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Except Madden, Fifa, WoW, NBA 2k, Assassins Creed, etc etc etc
I'm sure you can have a perfectally normal experience in those games without spending any extra cash. In Lost Ark you pull the lever, fail, and then are timegated. You cannot run high end content. It's not just pay-to-win, it's pay-to-spin.

But again, Asmon mislead his audience. How do I know? Read the comments weeks later about how they didn't expect this game to be a such a grind. You play 1 Korean MMO and you already know how they work.

What was his coverage of Lost Ark before launch? "An MMO that respects your time", not "An MMO where you have to run dailies for 6 alts" or "An MMO where endgame content is a locked behind a slot machine" which should be the first thing you should disclose. How would Asmon know? Well the game was already out overseas. You already have meme screenshots about how blatantly pay-to-win the game was, so where is the point of contention?

If it were TB he would of pointed this out immediately, but he's not TB. Asmon is not a consumer advocate, he is farming hype views.

So you can have a free-to-play game that relies on players buying at any price and still be highly sucessful. pay to win isn't a requirement.
I wasn't talking about free-to-play games, I was talking about pay-to-win games, the worst offenders. I can't speak for Genshin Impact, but games like LoL or Fortnite you can have a perfectly normal experience without spending any cash. Usually people don't care until it's no longer only cosmetic.

Yes you have. You can accept a thing and still complain about it.
If a game's terrible monetization strategy isn't a big issue to stop you from playing or purchasing items, you've accepted it. You are their market demographic. It's normalized now. I'm sure 90% of Genishin Impact players hate lootboxes and would rather buy things outright (I don't know if you can but usually you can't because it defeats the purpose), they still play the game and spend the money.
 

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You can hate Asmon if you want I dont care. But I can tell you that he never lied that Lost Ark wasn't pay to win as fuck. In fact he was very upfront that he didn't care because he liked the game and he took the stance for his audience to watch him whale because he could afford it, rather than trying to whale on the game themselves. He watched several videos about Lost Ark's pay to win and he wasn't happy about it.

He has said for years that WoW is pay to win, and said that he still plays it because he frankly likes the game and that's all there is too it.

A person can complain a game is pay to win while still paying to win. You realize that right?
WoW is not pay to win. The official store does not sell statted gear, and the character boots give you a laughably weak set of questing gear. People pay to be carried through content for gear/achievements but that’s always been a purely player driven market with Blizz only getting of their arses if evidence of real money changing hands is presented. Beyond that, they’re content to let the players do everything in their power to murder the economy.
 

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WoW is not pay to win. The official store does not sell statted gear, and the character boots give you a laughably weak set of questing gear. People pay to be carried through content for gear/achievements but that’s always been a purely player driven market with Blizz only getting of their arses if evidence of real money changing hands is presented. Beyond that, they’re content to let the players do everything in their power to murder the economy.
The wow token has provided an outlet for player driven pay to win. WoW is 100% pay to win because the community demands you have a stupid gear level before inviting you to anything, forcing people to be carried into dungeons in order to get normal invites.

The wow token has allowed people an easy avenue to do this.

The crazy part is that WoW isn't pay to win in principal. But the players have made it that way.
 

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And around around we go with youtubers milking controversy for a week to get that algorithm money.

Bellular, YongYea and Jim Sterling are salivating at that mouth right now
That's how you play the Youtube game sir. Sterling is going to be extra "Capitalism is evil" on this one.
 
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And around around we go with youtubers milking controversy for a week to get that algorithm money.

Bellular, YongYea and Jim Sterling are salivating at that mouth right now
I mean at least they are also exposing the bullshit while doing so, although I do have to question which takes priority

It's certainly better than those lootbox opening videos where people on cam scream in joy when they get rare items. Like, they edit out the frustrating part, and only show the exciting part.
 
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I mean at least they are also exposing the bullshit while doing so, although I do have to question which takes priority

It's certainly better than those lootbox opening videos where people on cam scream in joy when they get rare items. Like, they edit out the frustrating part, and only show the exciting part.

All I need to watch is this video to know microtransactions are bad.
 
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All I need to watch is this video to know microtransactions are bad.
Yep exactly. There are also YouTubers like Anomaly who shows the brutal truth about the openings, while suffering for our entertainment.

I'm actually impressed with the dude's willingness to put up with all the bullshit. He could've easily chosen to show the only times when he opened good stuff, but here he is burning money and raging
 
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And around and round we go with youtubers milking controversy for a week to get that algorithm money.

Bellular, YongYea and Jim Sterling are salivating at that mouth right now
At least they try to get crap done and get the word out there. I am more so referring to Sterling. Yong is nothing more than a glorified gossiper. I don't know who Bellular is, and I don't care.

That's how you play the Youtube game sir. Sterling is going to be extra "Capitalism is evil" on this one.
I can't blame them and you seen the examples yourself. You just more so admitted it yourself, Mr. Pay 2 Win Acceptance.
 
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3.0 user score. Honestly, that's bit generous, IMO

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1.6 now. That’s better
 
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The wow token has provided an outlet for player driven pay to win. WoW is 100% pay to win because the community demands you have a stupid gear level before inviting you to anything, forcing people to be carried into dungeons in order to get normal invites.

The wow token has allowed people an easy avenue to do this.

The crazy part is that WoW isn't pay to win in principal. But the players have made it that way.
That's the fault of the player, not the developers. The WOW Token originally released and marketed as a way to pay for your subscription time with in-game currency.
 

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That's the fault of the player, not the developers. The WOW Token originally released and marketed as a way to pay for your subscription time with in-game currency.
Players are what make pay-to-win a thing. These games are fully playable without spending any money. It's the players that pressure other players into buying things because it starts to raise the level of power the players require of other players to do things. This puts pressure on everyone else to also spend so that they can fit into the "meta" level of power.

Or in other ways it's player driven desires to compete. That guy on the leaderboards is cool but nobody can touch him unless they pay for it so you have to pay to even get on a competitive level, let alone win.

I wouldn't be surprised if companies plant "fake" accounts with crazy high powers to always stay ahead of 99% of the playerbase so that it will trick real players into buying into the power systems.
 

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Context of the fuck you and to who?
Fuck Wyatt I would assume. Also his tweet is a fucking lie. He never once indicated that you buy gems and gems are the biggest source of power for the players. He underplayed how much is gained from these legendary gems and he fucking knows he lied.
 
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Fuck Wyatt I would assume. Also his tweet is a fucking lie. He never once indicated that you buy gems and gems are the biggest source of power for the players. He underplayed how much is gained from these legendary gems and he fucking knows he lied.
I just noticed Wyatt is the "Don't you guys have phones" guy. So yeah now I know
 
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