And yet when attempts are made to move away from that the cries of 'making women ugly on purpose' echo across the internet.
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I personally find this very hard to believe given my experiences but okay.There was a british localization expert doing a panel talk, and in part of it he detailed how the magazine he worked on at the time had maybe 10.000 subs, and that matched the number of VHS sales for a new anime around the same period for the region. At the same time, the numbers for hentai stuff was around 5 times that, so there was this association of anime being erotic by non-fans who just consumed the erotic content (even if you say those 10k anime fans all consumed the hentai, that still leaves those other 40k folks), but actual normal fans who watched all kinds of content were way fewer and would be drowned out by this perception that was generated by people who would themselves deny being anime fans, but because they were watching hentai in the closet it colored their perception of anime as a whole.
Nami is very much in the same boat.
Nami has B-cups during the Buggy and Airlong arcs. She eventually grew out more, and then after the 2 year timeskip and later became a hourglass bombshell, but if anything the actress they got portraying her is TOO curvy, not not curvy enough.
So yeah, basically the complainers are normies who have no clue about how Nami looked like in the early episodes, likely have only had any interaction with her from fanwork porn, and since the porn is likely both based on her later design and also exaggerating it for effect by itself, they are left unfulfilled by the actress.
As for Nami, I could buy the idea that her larger chest is simply a result of growing older and eating a lot more. Except Oda also did this design overhaul with Nico Robin who was 28 when she debuted, yet somehow got larger and rounder breasts in just two years.
Characters dating or having kids is not in the same ball park as almost comically large breasts and outfits designed entirely to show off a curvy, sexualized figure. Dragon Ball doesn't even show the characters who had kids engaging in sex. Leave Roshi out and it's mostly if not entirely wholesome in regards to how characters of opposite gender interact.
I'll give Oda some credit for body diversity but it's somewhat undercut by how often a conventionally unattractive woman is a villain or comic relief. You can almost always tell what role a female will serve based on how she is drawn.
Aren't there stories of people who went under the knife to make themselves look more like a fictional character people found attractive only for the results to turn out terrifying?
I can't imagine anyone can look at the girls of Dead or Alive with their dead, soulless eyes and practically frozen faces and think they would be attractive by human standards.
The alleged real world explanation is that Oda's wife told him to make Nami's boobs bigger. He met her when she was cosplaying Nami a couple years into One Piece's run, somewhere around the Alabasta arc, and she made comment to him that she wished Nami was chestier.
It's effectively canon in One Piece that people continue to grow much longer than in the real world. It's hard to iron out the details, because character sizes change constantly depending on what emotional effect Oda is going for, but many older characters are dramatically larger than both their children and their appearance in flashbacks. For an example, Big Mom grew an extra 8 feet taller between the ages of 28 and 68.
Once again, Dreiko is full of shit with his nonsense arguments where he shoots himself in the foot. If Gyrobot is the self-hating weaboo, then Dreiko is the weaboo that thinks/acts like he knows everything and downplays/ makes excuses for the negative/problematic parts of Japanese culture, or the anime/manga industry. One Piece may have not have started fan-service heavy, but that obviously changed. For those who want to know, I did read OP and watch the anime, but dropped both of them in 2008, because I knew the franchise was going to go on forever with no end goal in site.
While there is nothing inherently wrong with fan-service when done right, it's an issue when hardcore anime fans/"fans" are making either sexists or racists comments for not looking 1000% like "their waifu(s)" (you fuckers don't own them!). These sure as hell aren't the "normies" doing this. BTW Dreiko, before you start or try to make excuse with a "lol", I don't give a shit, most of your arguments are shit, and don't even try to respond to me, I won't be listening nor giving you extra attention for the excuses you pull out of your butt.
FTR, some of my favorite shows like New Cutie Honey and Kill La Kill have fan-service (and are heavier compared to One Piece), but at least have some restraint or are self-aware. That said, KLK even has its own creepy moments with Mako's dad (who is clearly at least 40) and her little brother (at least 10 or 11) ogling Ryuuko (17) any chance they get early on and midway into the series. All that is played for laughs, and it's some parts of the anime I do not like. Both characters stop this halfway into the series, but Gainax never should have bothered doing that in the first place. At least Honey is in her mid to late 20s in NCH (it's implied she's much older than that since it takes place after the original show) and early 20s in RE: Cutie Honey respectively.
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Is gotta be bad if even the Mormon church leader publicly distances themselves from one of their own.
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Mormon Church Denounces Tim Ballard’s “Morally Unacceptable” Activities
A church spokesperson tells VICE News that Ballard “betrayed his friendship” with a powerful leader, who “never authorized his name, or the name of the Church, to be used for Tim’s personal or financial interests.”
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Tim Ballard considers run for Senate amid renewed controversy
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said Friday it ‘never endorsed, supported or represented (Operation Underground Railroad), Tim Ballard or any projects associated with them’
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Oh, yeah, of course his next plan is a congressional run, lmao.
TIM BALLARD TESTIFIES BEFORE THE HOUSE HOMELAND SECURITY COMMITTEE ON WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 2023. SCREENCAPVIA.
Documents obtained by VICE News show anti-trafficking activist Tim Ballard claimed that a revered and powerful figure in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints played a secret, central role in Operation Underground Railroad, or OUR, the organization Ballard founded. Insiders who spoke to federal and local investigators as part of a since-closed criminal inquiry described Ballard claiming that OUR and his personal business ventures were backed by the senior member of the church’s second-highest leadership body, and part of a larger mission to use the anti-trafficking cause to bring Americans to the Mormon faith—or, in his words, “lead them to the covenant.”
“Tim is fully convinced that he is supposed to be the 'Mormon Messiah and lead people back to the church,’” read notes from an interview between criminal investigators and a former OUR higher-up.
But now a spokesperson for the church tells VICE News that while the apostle in question, President M. Russell Ballard, was once close to Tim Ballard—to whom he is not related, despite their sharing a last name—the OUR founder “betrayed their friendship, through the unauthorized use of President Ballard’s name for Tim Ballard’s personal advantage and activity regarded as morally unacceptable.”
A Famed Anti-Sex Trafficking Group Has a Problem With the Truth
Elder Ballard’s relationship with Tim Ballard is, the church spokesperson told VICE News, “in the past.” They did not specify what activity was regarded as morally unacceptable. Tim Ballard did not respond to a detailed request for comment; OUR provided a statement which is reproduced in full below.
The unusually public denunciation of Tim Ballard is particularly newsworthy at this moment. He left OUR earlier this year following an internal investigation into employee complaints about his conduct at virtually the same moment that Sound of Freedom, a fictionalized version of his purported child-rescuing exploits, became a surprise box office hit. He has since begun promoting a new anti-trafficking organization, the SPEAR Fund.
Trafficking Survivors and Advocates Are Being Harassed by ‘Sound of Freedom’ Fans
But he is also said by many Utah insiders to be weighing a run for Senate—speculation that was given more weight by a recent statement from Sean Reyes, the Utah attorney general, who’s also a longtime friend and supporter. (Reyes wrote that he would not be running for Senate, allowing “an opportunity for a dear friend of mine who is a great conservative, patriot, and warrior to run and serve as the next Senator from Utah.” Reyes said that person would announce their run in the coming days.)
The documents, obtained by VICE News through a public-records request, are from a now-closed criminal investigation into OUR conducted jointly by a Utah county attorney and the FBI. Several people, according to the documents, described exceptionally close ties between the two Ballards. Elder Ballard, who is in his 90s, is the Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, an extremely senior position within the church, and is viewed by faithful Mormons as a profound spiritual and moral authority. People familiar with OUR’s operations have previously told VICE News that Tim Ballard has sometimes claimed that Elder Ballard personally urged him to quit his previous job at Homeland Security Investigations to found OUR.
The ties between Tim Ballard and Elder Ballard described in the documents are numerous and occasionally bizarre, involving claimed business arrangements, blessings, and even a psychic who claimed to be able to communicate with the prophet Nephi, who according to the Book of Mormon has been dead for thousands of years. Allegations from a former OUR higher-up as well as text messages contained in the documents obtained by VICE News suggest that Tim Ballard and an associate represented Elder Ballard as a partner in a for-profit business called Slave Stealers, which was pitched as a way to control OUR and other non-profits. It was apparently viewed as part of a scheme that would allow Tim Ballard to monetize the notoriety he gained through his often exaggerated exploits.
Tim Ballard also claimed, according to the documents, that Elder Ballard maintained close contact with him during at least one disastrous overseas mission, which was based on information obtained by the psychic medium and aimed at rescuing a missing child. Ballard said the Mormon elder blessed him and his wife Katherine beforehand and received real-time updates from on the ground.
Inside a Massive Anti-Trafficking Charity's Blundering Overseas Missions
In response to a detailed request for comment on these matters, a spokesperson for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints sent a statement, which reads, in full:
In an email to Sean Reyes, the Utah attorney general, Troy Rawlings, a prosecutor in Davis County, Utah whose office carried out the now-closed investigation into OUR, wrote that he had “somewhere around 10,000 pages” of psychic readings. Those were conducted by Janet Russon, a psychic medium who “talks to dead Mormon leaders, particularly a Mormon Prophet from 600BC named Nephi, to get intel,” Rawlings wrote. (Russon declined to comment on her work with OUR when reached by VICE News; Rawlings did not respond to a request for comment.)
Rawlings made it clear that he thought donors to OUR would be dismayed by the idea that its paramilitary missions were guided by a psychic and a deceased Mormon prophet. “Donors are not made aware that Nephi, via Mr. [sic] Russon, is the key piece of O.U.R. Operational Intelligence,” he added.
Criminal investigators were interested in the nexus between Russon, Tim Ballard, and the church. One document VICE News obtained is a memo describing an interview between an FBI special agent and a Davis County investigator and a former OUR development director, whom we are not naming at her request. This person "said she had not heard that Janet was ever vetted or vouched for by the LDS church," the memo reads. "But stated Tim blurred lines and would frequently say, 'I told Elder Ballard all about it.'"
Further, according to the former development director’s statements to investigators, Tim Ballard claimed that Elder Ballard was involved in Liberty 89—a business in Utah whose registered agent is Tim Ballard, according to public filings. At a meeting with Tim Ballard and a group of his associates, who claimed to have “visions and special intelligence of the second coming,” the former development director said, she was made aware that this venture had to do with God calling Tim Ballard to “restore America to the covenant.”
"Tim was very verbal about Elder Russell Ballard's involvement,” she said. "Tim would say that M. Russell Ballard is a part of Liberty 89.”
That wasn’t the only time that Tim Ballard leaned on his friendship with Elder Ballard to suggest the Mormon leader had given his support to a project. Before the disastrous mission to locate Gardy Mardy (a missing boy whose story Tim Ballard and OUR have over the years made central to the narrative of their fight against trafficking) using intelligence gleaned from Russon, the psychic medium, Tim Ballard reported to a group of associates that Elder Ballard had blessed the operation.
"Through the whole process and all these miracles, I have reported back to Elder Ballard at least every month, sometimes more,” he said, according to an investigator’s transcript of a video recording of the meeting. “And on the way to the airport last night, I stopped by his house and Katherine and I spent about an hour with him. And he gave me a very powerful blessing." (Katherine is Tim Ballard’s wife.)
While the mission was going on, a witness told investigators, Tim Ballard placed at least one phone call to Elder Ballard “to plan the press release of rescuing Gardy.”
Other former OUR insiders had also gotten an earful from Tim Ballard about his ties to the Mormon power structure. According to one document, in October 2020 an FBI special agent named Luke (no last name provided) and Bryan Purdy, an investigator for the Davis County Attorney’s Office, interviewed Dave Lopez, a former Navy SEAL who previously led the “ops team” at OUR.
“Tim said multiple times, ‘It's his job to use the sizzle of the rescue to lead people back to the Mormon covenant,’” Lopez said, according to Purdy’s report. “Dave stated that according to Tim, that's what this is all about, that's why he's doing all the movies and all the storytelling. He believes the Mormon Church is actually doing that with him, that Elder (M. Russell) Ballard of the Mormon Church is working with him on that secret agenda. He believes that it's his job to be this famous kind of celebrity that gets everyone's attention, but then in turn leads everyone to Mormonism."
Lopez told investigators that Tim Ballard had developed a messianic view of himself. "Dave said he thinks Tim is fully convinced that he is supposed to be the 'Mormon Messiah and lead people back to the church,'" the report reads.
Lopez’s final break with OUR, he told investigators, came when an associate of Tim Ballard’s tried to persuade him to invest in Slave Stealers, which would, according to a diagram drawn by Tim Ballard on which VICE News has previously reported, control his various non-profits, which would then promote his personal brand. “Take sizzle of the rescue, lead them to the covenant,” read a note on the diagram—an apparent reference to a plan to use OUR’s highly-publicized child-rescue missions as a way to lead Americans to the Mormon faith.
A WHITEBOARD DRAWN BY TIM BALLARD IN 2019.
Text messages Lopez provided to investigators show an associate of Tim Ballard’s elaborating on the convoluted scheme. (VICE News is not naming the associate because he could not be reached for comment.) The texts stated that partners, including Elder Ballard, would control a for-profit entity that would have “main control of OUR”—and proposing to bring together, if necessary, Elder Ballard and a business partner of Lopez’s with whom he was planning an island development.
A DETAIL FROM AN INVESTIGATIVE RECORD OBTAINED BY VICE NEWS.
Slave Stealers did not, in the end, amount to much; nor, seemingly, did the plan to have it take control of OUR.
The relationship between the two Ballards, however, did not end there, according to the documents. In August 2021, Purdy, the Davis County investigator, and the FBI special agent referred to in documents only as Luke, interviewed the woman who worked as OUR’s director of development.
In that interview, the woman in question said in the 2015-2020 time frame, she repeatedly met Mormon leaders in Tim Ballard’s company. She said she met Elder Ballard, with whom Tim Ballard claimed to privately meet monthly, in the company of Tim Ballard and Elder Ronald Rasband, who within the church had authority over Haiti, an area in which OUR has operated extensively. She said had another meeting with both Ballards, and one with Rasband, Tim Ballard, and other OUR highers-up, as well as several meetings with Elder Ballard in the VIP area of OUR events.
(A church spokesperson indicated that Elder Rasband has no recollection of ever meeting with Tim Ballard or his staff.)
At a later point, the woman said that she was, in her official work capacity, brought to a meeting with Tim Ballard’s associates, where he told her that because she had “shared some spiritual things,” he could tell her about “secret things that I’m involved in.” This was the meeting at which Tim Ballard claimed Elder Ballard was involved in Liberty 89.
Per the report, the woman added that, according to Tim Ballard, “restoring America to the covenant was ‘a big mission of his (Tim)’ and he was ‘called’ of ‘God’ to do this. She added that he was, in Purdy’s retelling, “very verbal about Elder Russell Ballard’s involvement and behind it” but added “that she didn’t know if she believed that.”
For now, Ballard’s professional and political futures aren’t certain– but he has made ambitious efforts to move himself closer to a new power structure. On Wednesday, he testified before the House Foreign Affairs Committee, where he made a highly politicized statement about the Biden administration’s role in aiding human trafficking, one which proved immediately popular with right-wing news sites.
“Tragically, as a result of this administration’s current policies, [the Department of Homeland Security] and [the Department of Health and Human Services] have unwittingly become a child trafficking delivery service,” Ballard said, in part.
It’s difficult to imagine that Ballard could successfully run for elected office after being effectively denounced by the power structure of the most powerful religion in his home state. But he has proven himself, if nothing else, to be remarkably persistent, willing to reinvent himself—to spin new stories, to seek new allies—as many times as necessary.
In response to requests for comment about this story as well as another one, an OUR spokesperson sent one statement, which read as follows:
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Well, when you're around 14 or 15... you don't really look at their faces. Something you hopefully grow out of once puberty settles down.
To be honest, I don't see anything necessarily wrong with the Dead or Alive faces. It's not for me and that's fine - these characters exist for a very shallow reason, and are all but superfluous in the face of the many other hot but more interesting women in games. I don't really have a problem with oversized boobs or even chainmail bikini's either - anything can be cool or fun if handled correctly. But it shouldn't be the default, there should be room for everyone - let the plus-sized and musclular lovers have their chainmail bikini's and jockstraps too. Oh, and throw in some just regular not-supermodel looking ladies as well, without going absolutely apeshit.
Wild how a One Piece fan watching the show religiously every week for over two decades could be described as a "normie" for misremembering what the show looked like a lifetime ago.There was a british localization expert doing a panel talk, and in part of it he detailed how the magazine he worked on at the time had maybe 10.000 subs, and that matched the number of VHS sales for a new anime around the same period for the region. At the same time, the numbers for hentai stuff was around 5 times that, so there was this association of anime being erotic by non-fans who just consumed the erotic content (even if you say those 10k anime fans all consumed the hentai, that still leaves those other 40k folks), but actual normal fans who watched all kinds of content were way fewer and would be drowned out by this perception that was generated by people who would themselves deny being anime fans, but because they were watching hentai in the closet it colored their perception of anime as a whole.
Nami is very much in the same boat.
Nami has B-cups during the Buggy and Airlong arcs. She eventually grew out more, and then after the 2 year timeskip and later became a hourglass bombshell, but if anything the actress they got portraying her is TOO curvy, not not curvy enough.
So yeah, basically the complainers are normies who have no clue about how Nami looked like in the early episodes, likely have only had any interaction with her from fanwork porn, and since the porn is likely both based on her later design and also exaggerating it for effect by itself, they are left unfulfilled by the actress. Personally, Nami and Zoro look totally fine from that live action thing, Ussop looks weirdly effeminate and his nose is a foot shorter, and for some reason Luffy is a mexican now, but Nami is fine.
Not that I'm defending those weirdos, just saying that human perception is a *****
I was 10 when DOA2 came out on Dreamcast, and most of the faces and bodies weren't doing it for me. I knew they were attractive, but I wasn't super horny for them in my teenage years either. Though I always did find Kasumi cute.
This is why I always preferred Street Fighter. There was always fan-service, but not every woman or girl was made for fan-service, and the franchise was never afraid to have different body types for women. Sure, the men have more diverse body types than the women, but it still more than DOA, Tekken, or even Virtua Fighter.
Yeah, she's just wearing a bikini top, like all the time, it's just her outfit at some points. Think the dancer in dragon quest. In fact in the Arabasta arc I think she actually was dressed as a literal arabian belly dancer. It's not inherently sexual, is never mentioned outside of Sanji but Sanji fights everything hot anyways, and it's just part of Nami's persona as a confident temptress who will use anything to get an edge and make off with some coin, even her own body, which is the foundational aspect of her story arc growing up.
Again, like with the oversized proportions, out of context it may seem skimpy, but no, that's just Nami being Nami. If she's not being seductive that would stand out more, and by the first couple hundred episodes you're totally desensitized to it since nobody else notices it either in the world.
Like someone else said in a reply, if you make other apples to apples comparisons with anime aimed at this age range, one piece is way on the low end of the spectrum. And when you add all sorts of aged anime, it is way lower than that.
She was so desperate I can see her saving every coin in that treasure pile and barely feeding herself. And hey being malnourished is like the 30th worst thing of working with Airlong at that time.
Everything you're describing is sexualisation. Like textbook sexualisation.
So what? The fact that sexualisation is very common in the medium doesn't make a difference, and doesn't somehow make the lesser examples non-sexualised.
I'm a big anime fan. But I acknowledge oversexualisation is very common in it.
That's the problem with Dreiko: he tries to gaslight and convince himself, and many others, with arguments that either get shot in the foot or tries to act oblivious, while adding in something that has nothing to do with anything. He's been pulling the same shit since V1.
There are people that like C, B, and A-size breasts. I am not one of them, but then again I am not a woman, and that stuff likely fucks your back very hard.
"FUCKIN' PRONOUNS! FUCKIN' GENDER AMBIGUITY! FUCKIN' CURRENT DAY CALIFORNIAN SHIT!
I think that counts as a very funny event in anti woke world due to how pathetic it is.
I think that counts as a very funny event in anti woke world due to how pathetic it is.
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Am currently catching up on Taskmaster season 14, featuring the delightful Mae Martin, and damn, the profound morons who pop up in the youtube comments !
Can we skip to the era where these twats will have ceased to exist ?
Damn that current day shit in games made currently!
I mean, we could, but...
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