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Emily Rudd is both a beautiful and an excellent actress. But objectifying fictional characters is based as long as it's not an obsession, and the fictional character isn't child-size.
More fundamentally, these commenters are people who actually watched the live action One Piece, one that's not even in Japanese, so they're not even weebs anyways but rather normies who would watch live action anime adaptations when instead they could be watching anime.


Also one piece is one of the least sexual anime out there. In a recent comment in the end of a chapter Oda even mentioned he didn't know how to draw butts all that well, which was why he never drew pantyshots in one piece, and that he's practicing drawing butts now. This is some 25 years in OP's run as a manga. If that is the series you somehow "always thought had sexist fans" or whatever you clearly have not kept up with most other shows and IPs for the last 2 decades lol.
 

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More fundamentally, these commenters are people who actually watched the live action One Piece, one that's not even in Japanese, so they're not even weebs anyways but rather normies who would watch live action anime adaptations when instead they could be watching anime.


Also one piece is one of the least sexual anime out there. In a recent comment in the end of a chapter Oda even mentioned he didn't know how to draw butts all that well, which was why he never drew pantyshots in one piece, and that he's practicing drawing butts now. This is some 25 years in OP's run as a manga. If that is the series you somehow "always thought had sexist fans" or whatever you clearly have not kept up with most other shows and IPs for the last 2 decades lol.
As true as all that may be, Oda still wasn't afraid to draw women with large chest sizes. Not all them obviously, but plenty of them. I don't consider One Piece, "sexist", but there are bad people (or "fans") in the fan base that do act sexists, and it shows.
 
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Translation: "They're offering me a plea deal and I don't wanna go to jail, so I'll feign having standards while saving my own skin."
Yeah, that sounds like Frank Nitti on a trial suddenly claiming that Capone is a big meanie.
 
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Now, this itself my seem like just the typical anti-vaxxer victim complex but what she says isn't even true.

A quick glance at the filmography section of her Wikipedia page shows that De Matteo has been in two tv shows (and was a main cast member in one of them) and a movie since Covid. Just this year she reprised her role from Sons of Anarchy as a guest star in the Mayans MC spinoff. Sure, it's not quite the same heights as The Sopranos but she does still get work.
 

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More fundamentally, these commenters are people who actually watched the live action One Piece, one that's not even in Japanese, so they're not even weebs anyways but rather normies who would watch live action anime adaptations when instead they could be watching anime.
How the hell would "Normies" know or care about a cartoon drawing's canon chest size if they aren't even watching the anime or reading the manga? The only people who would know enough to care that much are those already obsessed with One Piece while anyone else would be coming in completely blind and wouldn't give a damn about how "stacked" a live action actress is compared to the character she's playing.

Normies don't care about cup sizes nearly as much as weebs do.


Also one piece is one of the least sexual anime out there.
By whose standards? Besides Nami, we also have Robin, Hancock, Viola, Alvida, Reiju, Kalifa and Rebecca. Hancock even has the ability to turn anyone who is attracted to her to stone (which is virtually everyone) and there's this scene.

In a recent comment in the end of a chapter Oda even mentioned he didn't know how to draw butts all that well, which was why he never drew pantyshots in one piece, and that he's practicing drawing butts now.
Because butts are the only part of the human anatomy that has been sexualized.


This is some 25 years in OP's run as a manga. If that is the series you somehow "always thought had sexist fans" or whatever you clearly have not kept up with most other shows and IPs for the last 2 decades lol.
Other IPs being sexist or having sexist fans doesn't the same doesn't apply to One Piece.
 
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How the hell would "Normies" know or care about a cartoon drawing's canon chest size if they aren't even watching the anime or reading the manga? The only people who would know enough to care that much are those already obsessed with One Piece while anyone else would be coming in completely blind and wouldn't give a damn about how "stacked" a live action actress is compared to the character she's playing.

Normies don't care about cup sizes nearly as much as weebs do.




By whose standards? Besides Nami, we also have Robin, Hancock, Viola, Alvida, Reiju, Kalifa and Rebecca. Hancock even has the ability to turn anyone who is attracted to her to stone (which is virtually everyone) and there's this scene.



Because butts are the only part of the human anatomy that has been sexualized.



Other IPs being sexist or having sexist fans doesn't the same doesn't apply to One Piece.
There was a british localization expert doing a panel talk, and in part of it he detailed how the magazine he worked on at the time had maybe 10.000 subs, and that matched the number of VHS sales for a new anime around the same period for the region. At the same time, the numbers for hentai stuff was around 5 times that, so there was this association of anime being erotic by non-fans who just consumed the erotic content (even if you say those 10k anime fans all consumed the hentai, that still leaves those other 40k folks), but actual normal fans who watched all kinds of content were way fewer and would be drowned out by this perception that was generated by people who would themselves deny being anime fans, but because they were watching hentai in the closet it colored their perception of anime as a whole.

Nami is very much in the same boat.

Nami has B-cups during the Buggy and Airlong arcs. She eventually grew out more, and then after the 2 year timeskip and later became a hourglass bombshell, but if anything the actress they got portraying her is TOO curvy, not not curvy enough.




So yeah, basically the complainers are normies who have no clue about how Nami looked like in the early episodes, likely have only had any interaction with her from fanwork porn, and since the porn is likely both based on her later design and also exaggerating it for effect by itself, they are left unfulfilled by the actress. Personally, Nami and Zoro look totally fine from that live action thing, Ussop looks weirdly effeminate and his nose is a foot shorter, and for some reason Luffy is a mexican now, but Nami is fine.


There's this theory that during times of economic downturns in Japan, content where women have huge boobs sees and increase in production. I dunno how true this is, but it was the closest thing to a justification for the pre-timeskip growth Nami experienced I ever read.


So yeah they're not normies in the sense of being someone with no knowledge of the internet whose hobbies are fishing and playing football, but in the context of knowing one piece.




Finally, you have to compare apples to apples. One Piece has a thousand episodes where none of the main cast hooked up, had children or families and most if not all romance is played for jokes, with the little kid enjoying tight hugs from Robin or Sanji hitting on everyone as his way of greeting them. In half as many episodes, Goku had had 2 children and his child had had a child. In the first episode Bulma flashes her skirt to manipulate him into giving her his dragonball. Naruto on the other hand had the sexy no jutsu where he would transform into a naked girl covered by ninja steam. He also is a daddy now and his son is the protagonist of the current sequel series. Bleach I haven't followed but someone else can let us know. Point is, when contrasted with other mega-hit shonen anime that typically have some degree of sexual gags and erotic jokes as a matter of course, one piece is on the lower end of the spectrum when you look at what % of the show is involving sexual content. You may be using the one drop rule, where one scene just instantly taints the entire show as sexual even if it's 2 minutes out of 2 months of runtime, but no, that's wrong.
 
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There was a british localization expert doing a panel talk, and in part of it he detailed how the magazine he worked on at the time had maybe 10.000 subs, and that matched the number of VHS sales for a new anime around the same period for the region. At the same time, the numbers for hentai stuff was around 5 times that, so there was this association of anime being erotic by non-fans who just consumed the erotic content (even if you say those 10k anime fans all consumed the hentai, that still leaves those other 40k folks), but actual normal fans who watched all kinds of content were way fewer and would be drowned out by this perception that was generated by people who would themselves deny being anime fans, but because they were watching hentai in the closet it colored their perception of anime as a whole.

Nami is very much in the same boat.

Nami has B-cups during the Buggy and Airlong arcs. She eventually grew out more, and then after the 2 year timeskip and later became a hourglass bombshell, but if anything the actress they got portraying her is TOO curvy, not not curvy enough.




So yeah, basically the complainers are normies who have no clue about how Nami looked like in the early episodes, likely have only had any interaction with her from fanwork porn, and since the porn is likely both based on her later design and also exaggerating it for effect by itself, they are left unfulfilled by the actress. Personally, Nami and Zoro look totally fine from that live action thing, Ussop looks weirdly effeminate and his nose is a foot shorter, and for some reason Luffy is a mexican now, but Nami is fine.


There's this theory that during times of economic downturns in Japan, content where women have huge boobs sees and increase in production. I dunno how true this is, but it was the closest thing to a justification for the pre-timeskip growth Nami experienced I ever read.


So yeah they're not normies in the sense of being someone with no knowledge of the internet whose hobbies are fishing and playing football, but in the context of knowing one piece.




Finally, you have to compare apples to apples. One Piece has a thousand episodes where none of the main cast hooked up, had children or families and most if not all romance is played for jokes, with the little kid enjoying tight hugs from Robin or Sanji hitting on everyone as his way of greeting them. In half as many episodes, Goku had had 2 children and his child had had a child. In the first episode Bulma flashes her skirt to manipulate him into giving her his dragonball. Naruto on the other hand had the sexy no jutsu where he would transform into a naked girl covered by ninja steam. He also is a daddy now and his son is the protagonist of the current sequel series. Bleach I haven't followed but someone else can let us know. Point is, when contrasted with other mega-hit shonen anime that typically have some degree of sexual gags and erotic jokes as a matter of course, one piece is on the lower end of the spectrum when you look at what % of the show is involving sexual content. You may be using the one drop rule, where one scene just instantly taints the entire show as sexual even if it's 2 minutes out of 2 months of runtime, but no, that's wrong.
You know, with Oda’s waifish thin character designs, tits like Nami’s just look really out of place. Like fucking hell are we sure Luffy is the only one who got powers from the Reed Richard’s fruit tree?

EDIT: fuck you auto-correct, I know what I wrote.
 

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You know, with Oda’s waifish thin character designs, tits like Nami’s just look really out of place. Like fucking hell are we sure Luffy is the only one who got powers from the Reed Richard’s fruit tree?

EDIT: fuck you auto-correct, I know what I wrote.
Out of context, yeah, totally. But one piece has a homogeneity in weirdness that when taken as a whole feels right. It's basically bizarre on top of over-exaggerated on top of cartoonishly proportioned on top of badass. Stuff like this epitomize it:



Yes, that is a fishnet stocking cape he's wearing. I bet you'd never even thought of fishnet capes being a thing before.

After 22 years I'm just totally used to that art style so it just screams one piece and is very charming to me, but I remember back in the day people saying it looked weird. You just kinda accept that some dudes will randomly be huge or tiny or wierdly proportioned or have a fish for a head and just go along with it.


One thing you can't say is that it's not instantly identifiable. And being identifiable in a sea of shows is a huge plus.




But yeah my headcannon with Nami is that she was just malnourished while with Airlong's crew and grew cause of Sanji's healthy meals and from being freed from all that stress. It's prolly not the case but it wouldn't be the weirdest thing in one piece by a mile lol.
 

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But yeah my headcannon with Nami is that she was just malnourished while with Airlong's crew and grew cause of Sanji's healthy meals and from being freed from all that stress. It's prolly not the case but it wouldn't be the weirdest thing in one piece by a mile lol.
My read is that Oda is an artist and like all artists his style evolve, but I love your headcanon.

Apart from the fact that it would mean Nami was malnourished.
 

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Imagine I told you that more people were killed with swords in the US in a year than rifles. You'd balk at the idea, and you'd be right to, and you'd likely call me out on my bullshit when I said that by "sword" I meant all bladed implements, and it is in fact true that more people are killed in the US each year with blades than with rifles.
Yeah, this is nonsense. An average person knows that there is a difference between a sword and a knife. They might not know the difference between a sword and a machete and would definitely lump them together

The average person would know the difference between a pistol, shotgun, 'assault rifle' and possibly a sniper rifle. They can tell if a weapon needs two hands or one to hold. Or if it fires in rapid succession or not. They are not mixing up 'assault rifles' for a pistol
"Semi-assault rifle" is also not an accurate description (and isn't a thing at all), but BrawlMan's semi-automatic rifle is an accurate description of the kind of firearm in question (modern sporting rifle, modular rifle, or even modular sporting rifle [despite not being technically the right jargon] would also be accurate enough). And it's an important distinction because people keep trying to equate the two, specifically with the goal of heavily restricting one based on the other.
How is 'using the right jargon' going to help?

Illegal immigrants, as the term is usually used, aren't actually illegal. An illegal immigrant is a person who overstays their visa. Most are refugees and the law demands they set foot in a country before they can ask for asylum. Do we get to ban or ignore anyone who uses the term illegal immigrant based on them not using the right jargon?

A small government conservative is a person who wants to limit the power of the government. It does not have much to do with the actual size of the government. Should we ban all the 'small government' GOP because they aren't using the jargon properly (particularly when they usually INCREASE the size of the government)?

No one person is going to get all the jargon right. Just take people at their level of understanding of a situation instead of demanding they have to meet yours. Especially when the same rifle can be modified so it can fit into sporting rifles, 'assault rifles and sniper rifle categories

If the GOP can use the term assault rifle to determine bans in the 80s, everyone else can

And realize that if they do not know what a semi-automatic is.... then you get to tell them what fits in each category. You can explain away facts about rifles that can fit them into any category. That's what the EPA did. They realized that politicians don't know much about science so they took broad gestures towards the environment through policies and scientifically figured out the best approach to meet them

No, Rosenbaum was the one that started the confrontation with Rittenhouse, then chased him down and tried to take his gun when Rittenhouse tried to flee. He was the first one shot (4 shots in quick succession). I'd actually be with you along those lines for Grosskreutz, if his testimony had been a bit different (and his civil suit is going to hinge entirely on reinterpreting or ignoring his testimony in the criminal trial coupled with a lower standard of evidence in civil trials). For Huber, I'd have to look into WI law if there's a case for "defense of others" like there is for self defense, but even then at that point Rittenhouse was attempting to flee to the police line by all accounts so it would be a stretch and the devil would be in the details if a jury would consider it "reasonable", but he might have had a shot.
This one is on me. I have always gotten Rosenbaum and Huber mixed up. I meant Huber
 

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Did you say One Piece is one of the least sexualised animes, and then in the very next post provide multiple pictures of a female character with gigantic tits being barely contained by a minute bikini?
Given the level of weird sexualisation anime and manga get up to, Nami being spank bait for the 15 year olds reading and watching this shit, does count for the lower end of that scale.
 
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