Outrageous! There was absolutely no reason for that arrest!
You assume the police are the source of the issue when their actions are a symptom of another issue. We already have training programs for police officers for this kind of thing and it makes no difference so perhaps look elsewhere for your solutions to the larger problem rather than continuing slamming your head against a wall? Or if you wish to continue down your train of logic then get rid of the police system that you believe to be inherently racist and unchangeable and either have the central government police everyone (I'm sure you'd LOVE that with Trump being president) or allow criminals and right wing gun owners to become the defacto law since they have the means to enforce it.
If someone says something inconvenient then paint them in a negative light so they hopefully go away?
Continuing my train of logic gets us to reform, not dissolution:
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And we see this over and over and over again. Then they wonder why police are being treated so unfairly. Respect should not work only one way here and that seems to be what police expect to happen.
Was this meant to prove me wrong? "I'm not smug and self-satisfied! You're all just intimidated by my brave truth-telling!"
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Well generally in the past it kinda works, they were able to control the narrative better and be more of a stabilizing force against anarchy. But now that everyone has cameras and the cops seem to have much worse impulse control, we are seeing what before could have been swept under the rug. It will be interesting to see what happens with all this, might be a lot of cops fired pretty soon, might not, depends on which side is able to be seen as more sympathetic, but it really does look like the cops aren't doing themselves any favors outside of a few that seem to be good dudes.
Nothing good comes from this. Protests continue to escalate, Trump calls more and more of the military to deal with it, deaths start to pile up, November comes and Trump declares a national emergency and postpones the election until he decides its safe for him to leave office(guess when that is)
If they keep pulling the BS they did on those students in Atlanta, they will take care of the problem faster for us by having the officers causing the problems getting themselves arrested because they are all hyped up right now.
The GOP wants pastors tear gassed on live TV? They want Trumps incompetence showcased for the world to see? They want religious leaders angry at Trump for using their lord's bible in vain like that? I don't think the GOP wants any of this right now. Recalling that the it was the GOP who claimed Obama was going to declare martial law and use the military against his own people, and then turned around and elected someone who would do exactly that. I am not convinced Trump would be stupid enough to try and do away with the election, and see that as absurd at this point, nor if he had tried would anyone comply. That is not something he can do with executive order, and would not be supported by the law, he would more likely then be arrested himself if he tried such a move instead. Of course we have fringe that would support a race war, but that would cost the Republicans the majority they need to win any election.
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Something good can come from anything, it might not be worth the cost but it can easily happen. But Trump will try and do what he can but hes actually pretty limited here, like he literally cannot postpone the election. Unless he tries going above and beyond the law, which he might, but then it comes down to who else in power is willing to let him destroy the constitution blatantly. So I would put that as pretty unlikely.
Yeah, entirely possible, we might end up seeing multiple police precincts having to fire all their officers.
I was seeing that firing entire departments already needed to be done, and if this makes it happen faster without the fight they would have otherwise had to endure, that is a good thing. It makes it easier to train people appropriately when they don't have the " old baggage" of "this is how I do things" complicating their ability to implement the necessary changes. Retraining officers " set in their ways" has always proven more difficult than training them from the start the way they needed to be trained in the first place.
Whose gonna arrest him? The police? Yeah they seem like real friendly law/order people who follow the rules and aren't in this for make-believe war.The GOP wants pastors tear gassed on live TV? They want Trumps incompetence showcased for the world to see? They want religious leaders angry at Trump for using their lord's bible in vain like that? I don't think the GOP wants any of this right now. Recalling that the it was the GOP who claimed Obama was going to declare martial law and use the military against his own people, and then turned around and elected someone who would do exactly that. I am not convinced Trump would be stupid enough to try and do away with the election, and see that as absurd at this point, nor if he had tried would anyone comply. That is not something he can do with executive order, and would not be supported by the law, he would more likely then be arrested himself if he tried such a move instead. Of course we have fringe that would support a race war, but that would cost the Republicans the majority they need to win any election.
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Congress could push it back a few weeks, but the Constitution sets the end of the term on Jan. 20.
Technically, the House of Representatives or the Senate could have Trump's entire administration arrested if he was in contempt of congress, which would likely be the first course of action if Trump tried to eliminate the election. The Sergeant of Arms is who would be responsible for doing so, and considering the Sergeant of Arms is the highest ranking law enforcement position attainable, subordinates would be forced to comply or resign.
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This is your resident Republican speaking: no. Just no. The right-wing does not want a war between police and civilians. The police would lose that war, and there'd be no law and order. Republicans like law and order if that takes some policing, but if the police can to do literally nothing and reach that end, that's even better. Please no race wars.
You've still not provided anything of actual merit other than to sling mud. Lil claimed that the corona virus was irrelevant yet Obsidian pointed out a clear argument that it is exactly BECAUSE of the virus that the people have been backed into a corner and now feel the need to do something. I said I saw the logic in what he said yet you continue to act as if this did not occur.
The police are not in fact the problem but a symptom of the problem. In order to deal with the issue, the actual economic reasons for why these communities are poor, and thus more prone to have crime, and thus the major areas the police must interact with when dealing with crime, is the thing that must be addressed. We cannot turn back the clock to the end of the Civil War and change how poorly it was handled in regards to integrating the now freed black people into society so endlessly pointing this out ad nauseam without actually making meaningful action is pointless. Either the people in these extremely poor areas need to be moved somewhere where they actually have the means to better their situation with the aid given or whatever is in these neighborhoods that could be turned into a method of improving their lives needs to be found. Just handing these poor neighborhoods housing, money, or food without also creating something long term does not work, we've been trying it for years with no success which means a new solution must be taken as apposed to having them be little more than serfs clinging to the small handouts given by the government.Continuing my train of logic gets us to reform, not dissolution:
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I'm for rioting until that sick power tripping murderer is locked up instead of the coincidentally black reporter on the scene of the protest. They will keep doing this shit as long as they keep getting away with it. What power do you really have when politeness is either ignored, dismissed as...We have yet to do what is necessary. The problems DO lie with our policing and the organizations that empower and enable abuse. This can be resolved, and the idea that vigilantes should be involved is inane, the entire us vs them mindset and failure to treat all of your community with respect is what adds to the abuse, not solves it.Paint who with a negative light? The agitators and those escalating the violence? Of course they should paint them with a negative light, they are the problem, not the solution. We have to remove the racists, bullies and predators from the police force. I never said it was unchangeable. It most certainly is changeable and I know exactly what needs to change here.National Guard called into Minneapolis
I'm for rioting until that sick power tripping murderer is locked up instead of the coincidentally black reporter on the scene of the protest. They will keep doing this shit as long as they keep getting away with it. What power do you really have when politeness is either ignored, dismissed as...
Well then you're simply not a Republican, you're just conservative. Republicans and the GOP are the cult of Trump, and have been for years.
Racism, classism, entitlement, arrogance, yea many causes here, but you have to start addressing the symptoms before you can get to the heart of the problem. Since we cannot stop " GREED" or " HATRED" in general, we can alt least stop people from obtaining positions in society where they can use their positions to inflict harm upon members of society. Even if we elimiated poverty in the US, we would STILL have to contend with groups like the KKK and Identity Evropa infiltrating our law enforcement, military and immigration departments in order to cause harm and carry out their agenda. This is a long known and widespread problem that we have not properly addressed at all here.
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