I don't think of John Solomon as quite the comedic genius or "lone hero" he claims... after all, anyone can do what he can do), I think there needs to be more attention paid to the good ones.
A few recommendations:
xkcd [http://xkcd.com], obviously, especially my favorite comic in any medium of all time [http://xkcd.com/386/].
Venus Envy [http://venusenvy.comicgenesis.com/], a really touching story, semi-autobiographical but dealing with some real social issues.
Misfile [http://www.misfile.com/], a superbly drawn and written comic, absolutely hilarious.
That's not a joke. That's 3 panels of black, and a final panel trying to explain why the first three were funny. Oh, to be seven again...RaiDK said:
So if someone shouted out to thousands of people in a public place that you were a pedophile and many others piped up also saying you were, you'd smile and walk away? I'm sure anyone in that situation would be issuing some swift kicks to the nuts.Soviet Joe said:When I first heard of Yahtzee's disdain of CAD, I was kind of surprised. I wasn't born yesterday, I know he's making a living from being a cynical, critical asshat, which I love him for. But this seemed a little more than a dig at a bad game, it was almost personal in a way. Regardless, I read his argument, looked at the examples, and agreed. Not because I'm a rampant fanboy, but because I just don't find CAD funny. It's like the kid at school who tries so hard to be the class clown so everyone loves him for being so witty and funny, but everyone sees straight through him.
I decided to read a few comics, regardless. All I got was "OOOOHHHHH NOOOOOOOOOO MISCARRIAGE" then "BANG, BACK TO UNFUNNY GAME JOEKS TEIM!
And then, of course, there's Buckley's dictatorly stance on censorship, of which I'm sure even ol' Bob Mugabe would be proud of. Even if he didn't do it, wiping all posts of any alleged flashing a minor incident is NOT the way to go about clearing your name. If anything, it makes it sound like he has something to hide. Criticism? Oh no. Yahtzee has his critics, however, he doesn't try and smite them with any banhammer. He just mercilessly takes the piss out of them. Criticism is to be expected in ANY art form, I should know being a musician. If he can't handle that, maybe he should consider a career change. Or even a frontal lobotomy. And all the closing of the topic slating the video sounds like to me is not Buckley "trying to be mature" or the bigger man, just that he can't think of a pseudo-humorous comment to make back. However, I have no doubt he'll pipe up somewhere in 7 to 8 months time.