Scott Cawthon (FNaF guy) cancelled

[TheMysteriousGX]

Speaking of "woke", the reflexive and excessive bashing of any perceived wokeness of a new show based on descriptions of contents, still images, and who it's creators are is Cancel Culture, right?

Because I've seen more than a few weird nerds lamenting Telia potentially being a prominent character in the new He-Man show, or complaining that the new superman show is a travesty because Lois Lane has a tan and Jimmy Olson is black, or the fact that Crunchyroll is never actually going to be able to release High Guardian Spice because weebs are as dumb as a bag of hammers. That's literally a Cancel, right?

Other kids cartoons have been bashed on for years by the "get woke go broke" crowd despite doing very well for themselves. Kinda missed the boat on the "go broke" part.

 

[Buyetyen]

Neither does it justify accusing someone of bigotry.

So 2 wrongs make a right?

Did i say they were making it all up?

It's like the "marginalized" are creating their own enemies, thus creating justification for their issues that were most made up originally.

Your words, my dude.

 

[Buyetyen]

That's mostly meant as a joke TBF. But I can see how being called bigoted or whatever would lead to an argument in which the accused would say some bigoted name calling just out of frustration.

That's generally referred to as "being a bad person." I really don't give a shit what names you get called, it doesn't justify bigotry, especially when you ostensibly know better.

There are some that believe even uttering a word under any context means you are 100% racist end of story. And that's frustrating because things done in anger don't always equal real feelings.

Anger is like alcohol. It doesn't give you bad ideas, it just makes bad ideas you already had sound better. Anger is a shallow emotion that requires more to inform it, but that doesn't make it less real.

If someone accuses me of being racist and I respond by calling them a racial slur, just for the sake of example, I'm still in the wrong.

 

[CriticalGaming]

Anger is like alcohol. It doesn't give you bad ideas

I'm pretty sure that time I got drunk and decided to sleep in a bird fountain was an idea I had repressed deep down somewhere.

 

[Hades]

to being able to embarrassingly fix the Falcon in front of Han without even trying. "haha I just fixed it because I'm just soooooo great at everything." Kind of stuff. I get why people didn't like Rey.

I don't think this one makes a lot of sense. When I see a ''true geek channel'' on Youtube make this argument I tend to assume they aren't nearly as familiar with Star Wars as they want to make their audience think that they are.

Because Empire strongly implied Han was never any good at maintaining the Falcon. Also the Falcon was parked in Rey's backward for a decade and she takes apart ships for a living. I actually don't find it hard to believe she'd be a better mechanic than Han.

It's NOT SEXISM, your movie is just SHIT. There is a difference.

That's true. But the usual suspects on the right try very hard to insist it really is just sexism. The alt right rabbit hole typically takes the tone of ''See! Do you SEE that WOMAN ruin EVERYTHING!'' rather than blaming the writing. Its worth noting that Holdo and not Snoke or Hux is their representation of all that's wrong with the sequels. Rather than saying the movie is bad on its own terms they insist its bad because sjw's got their hands on it and that the problems stem from that.

 

[ObsidianJones]

It's all good man.

Look I'm not against social issues, nor do I deny that there are some things that need societal work. But as a cis-white dude, I hate being accused of being racist or sexist by default.

Nothing makes non-bigoted people become bigoted more than being ACCUSED of being bigoted. It's like the "marginalized" are creating their own enemies, thus creating justification for their issues that were most made up originally.

I'm keeping the whole quote in so you can know that I see you and I hear all that you say. This comment of course isn't directed to you because you are not bigoted. As you clearly state and have shown.

That being said, I must state that I think your last statement is false for the most part.

I think people who were on the fence of being bigoted, who have some bigoted ideas, will become more bigoted if they are called a bigot.

I've been called a cop hater many times. No matter the fact that I almost became one, speaking out about the unrestricted freedom gifted by the government and upheld by a callous populous makes me a cop hater. I didn't become a cop hater once. I even say that I don't believe ACAB, and that is as bad as believing all blacks are criminal.

People who won't admit to themselves who they are will use such accusations as "well, I HAVE to become X because I have no choice if people already see me like that!"

I didn't become a criminal because people thought I was. I didn't become threatening because people thought I was. I didn't become a cop hater, a communist, a gun nut, a white hater, the destruction of America, etc because people decided I was these things. I stayed the course and was true to my actual principles. As most people who are true to themselves will be.

Hell, if it was just that easy to make someone something by just calling them that, why don't people just starting yelling nice things to each other so we get a better world?

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

I don't think this one makes a lot of sense. When I see a ''true geek channel'' on Youtube make this argument I tend to assume they aren't nearly as familiar with Star Wars as they want to make their audience think that they are.

Because Empire strongly implied Han was never any good at maintaining the Falcon. Also the Falcon was parked in Rey's backward for a decade and she takes apart ships for a living. I actually don't find it hard to believe she'd be a better mechanic than Han.

I'm one of the rare few people that loves Solo the movie, and my favorite part is that Han Solo is a lucky bullshit artist with a heart of gold who *thinks* he's hardened criminal. It perfectly characterizes the Han Solo we actually see in the movies, aka, has to have C3P0 talk to the Falcon to run a diagnostic.

 

[CriticalGaming]

Hell, if it was just that easy to make someone something by just calling them that, why don't people just starting yelling nice things to each other so we get a better world?

Evolution has promoted the mentality of latching onto and remembering the negative.

Why is the news always bad news, because people watch more news if it is bad. It is an evolutionary response, because if something bad is happening you pay attention to it incase you need to run or fight whatever the thing is. Good things are nice when they happen but are not nearly as memorable in the immediate if they don't directly apply to us.

You don't remember that kid in high school getting an A on the test, you remember your F on that test. I would doubt that many (if any) people could name the captain of the high school football team during the years they went there. Yet if your sister got 1st place in a science fair you would remember that, because it's an immediate thing related to you.

Why do we know about OJ Simpson's trial? Why do we remember the L.A. Riots? Even people in other countries know those events, because negative stuff is evolutarily designed to stick with us. It gets news ratings, it affects us more.

So yelling nice things, isn't so much a thing. Though to be fair, construction workers used to compliment ladies all the time as they walked by, but that's sexism these days so even compliments aren't safe anymore.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Ironically, also why the "Get woke, go broke" crowd still uses that as a mantra despite most "woke" media doing fine.

 

[BrawlMan]

Ironically, also why the "Get woke, go broke" crowd still uses that as a mantra despite most "woke" media doing fine.

They can't handle truth like the bitches they are, and constantly lies to themselves, so they don't have think about their small dicks, small clits, flat chest, etc.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Ironically, also why the "Get woke, go broke" crowd still uses that as a mantra despite most "woke" media doing fine.

We're talking about the people who screamed about "SJW pandering" when Idris Elba (a black man) was cast as Heimdall, but said "Hollywood needs to use bankable actors" when Scarlett Johannsson (a white woman) was cast as Motoko Kusanagi. Logic need not apply, and will probably be called an SJW if it tries.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Speaking of "woke", the reflexive and excessive bashing of any perceived wokeness of a new show based on descriptions of contents, still images, and who it's creators are is Cancel Culture, right?

Because I've seen more than a few weird nerds lamenting Telia potentially being a prominent character in the new He-Man show, or complaining that the new superman show is a travesty because Lois Lane has a tan and Jimmy Olson is black, or the fact that Crunchyroll is never actually going to be able to release High Guardian Spice because weebs are as dumb as a bag of hammers. That's literally a Cancel, right?

Other kids cartoons have been bashed on for years by the "get woke go broke" crowd despite doing very well for themselves. Kinda missed the boat on the "go broke" part.

The Teela thing is people are expecting a "Subversion of expectations" move. Where by half way in the kill of He-Man or put him out of action and then the 2nd half of the shows run will be all about how great Teela is with some worried it's going to go the "Oh Teela now has the power of He-Man see nerds a woman can be strong and powerful like He-Man you stupid nerds need to accept women can be heroes............... She-Ra whose that? what are you on about He-Man's sister who is basically a female He-Man? Yeh clearly you just hate the direction cause you hate women". Teela has been set up in previous stories as actually having her own possible destiny as a rather major figure who is powerful in her own right but in a different way to He-Man's punching stuff approach.

Also doesn't help Kevin Smith tried to portray himself as a massive fan of the series and then evidence was found of him admitting he wasn't a fan so people are worried over if he'll do the show justice. Not that being a fan helps (see Doctor who and Chris Chibnall).

Also Jimmy Olsen as black.......... kinda feels somewhat off. like that's what you're going to do representation wise? really? Not bring in say John Henry Irons as a recurring character or something?

As for Crunchyroll.........High Guardian Spice will drop at some point but it's already actually been cancelled either it was a planned story run and done or they just canned it after 1 seasons production was done. The big problem is Crunchyroll was selling itself as a service that supporting anime artists and a place you could subscribe to help anime artists in Japan get paid and get access to their work. People weren't happy when High Guardian Spice was revealed not to be a Japanese show but a Western created one with a team of mostly white women making it. It seemed like Crunchyroll shifting to funnel money away from supporting actual anime artists and just greenlighting projects of friends or people with connection in the West. That's not what people sighted up there for. If they wanted to support Western Cartoons there's any number of ways to do that but Crunchyroll is one of the biggest for anime. It was a dumb move like Onlyfans trying to move away from adult entertainment now lol

As for other cartoons which ones exactly........... Or is it just going to be Steven Universe as an example?

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

Ironically, also why the "Get woke, go broke" crowd still uses that as a mantra despite most "woke" media doing fine.

So which woke media is doing fine again?
I mean actually woke not just a little progressive.

We're talking about the people who screamed about "SJW pandering" when Idris Elba (a black man) was cast as Heimdall, but said "Hollywood needs to use bankable actors" when Scarlett Johannsson (a white woman) was cast as Motoko Kusanagi. Logic need not apply, and will probably be called an SJW if it tries.

Didn't the Ghost in the Shell creator come out in favour of her casting saying he'd imagined her as likely a white American looking character because American companies and global companies would have a hand in designing shells most likely?

With Indris Elba it's a side roll and viking stuff is often rather white. It was a dumb complaint but it could be seen as a dumb move by Disney who at the time hadn't done Black Panther or any films like that seemingly. personally I think Elba was wasted on a side character they should have waited until the Xmen were back with Disney and cast him Bishop, because he just has ability to play the attitude needed to be able to pull that off I think.

 

[Trunkage]

They're therefore symbols of problematic times or something like that.
It then becomes a symbol of that problematic time and the problems with it so destroying it or damaging said problematic elements to some people.
The idea is the system is built from those times so the only way to fix society in some peoples views it to tear it all down thus then they can rebuild society without the problems from the ashes of the old.
It makes kinda little sense really but that's the logic. Reset society as a whole which means removing things seen as sacred or help up by it.


No, no. Not studied. Accepted as truth. That was presented as an example of how Science is apparently colonialist because it doesn't accept it as real. Science has looked into this kind of stuff again and again.


There's been Indian mystic powers debunked a lot too. The levitation, holding flaming pots without being burned and psychic surgery specifically.
Summoning lightening using a magic stick? As you hear in the video some-one claims it's not true (because of absence of any proof) then the Fallist lady goes on about how they need knowledge produced by her, some-one who believes that as truth and as knowledge.



Except the Fallists demands are to make Science from their perspective and to do that they believe Science would have to be restarted from scratch with them or people they approve of making the knowledge. If Science as a whole gave in to the Fallist movement there would be no Science as we know it. It would just become something like "Indigenous 'Science' " which no-one wants except people who think they can get a position of control or people who are kinda cranks who want their mystical beliefs to be declared as real.

I'm also not saying all the people calling something racist are doing it for this reason. Remember the specific context here was people getting some level of influence then working to tear down what came before on the claim it's problematic and they're fixing it. The Fallists were given a chance to talk and with that little bit of infleunce of people actually showing up to listen to talk with them they then chose to push to restart Science from scratch. That little bit of influence was being leveraged there.

So… to sum up what you said

It’s got nothing to do with tearing down society

None of it is popular

You keep pretending anything using a similar word is also bad

You know what’s funny about this whole debate? A senator was hauling a general in front of commission because he read some bad ideas. Now the MSM want to defund the army. I,e, they are trying to cancel hundreds of thousands of jobs because someone read a book. And it’s being done by the same people who whine about cancel culture all the time.

But here’s what I’m not going to do
1. Pretend that defund the army will destroy society. (Even though this is clearly more of a threat than any of your examples.) Nor is anti-cancel culture
2. Pretend that it’s popular (even though it clearly a hundred time more popular than all your examples combined)
3. Pretend that you or any conservative pundit who is against cancel culture believes the same as Gaetz or anyone on Fox

Also, you made the exact point earlier in the thread that some people were over exaggerating and stereotyping. Rightly, in my opinion. And now here we are

 

[ObsidianJones]

Evolution has promoted the mentality of latching onto and remembering the negative.

Why is the news always bad news, because people watch more news if it is bad. It is an evolutionary response, because if something bad is happening you pay attention to it incase you need to run or fight whatever the thing is. Good things are nice when they happen but are not nearly as memorable in the immediate if they don't directly apply to us.

You don't remember that kid in high school getting an A on the test, you remember your F on that test. I would doubt that many (if any) people could name the captain of the high school football team during the years they went there. Yet if your sister got 1st place in a science fair you would remember that, because it's an immediate thing related to you.

Why do we know about OJ Simpson's trial? Why do we remember the L.A. Riots? Even people in other countries know those events, because negative stuff is evolutarily designed to stick with us. It gets news ratings, it affects us more.

So yelling nice things, isn't so much a thing. Though to be fair, construction workers used to compliment ladies all the time as they walked by, but that's sexism these days so even compliments aren't safe anymore.

I remember my first kiss, seeing my nieces for the first time, the last time my mother recognized me, and Mr. Rogers with pinpoint accuracy. These are not bad points. Those are some of my fondest memories. And I didn't train myself to be this way.

That's just who I am. And I'm grateful for it.

 

[Dwarvenhobble]

So… to sum up what you said

It’s got nothing to do with tearing down society

None of it is popular

You keep pretending anything using a similar word is also bad

You know what’s funny about this whole debate? A senator was hauling a general in front of commission because he read some bad ideas. Now the MSM want to defund the army. I,e, they are trying to cancel hundreds of thousands of jobs because someone read a book. And it’s being done by the same people who whine about cancel culture all the time.

But here’s what I’m not going to do
1. Pretend that defund the army will destroy society. (Even though this is clearly more of a threat than any of your examples.) Nor is anti-cancel culture
2. Pretend that it’s popular (even though it clearly a hundred time more popular than all your examples combined)
3. Pretend that you or any conservative pundit who is against cancel culture believes the same as Gaetz or anyone on Fox

Also, you made the exact point earlier in the thread that some people were over exaggerating and stereotyping. Rightly, in my opinion. And now here we are

As I said before it entirely depends on what you define as popular.

1)You consider a country without a military to be facing more of a threat than one without any Science institutions (which BTW would include medical Science)?

These are the 31 countries that don't have a military

In some territories that don't have any standing army, their police forces function as de facto military forces.

www.businessinsider.com

2) Again Popular enough to be noticeable going on.

3) Because you know people would call bullshit on such claims very easily?

 

[Phoenixmgs]

It's not an unfounded claim, it's a plain text fact not refuted by anybody: Scott Cawthon donated the maximum allowable amount of personal money to politicians some people find particularly detestable. Some people find that fact slightly more important than their personal enjoyment of a specific product. That there might be less of that specific product in the future if nothing in changed is the point of a boycott. In the meantime, these people will simply have to play any of the other hundreds of indie horror games readily available on any platform.

It is an unfounded claim that Scott is anti-trans as he could have donated for tons of other republican policy he is in favor of. Hell, if I was forced to donate money under some hypothetical situation (gun to the head) to the republicans or democrats right now, I'd probably choose republicans because of how shit the democrats handled covid. Mind you, I would never donate to either party, heck I don't even think donating money should be allowed (I think it should all be public funded from tax dollars to avoid obvious money influence on legislation). Donating money to the #1 or #2 political party (since they flip back and forth) is not some detestable action. Lastly, it's not like a democrat has never had a hand in anti-trans legislation either, one democrat revived an anti-trans bill purely out of spite.

So don't ever tell anyone our reasons because vocally disagreeing with somebody is "virtue signalling" somehow. Give me a fucking break.

Look, I get that isn't a big deal to you because you're not directly affected. But try to wrap your head around the fact that to other people, the whole anti-LGBTQ thing really fucking matters.

Disagreeing with someone is perfectly fine. Going on the internet like Jim and proclaiming that someone sucks with no proof and virtue signaling for donating to America's #1 or #2 political party (as they flip in popularity) is bullshit. If you don't like people that donate to republicans, fine, but don't be trying to influence others to pile on the guy for really no reason for what most people do everyday (usually indirectly but still). There's literally no proof Scott is anti-LGBTQ.

 

[Hawki]

One flaw in the argument: Hamilton is still running. It was and is a liberal darling with sold out shows. What happened is that liberal spinelessness alienated a *lot* of progressives recently so a feel-good play about the founding of the United States started hitting different.

Was a liberal darling? Sure. Is a liberal darling? Seems pretty iffy these days.

Also, the backlash against Hamilton seems to mainly be that it doesn't address slavery enough or somesuch.

Oh I'll take this one.
Ghostbusters 2016 = "At last female Ghostbusters" the PR went. "What about Kylie Griffin" the fans called back. "The Ghostbusters are NOW WOMEN........ please clap"
"No, the trailer looks crap BTW". "You clearly just hate women and want to exclude women from being ghostbusters." "Kylie Griffin you stupid fucks" "OMG stop being sexist and saying all women are stupid fucks you pissbaby chud manchild"

There was certainly attempt to mitigate criticism of Ghostbusters 2016 by accusations of sexism, it doesn't change that a lot of the backlash was sexist in nature, which included direct harassment of the actresses.

The Last Jedi = Old Man Luke isn't a Hero, Rey is your hero now you will like Rey now and agree she's super uber more powerful than Luke an any jedi ever and more badass because look what happened to you hero he sucks now.

That's a, um, interesting interpretation of The Last Jedi, considering that Rey fails at almost everything in the movie (among other things).

Battlefield V = We will tell authentic stories of real women of World War II. Proceeds to not do that but instead tells the story of a Polish Commando unit
but replaces them with a mother and daughter.

Except the backlash started well before any such declaration of "real stories." And that's one story out of four.

Star Trek Discovery = Michael Burnham is better than Spock and more badass and always right.
part 1 (forum being weird)

Michael Burnham's first act is literally such a mistake that it plunges the Federation into war with the klingons.

Like, none of these stances are ones that I completely disagree with - I've criticized Rey in TFA, I've made no secret of my dislike of Burnham, but the backlash against these things was rediculous. And none of the above has anything to do with forced diversity - not even the people who really make that argument.

Part 2 (forum being weird)

Compare that the shows where forced diversity isn't claimed against them.
Killjoys:
Dutch is a Mixed race Assassin and Pri is a gay warlord.
Dutch still gets her ass kicked in fights or has to fight smart normally and win with technique because she's like 5'6 fighting 6'5 dudes sometimes.
Pri may be a warlord but he's seriously phobic of bugs and sometimes out of his depth with some more technical stuff

Yes, and I can just as easily claim that Pri is an example of "forced diversity" by virtue of being gay (ooh, the horror!)

I certainly think Dutch is a better character than Burnham and Rey, sure, but I think that's a discussion of characters in of themselves.

So it’s easily observable.

What’s it got to do with thinking some people movie is ‘racist’? Or shitting on the Mona Lisa? Their asking for their bush magic to be studied. Sounds like a good way to prove it wrong but that what the Answers in Genesis crowd do, so what can I say about people believing in sky gods

Also, this has got nothing to do with ‘tearing down society’. In your example here, the Fallists are whinging about something…. That may change science a bit at most. It wouldn’t effect much even if science acquiesced

Except there's two standards going on.

People laughed, rightly, at intelligent design, but we're expected to accept "ways of knowing" without verification.

I'm here to kill Chaos!

Then you need a change of clothes to join the boy band.

Terminatore is interesting because despite being a box office flop. People and critics reviewed it well. Just nobody went around to see it I guess.

Critics, yes, but people? I dunno, a lot of people really dislike Dark Fate in my experience.

Me personally, I quite like Dark Fate, but then, I genuinely like every Terminator movie bar T3, so go figure.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Was a liberal darling? Sure. Is a liberal darling? Seems pretty iffy these days.

They aren't starting back up until the middle of September, it's available on Disney Plus, and it's pre-sold out for a solid month at $150+ a shot.
Mind you, I'm using the Capital L Political Ideology Liberal and not the "happens to be on the blue side of the United State's two party system" liberal. You know, the kind of person that's convinced that making a hashtag mocking Donald Trump's or Mitch McConnell's name is a "protest" but doesn't think we're in a political knife fight with the GOP just yet.

 

[Hawki]

They aren't starting back up until the middle of September, it's available on Disney Plus, and it's pre-sold out for a solid month at $150+ a shot.

Lots of things that are criticized are financially successful, I'm not referring to that. More the re-evaluation of Hamilton, and the #CancelHamilton movement. And it's a shift that's taken place in less than five years. That's an astoundingly short amount of time for 'high art' to be reassessed so quickly.

And in case anyone gets any ideas, no, I'm not saying that works shouldn't be re-evaluated over time - lots of works are open to interpretation - but that doesn't strike me as what's actually going on with Hamilton.