Ukraine

[Gergar12]

I know I am not one to to talk, but not all Russians.

Russian Hero Who Died Liberating Palmyra Is Dad-to-Be Alexander Prokhorenko

The Russian Special Forces officer who was killed during the operation to liberate Palmyra from the Daesh terrorist group has been named as 25-year-old Alexander Prokhorenko, who ordered air forces to strike his position after he was...

sputnikglobe.com

 

[Seanchaidh]

Especially when you literally said you concluded its more common because it comes up in your feed more often. I mean, seriously.

You're reminding me why I stopped engaging you about this. You seem devoted to deliberately failing to understand what you read in what appears to be an effort to waste my time. Be less tedious.

 

[Elijin]

You're reminding me why I stopped engaging you about this. You seem devoted to deliberately failing to understand what you read in what appears to be an effort to waste my time. Be less tedious.

It would be less tedious if instead of constant posts like this, you backed up your claims when challenged and specifically laid out your positions when "misinterpreted".

Instead you treat yourself as an authority, then act exasperated when people don't believe something just because it came from you.

 

[Satinavian]

You're reminding me why I stopped engaging you about this. You seem devoted to deliberately failing to understand what you read in what appears to be an effort to waste my time. Be less tedious.

The thing is, we have written about and checked various sources of neo-nazis in Ukraine and Russia for several years now. Everyone has already made up their mind on that topic. And Azov, the most well known and most often cited concentration of Nazi symbols in the Ukrainian military is a thing of the past anyway. Not that they actually put any nazi ideas into practice.

There is nothing new about "nazis" for quite some time and it is pretty irrelevant for the war. There is likely not a single person on this whole site who believed Russia is fighting in Ukraine because of Nazis. Yes, i include you. I do think you are lying if claiming otherwise.

But even if Nazis were a relevant force in the Ukraine and Russia invaded to get rid of them, that still would be very wrong and we still should support the Ukraine.

Because it is not OK, to invade other countries because you don't like the people living there.

 

[Silvanus]

You're reminding me why I stopped engaging you about this. You seem devoted to deliberately failing to understand what you read in what appears to be an effort to waste my time. Be less tedious.

What's more tedious, I'd suggest, is the tendency to respond to a single line of a post, while snipping out and completely ignoring the parts that actually challenge what you've said.

You lied when you said I only posted shit from Rusich. Then when called out, you snip and ignore. You posted a probable false flag with the pit video, then when the unedited version was pointed out, you snip and ignore.

And by the way, I don't see another good way to interpret these posts, except to say you're relying on what crops up in your feed;

I see a lot of AFU Nazism without even using a search engine. That suggests a difference in scale.

My algorithm shows me stuff like this.

 

[Absent]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/07/25/putin-prigozhin-rebellion-kremlin-disarray/

Aw.

“Putin showed himself to be a person who is not able to make serious, important and quick decisions in critical situations. He just hid,” said Gennady Gudkov, a former colonel in the Russian security services who is now an opposition politician in exile. “This was not understood by most of the Russian population. But it was very well understood by Putin’s elite. He is no longer the guarantor of their security and the preservation of the system.”
“Russia is a country of mafia rules. And Putin made an unforgivable mistake,” said a senior Moscow financier with ties to the Russian intelligence services. “He lost his reputation as the toughest man in town.”

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/07/25/putin-prigozhin-rebellion-kremlin-disarray/

Aw.

I'm willing to bet that this is a major reason why Erdogan suddenly did an about-face on allowing Sweden to join NATO. Putin committed the one unforgivable sin in the world of dictators: he looked weak.

 

[Ag3ma]

I'm willing to bet that this is a major reason why Erdogan suddenly did an about-face on allowing Sweden to join NATO. Putin committed the one unforgivable sin in the world of dictators: he looked weak.

No, largely it was bought with concessions from the USA to start selling it F-16s again, and the EU to unfreeze negotiations on Turkey having greater access to European markets.

Although I agree that Erdogan must also have realised that Putin's Russia is a busted flush. He's been happy to play off Russia and the US/EU whilst it benefitted him, but there's now much less point catering to the shaky edifice that is Putin's Russia. The other likely factor for Turkey is the Caucasus, where Turkey might decide decent relations with Russia are less important than an overt power grab whilst Russia is weak and distracted.

 

[Hawki]

The war is coming to Russia, Zelenskiy warns after latest drone attack

Ukrainian president makes veiled reference to this week’s attacks in nightly video address

www.theguardian.com

In the game of drones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground.

Well, actually there is, but I wanted to use that quote for something.

 

[Dalisclock]

Perun weighs in on the Grain deal collapse and the Black Sea.


TLDW take this causes a big problem because Insurance companies are less likely to insure vessals that might be sunk and thus less likely ships will enter the Black Sea to dock at Odessa. That being said you can't just board ships looking for military contraband without declaring a blockade because you're basically committing Piracy and that causes a bunch of diplomatic issues(notably, Piracy is not looked well upon per maritime law) and Russia would have to task it's limited black sea fleet resources to do it, which then puts them in the range of Neptune missiles or naval drones. Not to mention, Ukraine could decide to start sinking civilian shipping moving across the black sea as well if Russia starts doing it and Russia has a LOT more civilian traffic to protect then Ukraine does.

It also risks certain nations(the US or turkey) deciding to put escorts on grain ships running between the Dardanelles and Odessa to protect them from Russian attacks which could lead to escalation if Russia decides to press the issue.

 

[Silvanus]

Perun weighs in on the Grain deal collapse and the Black Sea.


TLDW take this causes a big problem because Insurance companies are less likely to insure vessals that might be sunk and thus less likely ships will enter the Black Sea to dock at Odessa. That being said you can't just board ships looking for military contraband without declaring a blockade because you're basically committing Piracy and that causes a bunch of diplomatic issues(notably, Piracy is not looked well upon per maritime law) and Russia would have to task it's limited black sea fleet resources to do it, which then puts them in the range of Neptune missiles or naval drones. Not to mention, Ukraine could decide to start sinking civilian shipping moving across the black sea as well if Russia starts doing it and Russia has a LOT more civilian traffic to protect then Ukraine does.

It also risks certain nations(the US or turkey) deciding to put escorts on grain ships running between the Dardanelles and Odessa to protect them from Russian attacks which could lead to escalation if Russia decides to press the issue.

Russia's decision to block Ukrainian grain exports-- which are an essential lifeline in Africa-- is another of the factors showing the complete exploitative disdain with which Russia holds the continent. Alongside Russia's deployment of the Wagner Group in Mali, CAR, and numerous other countries, pillaging gold resources and committing war crimes. Its notable that Mohamed Bazoum, the President of Niger who was recently ousted in a military coup, had been the target of a Wagner online disinformation campaign this very year. Until then, Niger had been one of the few countries in the region to have run a competitive election.

 

[Dalisclock]

Looks like ships are already giving the Russian Blockade the middle finger while NATO aircraft watch while the Russian Navy does jack shit.

NATO Planes Watched As Three Civilian Ships Ran Russia’s Naval Blockade Of Ukraine

Sunday’s successful blockade run could signal to international shippers that it’s reasonably safe to resume operations from Ukrainian ports.

www.forbes.com

The Israeli vessel with the ship-tracking handle Ams1, as well as the Greek vessel with the handle Sahin 2, sailed north from the Bosporus Strait, while the Turkish-Georgian Yilmaz Kaptan sailed west from northern Turkey.


Overhead, no fewer than four NATO warplanes patrolled: a U.S. Navy P-8 patrol plane, a U.S. Army Challenger with a surface-scanning radar, a U.S. Air Force RQ-4 drone and an E-3 early-warning plane from NATO. None of the planes routinely carries weapons, but NATO fighters—including Italian Eurofighters and Romanian F-16s—were nearby in Romania.

The three cargo ships made no effort to obscure their intentions. They all switched on their radio transponders, making their location and course visible to anyone with access to the internet and ship-tracking websites.

Since this article was published several more ships have run the "blockade", under the watchful eye of NATO aircraft, and apparently plying through Romanian Waters. Russian ships have not attempted to intercept.

So basically Russia talks big and does little of consequence, yet again.

 

[hanselthecaretaker2]

Russia strikes Ukraine's Danube port, driving up global grain prices

Russia attacked Ukraine's main inland port across the Danube River from Romania on Wednesday, sending global food prices higher as it ramped up its use of force to prevent Ukraine from exporting grain.

www.reuters.com

Wow Russia. Can you just not? First gas prices and now this.

/downsides of globalization.

 

[Hawki]

The Russians hunting for cheap flats in occupied Mariupol

Largely destroyed by Russian forces, Mariupol is now portrayed by Moscow as a desirable city.

www.bbc.com

...yay?

 

[Ag3ma]

The Russians hunting for cheap flats in occupied Mariupol

Largely destroyed by Russian forces, Mariupol is now portrayed by Moscow as a desirable city.

www.bbc.com

...yay?

Risky. They might find themselves very unwelcome if the Ukrainians take the city back, whether by force or treaty. And Ukraine might not honour their purchase either under the circumstances as they may view it as illegitimate, with fair reason. However, if the Russians hold it, the city will presumably rebuild and there's a lot of profit to be made snapping up cheap property that will increase in value.

 

[Seanchaidh]

What's more tedious, I'd suggest, is the tendency to respond to a single line of a post, while snipping out and completely ignoring the parts that actually challenge what you've said.

I don't usually find your posts on this topic interesting enough to take the time to investigate further nevermind properly engage with. Sorry.

 

[Silvanus]

I don't usually find your posts on this topic interesting enough to take the time to investigate further nevermind properly engage with. Sorry.

Yeah, its just funny that your interest lasts long enough to regurgitate a specious claim you've read somewhere, but evaporates the moment someone points out a gaping hole in it. Maybe you shouldn't post something if you're unwilling to investigate it properly or check if it's correct? Just a thought.

 

[Seanchaidh]

but evaporates the moment someone points out a gaping hole in it.

I've given you opportunities to realize that you're wrong. Responding to sophistry and misrepresentation is beyond the effort I'm willing to invest.

 

[Ag3ma]

I don't usually find your posts on this topic interesting enough to take the time to investigate further nevermind properly engage with. Sorry.

"I might not be able to adequately defend my points to convince you, but at least I can sound superior"

 

[Silvanus]

Responding to sophistry and misrepresentation is beyond the effort I'm willing to invest.

As is putting in even a modicum of source criticism, or acknowledging clear errors in the shit you post once they're pointed out.