Diablo Immortal is Finally out....it's trash.

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Waiting for this game to be the next source of fraud investigation. You’d think ABK would’ve learned given the shitstorm they’re already in. Going for (not) broke I supppose.
 

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Waiting for this game to be the next source of fraud investigation. You’d think ABK would’ve learned given the shitstorm they’re already in. Going for (not) broke I supppose.
And as always, there will be some loophole they can find in justifying the current state of the game. It happened with every big publishers anc I can’t remember the last time a company got int a legal trouble and lost
 

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The wow token has provided an outlet for player driven pay to win. WoW is 100% pay to win because the community demands you have a stupid gear level before inviting you to anything, forcing people to be carried into dungeons in order to get normal invites.

The wow token has allowed people an easy avenue to do this.

The crazy part is that WoW isn't pay to win in principal. But the players have made it that way.
The WoW token was also Blizzard’s way to try and kneecap the (majority) Chinese gold sellers - who not incidentally have made quite the comeback in WoW classic - by just refocusing the real money transfer from a firm of dubious legality and moral intent to one of merely dubious morals but nominally accountable. And in that particular endeavour they have been successful.

As for the community, I don’t give a flying fuck what the the borderline psychotic 1% of this game’s player base want from me. They’re not my fucking wife OR my fucking conscience. I’ll play to my level and maybe a bit above it if I can find an accomodating group to stretch my legs with.

Besides, the only way to ‘beat’ WoW is to unsubscribe. Which to the best of my recollection, you have done. So kudos, you beat them at their own game.
 

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The WoW token was also Blizzard’s way to try and kneecap the (majority) Chinese gold sellers
The Diablo 3 real money auction house was their attempt to kneecap those old D2 trading sites as well. It's not the first time they've done it, but sometimes trying to kneecap an outside industry for your own profit leads to worst situations.

Chinese gold sellers were something that most players avoided because it usually just led to your account getting hacked, or other bad situations for your account.The playerbase therefore mitigated that itself and by tokengold buying didn't factor into progression for all.

Now that the token is there, people expect it because now everyone has open and safe access to it. Which leads to a pay-to-play pressure upon everyone. Much the same way mobile game pay to win mobile games also work. It's a crazy powerful mind game that works and generates billions of dollars

As for the community, I don’t give a flying fuck what the the borderline psychotic 1% of this game’s player base want from me. They’re not my fucking wife OR my fucking conscience. I’ll play to my level and maybe a bit above it if I can find an accomodating group to stretch my legs with.
Good for you, but unfortuantely other people like to fit in and belong with their playgroups. And if the playgroup has requirements that can be gained only by paying out for them, then people will pay out to join the club. It's basic social manipulation.

Which to the best of my recollection, you have done. So kudos, you beat them at their own game.
Indeed I have. Blizzard is always going to be a company who's game I'll keep an eye on, I have too much history with them to not. However i don't have to give them unearned and unworthy dollars. The only reason i even touched Diablo Immoral is because I could play for free.....well for an hour or so at least.
 
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The Diablo 3 real money auction house was their attempt to kneecap those old D2 trading sites as well. It's not the first time they've done it, but sometimes trying to kneecap an outside industry for your own profit leads to worst situations.

Chinese gold sellers were something that most players avoided because it usually just led to your account getting hacked, or other bad situations for your account.The playerbase therefore mitigated that itself and by tokengold buying didn't factor into progression for all.

Now that the token is there, people expect it because now everyone has open and safe access to it. Which leads to a pay-to-play pressure upon everyone. Much the same way mobile game pay to win mobile games also work. It's a crazy powerful mind game that works and generates billions of dollars



Good for you, but unfortuantely other people like to fit in and belong with their playgroups. And if the playgroup has requirements that can be gained only by paying out for them, then people will pay out to join the club. It's basic social manipulation.


Indeed I have. Blizzard is always going to be a company who's game I'll keep an eye on, I have too much history with them to not. However i don't have to give them unearned and unworthy dollars. The only reason i even touched Diablo Immoral is because I could play for free.....well for an hour or so at least.
Diablo Immoral, I like that. On the nose but definitely accurate. If it was deliberate well done, if not it’s the best typo I’ve seen in ages.
 
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Good for you, but unfortuantely other people like to fit in and belong with their playgroups. And if the playgroup has requirements that can be gained only by paying out for them, then people will pay out to join the club. It's basic social manipulation.
All true, but each person has a choice to do or not do so. I always chose no, because it was never worth the money, and most people I knew did not play WoW, or got bored with it after a while. Most neve came back.
 

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All true, but each person has a choice to do or not do so. I always chose no, because it was never worth the money, and most people I knew did not play WoW, or got bored with it after a while. Most neve came back.
It would be a wonderful world of gaming if the entire playerbase could indeed banish shitty business schemes. Sadly that's not the world we live in now. Oh well, I guess all we can do is call out the bullshit and hope for the best.
 

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Diablo Immoral, I like that. On the nose but definitely accurate. If it was deliberate well done, if not it’s the best typo I’ve seen in ages.
It was on purpose. But I can't take the credit, that's the nickname reddit has been using since launch basically.
 

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Right on time.

It's a shame that all those years ago the crowd boo'ed Diablo Immoral's reveal, and everyone knew why. Everyone knew what the game was going to become by being a mobile title. Hell when the Q&A asked if it would come to PC it was a hope that there would be a PC verison that people could just buy and not have all the mobile cash grab bullshit within. But they said no, and that was when the boos filled the auditorium.

Today the game did come to PC and it's just a mobile port so it contains all the garbage from the mobile side. The game is irredeemable. That's all there is too it.
 
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They gave it a 6/10? A fucking SIX!? Gotta not hit 'em too hard eh otherwise you might get an angry phone call.

If publications are unwilling to bust a game's balls on this greedy garbage then the players have no hope. Especially since mainstream review sites cater to the more casual gaming audience (though that's still harder core than the average), and if "professional" reviewers aren't willing to rake a company over the colls over bullshit, then the player voice will never get big enough to affect change in the industry to make any long term good.

Be better Destructoid.
 
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There is a reason Sterling love Destructoid back in early 2010s. They've pretty much been faltering ever since 2014.
Honestly I wouldn't hold Sterling's opinions on working for anybody with much credit, they don't strike me as a person who does well in a normal working environment in general. Having been a reader of the site for a number of years, there articles are generally just informative and good on that end. And frankly their reviews are usually pretty honest sounding and scored appropriately.

But not this time.
 

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Honestly I wouldn't hold Sterling's opinions on working for anybody with much credit, they don't strike me as a person who does well in a normal working environment in general.
They're not perfect, but I'm not going to shut them out completely. They had the reasons and it's understandable. I trust them more than I trust the Destructoid, IGN, Giant Bomb, or GameSpot.

And frankly their reviews are usually pretty honest sounding and scored appropriately.
Not all the time.
But not this time.
No, you just finally started noticing when it was something that was that bad or inexcusable. There's a reason why they went off my trust list years ago. The only professionals I trust are Escapist (most of the time), and Easy Allies. They aren't perfect either. EA had plenty where there either too soft on a game, or too harsh during their GameTrailer days. They cooled off years ago, but an apology or second opinion for some of those games would be nice.
 
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There's a reason why they went off my trust list years ago.
Your trust list. The point I was making was that the casual review hunter would see these reviews and if they aren't being honest then they are perpetuating the cycle of shady games to the masses.
 

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Your trust list. The point I was making was that the casual review hunter would see these reviews and if they aren't being honest then they are perpetuating the cycle of shady games to the masses.
Exactly why they are not on my trust list.