http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHMuwlchhmMsubtlefuge said:
Deadly Premonition is incredible, it's quite like a mix between Silent Hill and Grand Theft Auto with brilliantly bizarre dialogue and storyline.
Zero Punctuation: Yakuza 4
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Deadly Premonition is incredible, it's quite like a mix between Silent Hill and Grand Theft Auto with brilliantly bizarre dialogue and storyline.
Fair enough. A more precise word to use would be prejudiced. So let's instead use "borderline prejudiced". And I know that it's a joke. But even so it's still a joke that could easily offend someone. Even if a person doesn't actually mean any harm that doesn't excuse the use of offensive language. It's like if a non-African American person used a certain N word in a humorous and off-handed manner without meaning any harm. I think it's safe to say that any self respecting African American would still take offense, and understandably so.Ace IV said:
I guess it's all a matter of respect and good manners. Which are arguably things that Yahtzee arguably often lacks. But even when your purpose is to be ill-mannered in a humorous and sarcastic way there are still certain lines that are best left alone.
I may have to make Demon Alligator Charles Darwin my avatar.
Also, someone should make a video containing all of Yahtzee's analogies to explain how the gameplay and story SHOULD interact, followed by how the interact (or don't) in a particular game.
Because he's made a lot of them.
Also, someone should make a video containing all of Yahtzee's analogies to explain how the gameplay and story SHOULD interact, followed by how the interact (or don't) in a particular game.
Because he's made a lot of them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zv0w6k1VQ4&list=SL There you are.subtlefuge said:
OT: I always get sandbox games, all excited to play them and have a fun times romp around, but then I end up bored within a week.
I think you are splitting hairs on that, but what we are really trying to say is -- you like that it's Japanese and I don't. You don't have to justify why you like it any more than I have to justify why I don't. I was simply stating I would not buy that game for that reason -- but that I did not have it on my "to buy" list anyways.A1 said:
With all due respect to you, why are you so set on telling me I made a mistake or that my opinion is wrong? In lieu of my opinion (I believe I have settled that case above)why do you keep harping on my use of Kung Fu in reference to a Japan-based game. I didn't make a mistake I was using the terminology from the video. Yahtzee said the 4 had amazing Kung Fu skills -- I made reference to that in my post. That's where I got it from -- it was not a "mistake" it was referential. I was not trying to offend your or any other person's cultural sensibilities. Having done ZERO research into each individual's fighting style (again not interested in the game) I figured going with what it was called in the video was a safe bet.
no you don't, it has the right idea but the execution is absolutely terrible. That being said, i liked the Princess Maker reference as wellsubtlefuge said:
Heh, solid jokes overall. Weren't looking into this game, so the review haven't moved me either way though.
It's not like there aren't unusual offerings [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/95937-This-Is-the-Best-Trailer-for-a-Japanese-Porn-Game-Ever] coming out of Japan (and into the West; I'm so getting that one for the sheer hilarity when it's released here) to warrant poking a bit of good-natured fun at, and there aren't any real malice behind it, nor hardly an exceedingly foolish assumption that this is what most Japanese people actually like.
Anyone offended by something behind which there is no malice need to toughen up anyway. Trying to censor or persecuting others based on one's own offence, when there's no actual discernible harm to what they say or do, is a far greater problem than entirely harmless jokes of varying taste.
How on earth would humorously stating that the Japanese are into some weird stuff - i.e. roughly the equivalent of "those cheeky Japanese" - be anywhere near crossing the exceedingly far off line for what satire and sarcasm can bear?A1 said:
It's not like there aren't unusual offerings [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/95937-This-Is-the-Best-Trailer-for-a-Japanese-Porn-Game-Ever] coming out of Japan (and into the West; I'm so getting that one for the sheer hilarity when it's released here) to warrant poking a bit of good-natured fun at, and there aren't any real malice behind it, nor hardly an exceedingly foolish assumption that this is what most Japanese people actually like.
Anyone offended by something behind which there is no malice need to toughen up anyway. Trying to censor or persecuting others based on one's own offence, when there's no actual discernible harm to what they say or do, is a far greater problem than entirely harmless jokes of varying taste.
Yahtzee described it pretty well. It's like a whorehouse without the sex. You pretty much show up and pay for time with a companion to talk to or whatever. Think of it like what an escort service is in it's official capacity, except you go to them, instead of having them go somewhere with you to be seen.zombie711 said:
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As far as the bit about the 14 year old Detective, I've asked similar questions about things like that. It's a popular theme in a lot of Japanese fiction, you see characters like that in "Persona" and anime like "Sukeban Deka". I'm not into anime as much as I once was, but the basic gist of it is that the laws and standards of morality are differant in Japan, and they are more likely to risk children in dangerous occupations. They have kids that work for the police that they use for spies and infiltrators for youth gangs, or to go into places where they will hopefully be dismissed as merely being harmless kids. It's sort of like the basic premise of "21 Jump Street" or "The Mod Squad" taken to an extreme in reality.
Of course what we're seeing in fiction is of course an exagerration for the purpose of entertainment. These kids are rarely trained, and don't typically have any kind of actual rank in the police department. A kid like that would not be a Detective, but might work for, and accept money from the office of, a police detective. Also apparently such service gives one a leg up in entering the police as a career later on.
One also has to understand the influance of American fantasy on the Japanese, and that has included things like "teen detective" fiction (not to be confused with child detective fiction, though you can include that too). It's apparently a little more popular over there still than it is in the US, which is where things like the Anime "Spiral" came from (even though it's years old).
Viewed in context the "14 year old teen cop who can fight successfully against adults" is something of a stock character, as it appeals to a specific demographic. The Japanese being kind of warped on some levels, I'd imagine part of the point was to have a character in their violent crime game that the youth demographic could identify with so they would buy it.
... and yet again, I will point out that I think people in the US, UK, Canada, and a lot of the first world, have to understand that we're unusual in the value we put on children according to most of the global population. Our idea of child protection and what constitutes a "normal childhood" is actually pretty unusual, throughout most of the second and third world (which greatly outnumbers the first world population wise) 12-14 is young enough to be handed a gun and sent fight for (or against) the local warlord, made to work hard labour, or put out on the streets as a prostitute to bring home money. A lot of people in the US who see kids like that as being in Jr. High, or just attending High School don't really "get it". Places like Japan that are caught somewhere between first world civilization and third world barbarity tend to be a bit more unusual. They have some of the same standards about children and education, but at the same time they not only have less problem with sexualizing them, but also less difficulty with putting them in danger. Here it would be unheard of for some kid to be routinely put into a position where they could get killed (they can't agree being a minor, and the parents would never allow it) so while a kid might wear a wire or be an informant once in a while, they aren't going to work for the police in an official capacity. Over in Japan, well, it's not viewed quite the same way. The idea of some kid getting cut up by drug dealers and used as fishing bait is still terrifying (as the thought of that happening to anyone) but considered a far more acceptable risk.
Long and kind of pointless, but maybe someone would find it interesting. This is simply how I learned things when I had more interest in Japan and asked about wierd stuff like this in connection to old Animes and stuff.
Another lovely episode, well done. Seems to me he actually kinda liked it. Good for him.
And of course, i have to mention his awesome "nani".
Seems like an interesting game, i suppose. Though i doubt I'll be playing it: what I've seen so far in the trailers wasn't something i wanted that bad.
And of course, i have to mention his awesome "nani".
Seems like an interesting game, i suppose. Though i doubt I'll be playing it: what I've seen so far in the trailers wasn't something i wanted that bad.
I would absolutely play a game where the story and the gameplay combine to give you Pixies music.
You misunderstand. Yes I do like the Japanese audio but I wasn't justifying that. And I never said anything about your opinion being wrong, nor was it ever my intention to argue such a thing. I was simply defending the decision to use Japanese audio. But even so, I understand that subtitles are not for everyone. And I respect that.orangecharger said:
And yes, I admit that I made the mistake of assuming that you were making the same mistake as Yahtzee when you were really just referencing what he said. The reason I pointed the Kung Fu thing out in the first place was for purposes of cultural and political correctness. Although you could have made the fact that you were referencing Yahtzee clearer through the use quotation marks or something. Even so, I did make the wrongful assumption and it's still my fault for doing so. And for that I apologize.